Proof of shady practices in medical admissions

[gringotuno]

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So, I'm a 2nd year med student and accidentially received an email that was intended to the dean of my medical school (our last names are similar). Interestingly enough, it was from "corporate relations"... and I guess i finally realized what "corporate relations" does. Here is the accidental email:

Dear Dean (of Medical School),



(Med School Applicant) has been brought to the attention of (Corporate Relations Employee) as an applicant to the School of Medicine because he has been waitlisted. [yes, the word waitlisted was underlined]



(Med School Applicant) is important to some key donors and alumni (including (One Major Donor)). We believe he will be extremely important in bringing further significant philanthropy and as a future alumni leader.



If there is anything that could put (Med School Applicant) toward the top of the waitlist, we would be most grateful.



Thank you for your time and consideration.


(Mrs. X)

Director of Corporate Relations

Does this rub anyone else the wrong way? I don't go to a top 25 medical school and I don't think that our quality as a medical school will improve by letting in lesser applicants. It's one thing to have such favoritism be clandestine (e.g. the application committee knows that an applicatnt is the child of faculty) but this seems somehow worse.

I forwarded the email to the dean and CCed the sender of the email. I made a point to let them know that I was the one that received the email and that I am a medical student.

Am I crazy or is this bullshi+?

 

[Shaz]

If this is real, then, yeah, I'm not suprised. We shouldn't be so naive: money really does run everything.

 

[docbill]

If this is real, then, yeah, I'm not suprised. We shouldn't be so naive: money really does run everything.

IT HAPPENS MORE OFTEN THAN YOU THINK. Imagine if your dad/mom was an important doctor in a Univerisity hospital (or just an average doc that knows the right person), he can go around and make sure you get in.

All the requirements in the world.. and bad GPA/MCAT/Interview etcc... can be over looked.

RE: that email.. wow.. you are going to be well known by the dean. And you should hope to go you don't get any more emails from the company insisting that they take you tongue away.

 

[sunny123]

Crazy bullsh*t, yes.

 

[reddirtgirl]

It'd be great if you can find a way to reply "as the dean" and mess w/ the sender... say something like "no effing way" or "these donations weren't enough- there's other applicants w/ even bigger donor connections; if they'd like to increase their donations for this year, you, the dean, will reconsider."

 

[docjolly]

Wow! That's really all I can say..

To the OP: Upon forwarding this email to the dean, did he/she send a response to you?
As a dean, I would personally feel embarassed to know that someone (particularly a student) is fully aware of my unethical practices..

 

[ocean11]

hi which med school is it? or what state? I'm so curious.........

 

[LSUwannabe]

The only surprising thing is some idiot emailed the "notice" to you...

I was told by one of my interviewers last year (late in the app year) that I failed to get in b/c two State Representatives children were moved ahead of me on the waitlist and thus admitted...

After reapplying I was admitted immediately w/o an interview but chose not to attend.

If you were responsible for funding would you pi$$ off a big alum donor or politician who might adversely affect finances? I doubt it.

It sucks but life's not always fair; ask any white male applicant in CA.

 

[lakersfan]

The only surprising thing is some idiot emailed the "notice" to you...

I was told by one of my interviewers last year (late in the app year) that I failed to get in b/c two State Representatives children were moved ahead of me on the waitlist and thus admitted...

After reapplying I was admitted immediately w/o an interview but chose not to attend.

If you were responsible for funding would you pi$$ off a big alum donor or politician who might adversely affect finances? I doubt it.

It sucks but life's not always fair; ask any white male applicant in CA.

What about if you are an Asian male in California...lol ?

 

[Ross434]

How is this unethical?? It seems like the university is just doing business, and, keeping its best interests in mind in selecting a future class. I mean, if i were choosing a class of incoming students, and i knew that some of them would end up donating a lot of money to my institution, i'd let them in first. come on! this is called BUSINESS. yes, sadly, its different from "healing"

 

[LVDoc]

How is this unethical?? It seems like the university is just doing business, and, keeping its best interests in mind in selecting a future class. I mean, if i were choosing a class of incoming students, and i knew that some of them would end up donating a lot of money to my institution, i'd let them in first. come on! this is called BUSINESS. yes, sadly, its different from "healing"

As much as medicine may be a business in itself, the acceptances should be based on merit, not money.

As an applicant or as someone who recently was admitted (I don't know which of the two you are), you should be a proponent for potential candidates, not for the school. Put yourself in a similar position, and then, remind yourself of what you would like to have had done in such a case. Would you be vouching for the school's decision when you knew that it would cost you a potential acceptance? Probably not.

 

[automaton]

if a student can pick a school based on money over merit then why can't a school? or do we just have double standards here?

 

[LauraMac]

if a student can pick a school based on money over merit then why can't a school? or do we just have double standards here?

i don't think it's a double standard, because what they did allows a possibly unqualified individual to become a doctor, while what we do just changes where we get our training.

 

[LabMonster]

I forwarded the email to the dean and CCed the sender of the email. I made a point to let them know that I was the one that received the email and that I am a medical student.

Am I crazy or is this bullshi+?

It's naive to believe this doesn't go on, but Holy **** - forwarding the email back? That took a couple o' brass ones - kudos 👍

 

[Furrball]

We should keep in mind that the Dean may say to no to this request. I've got an idea, forward the e-mail to the applicant. Even if this person does have invisible hands pulling strings they may have the good graces to feel embarassed if it becomes public knowledge. Of course there is the possibility that somebody with that kind of power may be completely oblivious to the fact that misuse of such power is morally sticky.

While such happenings may not be uncommon, it does not make it right. If such actions were correct then the school would loudly boast of its double standard. Most schools today say publicly that an applicant's family name does not carry weight in the application process. To say one thing and do something else becasue it is politically expedient is not PR spin, it is a lie.

How would you feel if this applicant's family connections made answers to tests available to him / her as a study aid? A very politically expedient maneuver, but students competing for hard to acquire residencies, e.g. ortho, might have an issue with this. It really would not effect those of us in the middle.

For those of you with more flexible difinitions of morality who question why the rest of us have taken issue with a clear cut -- if true -- case of nepotism and deceit; the reason for our being upset is this. Many of us would prefer to live and work in a meritocracy not beneath an aristocracy.

 

[gringotuno]

It's naive to believe this doesn't go on, but Holy **** - forwarding the email back? That took a couple o' brass ones - kudos 👍

I haven't heard back from the dean yet... but I got a very brief email from the origional sender in Corporate Relations... just saying thanks for forwarding it to the appropriate person. Nothing more. I hope they are sweating bullets due to their major error.

Since I have no proof that my Dean actually gives any weight to such a request, is there anything I can do to voice my objection to such practices within my medical school? Any suggestions?

Thanks you all. Although some may think that "such is life"... I don't like favoritism in any form. And, although it may be inevitable, I would like to at least fight to have such blatant tactics be thought as unethical.

 

[LSUwannabe]

What about if you are an Asian male in California...lol ?

You know what I meant...I think. 😉

Maybe Asian males have it bad; maybe it's Asian male conjoined hermaphrodites that have the toughest time...

The point I was trying to make was that the app process isn't fair for many individuals...and ISN'T always based on merit alone. Race/gender/whatever are certainly considered as well.

 

[Furrball]

I haven't heard back from the dean yet... but I got a very brief email from the origional sender in Corporate Relations... just saying thanks for forwarding it to the appropriate person. Nothing more. I hope they are sweating bullets due to their major error.

Since I have no proof that my Dean actually gives any weight to such a request, is there anything I can do to voice my objection to such practices within my medical school? Any suggestions?

Thanks you all. Although some may think that "such is life"... I don't like favoritism in any form. And, although it may be inevitable, I would like to at least fight to have such blatant tactics be thought as unethical.

Make an appointment with your Dean, put a suit on and go see him or her, then voice your concern.

 

[LSUwannabe]

... but I got a very brief email from the origional sender in Corporate Relations... just saying thanks for forwarding it to the appropriate person. Nothing more. I hope they are sweating bullets due to their major error.

I hope they're sweating bullets too but will wager they couldn't care less. In the end, the email was merely suggestive.

Since I have no proof that my Dean actually gives any weight to such a request, is there anything I can do to voice my objection to such practices within my medical school? Any suggestions?

Thanks you all. Although some may think that "such is life"... I don't like favoritism in any form. And, although it may be inevitable, I would like to at least fight to have such blatant tactics be thought as unethical.

I don't think anyone likes favoritism or nepotism or any combination of anything unfair.

Many (including myself) have assumed that the Dean will act on this notice which may not be the case. I've always thought it was possible "political" efforts might actually HURT an applicant's chances.

My attitude when I essentially got bumped (at least after the initial wave of pissitivity) was that I should've made better grades thus avoided being on "the bubble."

Life isn't perfect and I don't expect medical school to be either. If a few applicants get screwed and are forced to reapply for the benifit of the medical school then I can live with it. Maybe that's overly altruistic.

Then again, I believe many qualified applicants do not immediately gain acceptance...when you're talking about the last few spots at ANY medical school aren't the applicants all likely similarly qualified (both those offered spots and the ones that aren't)?

 

[diosa428]

This situation is (maybe somewhat) related, and is really bothering me - I have a friend who's currently applying to medical schools. She applied to over 20 schools, got interviews at 3 and waitlisted at all of them. She has an average MCAT, and a (considerably) below average GPA, but has some research and volunteer/clincial experience. She was interviewed at a top tier school b/c her dad went there and they interview all children of alumni. She has since been placed on the "top of tier I" waitlist for that school. This really irritates me, because if her dad wasn't an alum, there's no way this school would have ever considered her (many non-top tier schools didn't even invite her to interview). Of course, it's just jealousy b/c neither of my parents went to medical school and I have that advantage absolutely NOWHERE, but it also makes me respect this school considerably less.

 

[medic170]

How is this unethical?? It seems like the university is just doing business, and, keeping its best interests in mind in selecting a future class. I mean, if i were choosing a class of incoming students, and i knew that some of them would end up donating a lot of money to my institution, i'd let them in first. come on! this is called BUSINESS. yes, sadly, its different from "healing"

I agree with you.

 

[medic170]

i don't think it's a double standard, because what they did allows a possibly unqualified individual to become a doctor, while what we do just changes where we get our training.

If the individual is unqualified, he will NOT become a doctor. Remember, getting in does not make you a doctor, you still have to pass school, pass the boards, get a residency etc. How on earth does it let an unqualified person become a doctor? What it does do is allows the people at the school to get better training becasue they will be getting a lot more money donated to them, and no I was not let in by this method, I am poor and I earned it, but I really see nothing wrong with a school giving someone a chance in order to get donations. If they pass the Boards, then they ARE QUALIFIED TO BE A DOCTOR! That is the way the world works, people sometimes have to look out for their self interests.

 

[f_w]

Be careful with whatever you do. This email, whatever shady content it had, was not intended for you, and you gained knowledge of it by accident. Replying to the original sender and intended recipient was a good idea, printing it into the student newsletter wouldn't.

If you are up to it (that thing with the brass things), ask for an appointment with the dean and ask him WHY one of his underlings believes it to be appropriate to make such a request/demand. Express your concern about this attempt to corrupt the admissions process etc. but refrain from any personal accusations towards the dean.
If he has any ethics he will be embarrassed (or at least act so) and issue a memo indicating that 'anyone becoming aware of attempts by donors and alumni to influence the admissions process should report it to him'.

 

[phoenixsupra]

I'm guessing the "email" is a fake. But, yes, of course this kind of thing happens. All the time. Technically it's unethical. And a quite a few substandard candidates get into the system that way. The biggest boobs in my class are legacy kids who really should never have gotten through the door. But it's standard practice. Medicine is a bussiness and at times a shady one. Deal with it.

 

[automaton]

wow when did med school admissions become about meritocracy? adcoms "reward" whoever they want to reward, not whoever is the most deserving of a spot. whatever happened to accepting certain students because they're more likely to serve in certain areas or with certain groups? is that meritocracy? isn't being born to a certain person of some merit as well? or do we choose not to define it that way because it offends our sensibilities?

 

[medic170]

wow when did med school admissions become about meritocracy? adcoms "reward" whoever they want to reward, not whoever is the most deserving of a spot. whatever happened to accepting certain students because they're more likely to serve in certain areas or with certain groups? is that meritocracy? isn't being born to a certain person of some merit as well? or do we choose not to define it that way because it offends our sensibilities?

Another point, I was born in Michigan, and I lived here my whole life. I got in, and I am attending MSUCHM, a state funded school..i.e. the school gets money from my state. Guess what, the school gave preference to students from Michigan. In fact, they only let 20% of the class be out of state. So, I guess I did sort of get accepted under similar terms.

 

[Aero047]

Yes, it is unethical, and it really is a shame that everything in life really just boils down to money. Call me naive, but I was hoping that medicine and education would be the two things which would've stayed immune from the corruption of money and power. Yes, I call it corruption because that is exactly what is going on here. Schools are accepting students because of MONEY, not because of their passion, not because of their intelligence, but their money! What happens to the disadvantaged student who puts their sweat, blood, and heart into their work with the same GPA as the student who has connections? Nothing. He is denied the opportunity to a great education simply because he doesn't have the green.

 

[f_w]

> Call me naive

You are so naive !

(hope that helps)

 

[f_w]

> another point, I was born in Michigan, and I lived here my whole life.
> I got in, and I am attending...

So you where the one who bumped that blondie out of the AA lawschool (who later pushed this bogus suit all the way to the supreme court). Shame on you !

 

[medic170]

> another point, I was born in Michigan, and I lived here my whole life.
> I got in, and I am attending...

So you where the one who bumped that blondie out of the AA lawschool (who later pushed this bogus suit all the way to the supreme court). Shame on you !

What are you talking about? What is the AA law school? You lost me 😕

 

[medic170]

What happens to the disadvantaged student who puts their sweat, blood, and heart into their work with the same GPA as the student who has connections? Nothing. He is denied the opportunity to a great education simply because he doesn't have the green.

Well, that describes my situation pretty well, and I may not have gotten into harvard, I am still going to med school, so I do not see where your logic applies. I know plent of underpriveledged people who got in. there are not that many legacy people out there. Again, using my state school example, why is it unethical to do this? Nobody who truly works that hard is going to be denied admissions somewhere. Now, If my mommy and daddy were rich, i could have had more time to study and got into Harvard, but that is life. At some point, the other guy;s parents, or grandparents ect. worked harder than mine did to get more money, so they had an edge over me.

 

[LSUwannabe]

What happens to the disadvantaged student who puts their sweat, blood, and heart into their work with the same GPA as the student who has connections? Nothing. He is denied the opportunity to a great education simply because he doesn't have the green.

Forgive my frankness but I think this is a bunch of crap. The disadvantaged student has plenty of opportunities, often more than the "advantaged."

We're essentially hypothetically discussing whether a few individuals are likely accepted at medical schools due to something other than credentials/suitability for the profession. The plain answer is yes; rich and poor alike.

Again, when you're talking about the students taking the last few spots at most ANY school their credentials are likely all relatively mediocre.

If you want to make sure you don't get screwed make good grades (or get a Masters if the damage is done-like me), study for the MCAT, volunteer/research, etc.

Besides, reapplying or going DO or going to the Caribbean isn't the end of the world...if it's what you really want to do.

 

[ice_23]

wow when did med school admissions become about meritocracy? adcoms "reward" whoever they want to reward, not whoever is the most deserving of a spot. whatever happened to accepting certain students because they're more likely to serve in certain areas or with certain groups? is that meritocracy? isn't being born to a certain person of some merit as well? or do we choose not to define it that way because it offends our sensibilities?

Lots of medical schools, especially upper tier medical schools, claim to be "need blind". If they consider an applicant's "ability to donate in the future" as a positive in admissions then it's disingenuous to claim they are "need blind" and allow poorer students to think they have an equal shot despite their poverty.

-Ice

 

[f_w]

> What is the AA law school? You lost me

This was an admittedly somewhat oblique reference to the supreme court case where some blondie sued the University of Michigan law school in Ann Arbor claiming that they denied her admission bc she wasn't black enough. As a result she couldn't pursue a law career and now suffers from loss of conjugal pleasure (the case was kind of stupid bc some other UMich law school offered her admission that year and she didn't take it. Also, she and her financial backers never explained why she didn't apply the next year)

 

[superdevil]

This situation is (maybe somewhat) related, and is really bothering me - I have a friend who's currently applying to medical schools. She applied to over 20 schools, got interviews at 3 and waitlisted at all of them. She has an average MCAT, and a (considerably) below average GPA, but has some research and volunteer/clincial experience. She was interviewed at a top tier school b/c her dad went there and they interview all children of alumni. She has since been placed on the "top of tier I" waitlist for that school. This really irritates me, because if her dad wasn't an alum, there's no way this school would have ever considered her (many non-top tier schools didn't even invite her to interview). Of course, it's just jealousy b/c neither of my parents went to medical school and I have that advantage absolutely NOWHERE, but it also makes me respect this school considerably less.

hmmmmm...sounds like your friend applied to UPenn, by the way you phrased that. in case some of you don't know or can't remember, allow me to remind you of Penn's secondary application:

Question 1: Do you have parents who are Penn Med alumni or faculty?

Question 2: Send us $65.




dicks.

 

[scootad.]

I dont see anything unethical about this.

This applicant was on the waitlist on his/her own merit. I believe once you have made it to the waitlist you are worthy of acceptance, then its just a matter of numbers (the school not having enough spots).

If you dont think most people on waitlists (at least the successful ones) dont do everything in their power to manipulate the situation to get them off the waitlist (such as harassing the admissions officers w/ constant letters and phone calls, using any connection they have, etc.) you are a total *****!

 

[Furrball]

If the individual is unqualified, he will NOT become a doctor. Remember, getting in does not make you a doctor, you still have to pass school, pass the boards, get a residency etc. How on earth does it let an unqualified person become a doctor? What it does do is allows the people at the school to get better training becasue they will be getting a lot more money donated to them, and no I was not let in by this method, I am poor and I earned it, but I really see nothing wrong with a school giving someone a chance in order to get donations. If they pass the Boards, then they ARE QUALIFIED TO BE A DOCTOR! That is the way the world works, people sometimes have to look out for their self interests.

Now that is naive. One of my wife's friends was accepted to a prestigious medical school in the South because her father was a tenured professor. She was a marginal student as an undergrad, she was a worse than marginal student in med school and was passed through because of who her father was. Somehow she passed the boards and is now a PCP. Would you want your parents seeing this person for primary care!?

Let's be honest. If the admissions comittee does its job properly then the only truly hard thing about med school is getting in. I've worked hard and I am very happy with where I matched but I worked a lot harder as an undergrad biochemistry major long before I ever thought about medical school. Passing the boards is a very low bar to measure people by. All passing means is that a person is minimally qualified.

At many med schools, once a person has gotten an interview the fact of their minimal qualification has been established. The interview is more a process to see if a.) a person matches up to what their application says and b.) are they the kind of person that the medical school wants to have. Getting the interview is based on a person's merit. After that personality, motive, connections, race, sex, future area of practice come into play and rightly so. But the key point is a person has to have the minimal level of apptitude to get that interview and that should be based on merit, not bank account size.

For those of you who do not see a problem ask yourself this. How would you feel if you were the one who did not get that residency you want because somebody else's parent's and family had a lot of money and bought a position? How bitter and angry would your posts be on this board?

 

[medic170]

Now that is naive. One of my wife's friends was accepted to a prestigious medical school in the South because her father was a tenured professor. She was a marginal student as an undergrad, she was a worse than marginal student in med school and was passed through because of who her father was. Somehow she passed the boards and is now a PCP. Would you want your parents seeing this person for primary care!?

Let's be honest. If the admissions comittee does its job properly then the only truly hard thing about med school is getting in. I've worked hard and I am very happy with where I matched but I worked a lot harder as an undergrad biochemistry major long before I ever thought about medical school. Passing the boards is a very low bar to measure people by. All passing means is that a person is minimally qualified.

At many med schools, once a person has gotten an interview the fact of their minimal qualification has been established. The interview is more a process to see if a.) a person matches up to what their application says and b.) are they the kind of person that the medical school wants to have. Getting the interview is based on a person's merit. After that personality, motive, connections, race, sex, future area of practice come into play and rightly so. But the key point is a person has to have the minimal level of apptitude to get that interview and that should be based on merit, not bank account size.

For those of you who do not see a problem ask yourself this. How would you feel if you were the one who did not get that residency you want because somebody else's parent's and family had a lot of money and bought a position? How bitter and angry would your posts be on this board?

If she passed the Boards, she is at least competent. Unless her family paid off the licensing boards too.

 

[ptolemy]

For those of you who do not see a problem ask yourself this. How would you feel if you were the one who did not get that residency you want because somebody else's parent's and family had a lot of money and bought a position? How bitter and angry would your posts be on this board?

Yes, I would be pissed as hell, but first, you would never really know this, and second, this is a fact of life. As has been said previously, money makes the world go round, and nepitism is a part of life. I would be pissed, but I think I would also understand the PD/ad com would almost have to accept that person(or company if it was for a job, etc b/c it happens everywhere not just medicine -look at Kofi Annan). You can't change the world in one fell swoop. it happens, accept it and move on. You're going to have to learn to play within the system- ie. hospital politics, insurance companies etc. this is just one example. Most people in medicine are too isolated and too idealistic. This is not that big of a deal.

 

[criminallyinane]

I think you're nuts for airing your school's dirty laundry on the internet. Since you replied back to the Dean, they know you know about the email and it wouldn't be hard AT ALL to find this post and figure out who you are... in which case you would be promptly given a permanent home in the Dean's **** list. Be careful.

 

[gringotuno]

I think you're nuts for airing your school's dirty laundry on the internet. Since you replied back to the Dean, they know you know about the email and it wouldn't be hard AT ALL to find this post and figure out who you are... in which case you would be promptly given a permanent home in the Dean's **** list. Be careful.

Whatever... I say bring it on! If the Dean wants to make THIS an issue, I say good tidings. I have not left any identifiable data relating to my school or my Dean. Hey, this is exactly why these forums exist... to bounce ideas off of other people. I wanted to see if others out there thought that this situation was sketchy... and a good portion of you all did. I'm not saying that this is really that different that other known forms of favoritism... i'm just saying that I have proof that it exists. I don't think that favoritism in any form is right... but, the only way I can do anything about it is with my own actions in life.

Maybe my goal in life should be to try and counteract this inequality. Anyone with me in keeping the rich kids down? Legislation making it illegal for kids of faculty to apply to medical school? I like the sound of that!

 

[ptolemy]

Maybe my goal in life should be to try and counteract this inequality. Anyone with me in keeping the rich kids down? Legislation making it illegal for kids of faculty to apply to medical school? I like the sound of that!

man are you bitter.. give me a break get a real cause.

and no, I have no parents anywhere remotely close to the medical field.

 

[NRAI2001]

How much do u think a person would have to "donate" to get in (just wondering,not planning to do it)?

 

[gringotuno]

man are you bitter.. give me a break get a real cause.

and no, I have no parents anywhere remotely close to the medical field.

Settle down, sparky. It was a joke. I just felt your "concern" for the possibility of my being outed was a little much... I made the disclosure in SDN, not the New York Times.

Nonetheless, I still don't think that such obvious methods of influence should exist. And, "at the end of the day", the one person who most likely is worthy of criticism is the punk who is on the waitlist. The most likely scenario is that the applicant made a conscious point to pass on his status to his "family friend" and that family friend started this sleezy process. If the "Major Donor" had really been interested in this kid's application, the donor would have pulled these strings long ago or maybe sent a letter of recomendation on his behalf. Trying to get these wheels greased this late in the process says to me that the "donor" really didn't care all that much about the applicant. So, assuming my scenario is true, the kid who can't get in to med school is the one most worthy of shame.

And, I don't have any parents in the medical field either. I guess we both are nobodys.

 

[laurafinn]

This kind of thing happens at selective schools at all education levels, from preschools on up. It is not confined to your med school. This is just the way the Admissions game is played by those with the power to do so.

 

[lakersfan]

You know what I meant...I think. 😉

Maybe Asian males have it bad; maybe it's Asian male conjoined hermaphrodites that have the toughest time...

The point I was trying to make was that the app process isn't fair for many individuals...and ISN'T always based on merit alone. Race/gender/whatever are certainly considered as well.

Haha, I knew what you were trying to make a case about. It's very unfair for a lot of people but I'm not gonna sit here and complain since life is unfair in many regards...it's what you make out of what is given to you.

 

[lakersfan]

How much do u think a person would have to "donate" to get in (just wondering,not planning to do it)?

I dunno ... but if I do become succesful, I plan on making some hefty donations to U$C, lol.

I would guess maybe 10k a year? I really have no idea.

 

[ucsb101]

my friend got into a med school cuz his dad graduated from there and his uncle works at the school and knew people on the admissions commitee. They simply told him to apply "early" like in july/august and he got in. It was the only school that he applied to. He did have a 3.5 and a 30 on the mcat though. The year later his bro got in to the same medical school with a 25!!! (this was a private school and i guess at those school **** like this happens)

 

[calcrew14]

Any school can do it any way she may see fit as long as all applicants are given the same chance to take shot at it. If it is $ then put seats on for auction. Applicants who enjoy any merit based on alumnus factor should reveal it to other schools that they apply to. You all know what I am talking about. Otherwise, the lists of matriculants who receive special treatment should be available for public review... You all figure out the rest.

 

[kikkoman]

How is this unethical?? It seems like the university is just doing business, and, keeping its best interests in mind in selecting a future class. I mean, if i were choosing a class of incoming students, and i knew that some of them would end up donating a lot of money to my institution, i'd let them in first. come on! this is called BUSINESS. yes, sadly, its different from "healing"

Man, you must be the biggest douche in the universe.

I haven't seen you contribute a single thought above and beyond a dogmatic view of the moral virtue of raw market economics. You gotta get some empathy dude.

Ross434, the bigggeesstttt douuuccchhheeee in the uuuunnnnniiiiverrrrrrseeeee!!!!