PSLF is in big trouble

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Good WSJ article about the program and how much of a mess it is. An "expert" was quoted in the article saying something to the extent about rich kids with masters degrees and future doctors taking advantage of the program and how that goes against the intent of the program. Best of luck to anyone pursuing this repayment route.

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Yeah...no one should bank on getting their student loans forgiven through the PSLF. 99% of the people who think they are going through all of the necessary hoops for student loan forgiveness end up being denied. In addition, Trump's preliminary budget proposal for the next fiscal year eliminates the PSLF program in its entirety. (Maybe this is another good reason not to pay $74K per year in tuition & fees at Midwestern.)

Education Department rejects vast majority of applicants for temporary student loan forgiveness program



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Sad to see so many people on forums here and on WCI saying they're going for PSLF as if it were going to just happen magically; POOF! Like you said, don't count on it.

Great example of the government getting involved in something it had no business being involved with in the first place.

What is worrisome to me is that this gives more ammo to lefties like Bernie and Warren to say, "the system's broken and working against you, blah blah blah...vote for me and I'll forgive your debt in one swoop". Sounds great right now, however young physicians will get their faces ripped off with these "deals". First by Socialized Medicine (BernieCare), second by the increase in taxes on all the rich folks making over $250K.

It's not difficult to pay the debt off once you're an attending if you save the cars, boat, expensive and multiple homes, Soho House membership, MET Galas & Fundraisers, and/or a second spouse after being an attending for 5 years and aggressively paying down debt.
 
Good WSJ article about the program and how much of a mess it is. An "expert" was quoted in the article saying something to the extent about rich kids with masters degrees and future doctors taking advantage of the program and how that goes against the intent of the program. Best of luck to anyone pursuing this repayment route.

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So the ratio isn't getting better over time. Good update. Looks like they are getting backlogged also. I would bet even if you do get approved, it will take years beyond your ten year period. And if they decide your denied in the interim, you owe all that built up 'deference' while you were waiting.
 
Doctors should not qualify for PSLF. Honestly, there are so many other programs out there for us it's really not useful and IS a misuse of the program.

However, lawyers, teachers, social workers, nonprofit workers, federal workers etc. are getting royally screwed and it is absolutely unfair. These are people doing good work for the nation and society as a whole and they are being denied left and right for pretty bogus reasons.

Yeah...no one should bank on getting their student loans forgiven through the PSLF. 99% of the people who think they are going through all of the necessary hoops for student loan forgiveness end up being denied. In addition, Trump's preliminary budget proposal for the next fiscal year eliminates the PSLF program in its entirety. (Maybe this is another good reason not to pay $74K per year in tuition & fees at Midwestern.)

Bold is it exactly. People have been working relatively low income jobs with massive debt for as long as a decade now for the benefit of the country and are being screwed.

Absolute disgrace.
 
Doctors should not qualify for PSLF. Honestly, there are so many other programs out there for us it's really not useful and IS a misuse of the program.

Disagree with this. If a newly minted attending decides to stay in academia or work for some non-profit organization in a rural area or inner city and render their services at likely a significant discount and deliver care to citizens who lack access to it, the new attendings deserve the opportunity to have their high debt load forgiven.

I'd rather bet on myself and work hard in private practice or large employer and live like a resident a handful of years after leaving residency than bet on my "rich Uncle Sam" coming to my rescue and paying my ballooning debt obligation.
 
Disagree with this. If a newly minted attending decides to stay in academia or work for some non-profit organization in a rural area or inner city and render their services at likely a significant discount and deliver care to citizens who lack access to it, the new attendings deserve the opportunity to have their high debt load forgiven.

I'd rather bet on myself and work hard in private practice or large employer and live like a resident a handful of years after leaving residency than bet on my "rich Uncle Sam" coming to my rescue and paying my ballooning debt obligation.

You make a fair point, and I agree with your addendum. However, if it came down to keeping the program at the cost of doctors no longer qualifying, there are other careers that need PSLF much more.
 
When the least paid specialty in medicine make around 200k/year, it’s hard to argue that doctors really need forgiveness on their loans. Not everyone can visualize the sacrifice it takes for the medical profession, but everyone can do a quick search to see emergency medicine docs making 350k/year complaining about not being able to pay off their 400k loan.
 
When the least paid specialty in medicine make around 200k/year, it’s hard to argue that doctors really need forgiveness on their loans. Not everyone can visualize the sacrifice it takes for the medical profession, but everyone can do a quick search to see emergency medicine docs making 350k/year complaining about not being able to pay off their 400k loan.

That depends a lot on your circumstances. If you have no family support or prexisitng assets, that means a lot of loans.

Loans for undergrad = $80k
Post-Bacc = $15k
Attending 5x Interviews + Application Fees = $4k
I had a job that paid 50k gross out of college (40k net) during my post-bacc, so I made back $15k that year after living expenses.

Before even starting medical school I'm in the hole ~$80k from loans and interest.

Loans for medical school living frugally off campus = $65k/year + interest. Over 4 years I will owe ~$300k from medical school and ~$90k from undergrad.
I enter residency $390k in debt with an interest rate between 5.05% and 7.6%. At 6%, that's ~$2k per month interest alone.

If I'd stayed at my $50k/year job and earned the 5% a year raise, I would have $170k net over 4 years.

So, the day I start residency, I will be $560k and 4 years behind the me that didn't pursue medicine with an interest rate of $2k/month just to hold my loans at the amount they are.

$200k salary means $128k take home. If I live off $40k/year, my loans are paid off in 5 years. If you count the money I would have made had I not gone into medicine, I would be even in ~7 years. So after 4 years of medical school, 3 years of residency and 7 years as a physician living off less than what I would have made with a bachelors I am on equal financial footing with 26 year old me. I am now 40.

This makes it difficult to choose primary care even if I want to. It makes it even more difficult to choose academic medicine where pay can range down to $150k. The latter would add another 3 years before I am financially even with 26 year old me.
 
However, lawyers, teachers, social workers, nonprofit workers, federal workers etc. are getting royally screwed and it is absolutely unfair. These are people doing good work for the nation and society as a whole and they are being denied left and right for pretty bogus reasons.

I have nothing to add except that I could not agree more!!!!!!!!!
 
I don't think the program is going to go anywhere for those currently making payments or who have already taken out federal loans. Itll likely get axed for new borrowers at some point. Also the reason alot of these people were rejected is because they took out the wrong type of loan. Things werent clear 10 years ago and few people actually took out the correct type of loan back then. Many of us now know which type of loan we can take out to qualify. I expect acceptances to go up over time.

However, Fedloan servicing are a bunch of *****s. They are so backlogged they couldnt even count my qualifying payments in 9 months time. I put in a request in august 2018....Still waiting to hear back. So, I fully expect it to take several years after the 10 year mark for them to actually get their **** together (and count to 120, hard stuff there!) to grant forgiveness.
 
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I don't think the program is going to go anywhere for those currently making payments or who have already taken out federal loans. Itll likely get axed for new borrowers at some point. Also the reason alot of these people were rejected is because they took out the wrong type of loan. Things werent clear 10 years ago and few people actually took out the correct type of loan back then. Many of us now know which type of loan we can take out to qualify. I expect acceptances to go up over time.

However, Fedloan servicing are a bunch of *****s. They are so backlogged they couldnt even count my qualifying payments in 9 months time. I put in a request in august 2018....Still waiting to hear back. So, I fully expect it to take several years after the 10 year mark for them to actually get their **** together (and count to 120, hard stuff there!) to grant forgiveness.
In our promissory note PSFL is a a guaranteed option for those of us already in school, but the amount isn’t guaranteed. Around here the prevailing thought is that they’ll do something like cap it at 50k.
 
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