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This suggests that residency time will not count at all.
Many residency programs are associated with non-profit medical centers. However, as aPD alluded to, there doesn't seem to be anything stopping the government from simply deciding that postgraduate medical education doesn't count.Isn't residency 503c? Nevertheless. Troubling.
I still don't see where people are getting this.This suggests that residency time will not count at all.
I still don't see where people are getting this.
The issue the DOE has is retroactively looking at people employed not by 503(c)1 or the government, but things like the ABA, a 506(c)6. That is, as long as you work for either a non-profit or the government, which the vast majority of residencies are, there's no ambiguity here.
They could do a completely separate change looking at residencies, but that is not even implied in the current "controversy".
Residents are employees. Otherwise we'd be exempt from social security taxes across the board (which we aren't). Federal government is very clear about this. The department of the treasury states "that in all cases 'the services of a full-time employee are not incident to and for the purpose of pursuing a course of study' and specifies that residents working more than 40 hours per week are categorically ineligible for the student exemption." and this was upheld by SCOTUS in 2011. There was a little ambiguity prior to that regulation in 2005 with the student/employee question but that shouldn't apply to anyone currently in residency or participating in PSLF (which came about in 2007).Are residents actually employees of the hospital? Or is the training program a different legal entity affiliated with the hospital? Also are residents really employees at all? I thought they were some kind of special non employee trainee, and that's why they don't qualify for overtime pay or other employee protections.
During my TRI year at a county hospital, I was a county employee (pay checks were from the County, there was some sort of special retirement program, etc). My IM residency is through a large Florida for-profit chain and I'm employee of them. My health insurance options are the same, I qualify for employee stock purchase program (ESPP) the same as the other employees, and my 401k is the same as the other employees (albeit since we start in July and end in June, I'll have an extra year of vestment). Unfortunately, since I'm an employee of the hospital and not the consortium, I'm currently not getting time towards PSLF.Are residents actually employees of the hospital? Or is the training program a different legal entity affiliated with the hospital? Also are residents really employees at all? I thought they were some kind of special non employee trainee, and that's why they don't qualify for overtime pay or other employee protections.