Psychiatry...does it make you ''different''?

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So I have always had a deep interest in psychiatry and so did an older doctor than is now a nephrologist. Unfortunately after doing her rotation she found is was not for her while dismissing most of the psychiatrist's as ''somewhat off''.

Even tough i am aware that she made an unfair generalization, psychiatry still seems to be seen by many as the ''weirdo'' speciality. Does interacting with people with mental issues truly have such a dramatic effect on one's personality and outlook on life ?

\As you proceed through psych residency do you lose sense with normality? Do you ever stop analyzing people when you come home?

I do not mean to offend anyone with these questions...and yes I know i should shadow and see for myself, but i believe this should make for interesting discussion.
 
So I have always had a deep interest in psychiatry and so did an older doctor than is now a nephrologist. Unfortunately after doing her rotation she found is was not for her while dismissing most of the psychiatrist's as ''somewhat off''.

Even tough i am aware that she made an unfair generalization, psychiatry still seems to be seen by many as the ''weirdo'' speciality. Does interacting with people with mental issues truly have such a dramatic effect on one's personality and outlook on life ?

\As you proceed through psych residency do you lose sense with normality? Do you ever stop analyzing people when you come home?

I do not mean to offend anyone with these questions...and yes I know i should shadow and see for myself, but i believe this should make for interesting discussion.

Short answer.... nope.

People are just not comfortable with the mentally ill and therefore not comfortable with psychiatrists in general. Many aren't even sure what do psychiatrists do and some did less than 2 weeks rotations of psychiatry in their overseas medical school... so you really cant blame their lack of knowledge.
 
I've met more than a few psychiatrists who seem "off." I've also met more than a few surgeons who seem slightly clumsy.

You're more likely to notice these things because of knowing what these people do for a living. Objectively, I think you get weirdo's in any specialty, it just seems more prevalent in psychiatry because folks are looking for it.
 
I hope I'm "different" because I'm a psychiatrist. I hope that because of what I do every day, what I'm a "Board-Certified Expert" in, that I'm more attuned to nuances of human behavior, more insightful about relationships, more thoughtful about how our social influences mold our character.

OTOH--maybe I was drawn to psych because I was already a little bit that way...

I'm celebrating five years (already!) this month working with one of the nicest collections of "normal" people I know. There's a few quirks there, of course. They know that I'm grumpy and caffeine addicted, for example, and that I worry too much about my kids. I know who is a little excessively detail-oriented, who is a mite hypervigilant about oversight, who is a little lacking in social conversation skills. Truth is, we would have all been this way before becoming psychiatrists. But it beats wearing bowties and sticking tubes up people's butts! 😀
 
Though I'm clearly biased, and also it's problematic to make generalizations, I've noticed a good deal more personality pathology in specialties like Ob-Gyn, Emergency Medicine and Surgery than in Psychiatry. This may just be specific to where I train, where it seems that the psychiatrists are a pretty high-functioning bunch. Perhaps it is less so at institutions that attract people who go into psychiatry because they could not get into the above-named specialties.
 
Are some psychiatrists "off" to the point where it's common to expect this?

Yes--kinda, sorta and no.

IMHO any field of medicine is going to make doctors different--to an extreme that may be bothersome. I've noticed several surgeons and Ob-gyn doctors appear to have narcissistic traits and a little obsessive compulsive personality disorder traits. That's not all of them, there are plenty of friendly ones etc. However, IMHO, the extreme of the training and the hard hours for several years does change a personality, and several change into a person who is more irritable and fits the above description.

I've also noticed that the field does appear to attract people with more mental health issues. Several fields do this on a parallel basis. E.g. someone I know who had childhood cancer wants to become a pediatric oncologist.

Is that bad? Not really. Wouldn't you want someone to be in the field because they are inspired to help others in an area where they needed help?

However--still, it does raise the odds that a medical student who made have had a psychotic disorder, and was able to make it through the training, would end up being a psychiatrist. I've also noticed that since psychiatry tends to have more laid back hours, this also tends to attract people with mental health issues because they may need the extra time to make sure their personal lives are under control.

To add to the confusion and push you in a different direction, IMHO because we treat mental health, IMHO there are also far more psychiatrists who are more mentally healthy than our other physician colleagues. Since we are in a field where signs such as excessive irritability, yelling and bullying are seen as signs of a mental disorder, I've seen this occur far less in this field than in other fields of medicine.

Nearly all the surgeons and ob-gyn doctors I know are overworked, and it shows. They are more irritable or show other signs. I don't mean to criticize them because I know I'd be the same way. In fact one could even interpret my comments as saluting them for their hard work and sacrifice to their profession.

I've noticed a good deal more personality pathology in specialties like Ob-Gyn, Emergency Medicine and Surgery than in Psychiatry. This may just be specific to where I train,

Nope--not as far as I can tell. I've been in several hospitals and seen the same thing. A buddy of mine who practices in the mid-west (Utah) told me he had a patient who was an orthopedic surgeon who worked 100 hrs a week, and was so sleep deprived, he actually had visual hallucinations during surgery. (no he was not schizophrenic--when he got his sleep, the hallucinations went away). The guy was so driven to "be the best" and make the money that he was willing to push himself to that degree. I see that far more often in other fields, especially the ones where you know for residency, and probably the rest of your life you will not get a decent night's sleep except when you are on vacation.
 
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Just one little thing to add since it hasn't been mentioned - the psychiatrists (and others in the mental health field) I've met just seem a little less guarded about their quirky side. It's not that the quirkiness is all that extreme, it's just more open.
 
Psychiatrists are crazy, surgeons are arrogant, and pathologists hate interacting with people.

These are stereotypes that we've all heard. The question shouldn't be, 'are they true?' Rather, the real question is, will you make a life decision based on what you said was an 'unfair generalization'?

If you love the work that psychiatrist do, then do it. Otherwise, don't. Usually psychiatrists work with patients and don't interact on a day to day basis with their peers as much as, say, surgeons might. I haven't found a single abrasive psychiatrist yet. They (in my experience) tend to be very thoughtful people who are very observant.

About half of the psychiatrists I've talked to got interested in the field because they themselves were in therapy. That does strike me as odd. So, yeah, I probably won't invite too many workmates out for drinks later. But they are all professional and I forsee no problems interacting with them to get the job done. Loveoforganic is right in that psychiatrists are usually pretty open about their quirkiness.

BTW, I'm a first year medical student who shadows psychiatrists.
 
Absolutely, psychiatrists are different, but so is everyone else. Each person's dart missed the bulls eye of normal and its just part of being human.
 
...A buddy of mine who practices in the mid-west (Utah) told me he had a patient who was an orthopedic surgeon who worked 100 hrs a week, and was so sleep deprived, he actually had visual hallucinations during surgery. (no he was not schizophrenic--when he got his sleep, the hallucinations went away). ....
Hypnogogal hallucinations. 🙂 Anyone pulling an all-nighter will have noticed the shadows out of the corner of their eyes, or the little things running across the road if they drive at night.

In fact, that is almost diagnostic of sleep deprivation.
 
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Hypnogogal hallucinations. Anyone pulling an all-nighter will have noticed the shadows out of the corner of their eyes, or the little things running across the road if they drive at night.

Yes, exactly.

Actually during my IM rotation, I was getting about 3-5 hrs of sleep a night. It wasn't the program. MY relationship with my then girlfriend (now wife) was on the rocks and I had to spend extra time trying to patch it up. The IM rotation was hell but I still would've been able to get a full night's sleep at least 5 days out of the week.

After one month of that--I went into a swimming pool and had the feeling there were sharks in it, even though I knew there couldn't have been. I actually thought this could've been a sign of a first break, but I was over 30, I been through a heck of a lot of worse stress before and didn't decompensate (e.g. I pulled an all nighter 2.5 nights in a row thanks to a bullying chief resident while in medschool).

I resumed a normal sleep schedule and I was fine after that.

Getting back to the OT, IMHO resident will change you, and different fields will tend to change people in a certain direction. That said however, not everyone will change in the same direction. Some people when faced with hardship become embittered, some grow. There will be some commonalities in the change, but for psychiatry, I don't think it makes you "off." If anything I think it just attracted more people with mental health issues, but the field itself will more likely encourage one to be mentally healthier.
 
Meaning, I presume, that there is no way that anyone from west of the Alleghenies would consider Utah as part of the "midwest"? 🙄

👍 More proof for the east coast bias on the psych board at SDN. 😱

As for weirdness, I can say the psychiatrists I've worked with are more comfortable being unconventional instead of being irritatingly and boringly normal. The conversations I heard while scrubbed in on surgeries were so painfully normal that they made me want to die -- those people could talk for hours about sports, cheap beer, hunting, Sonic drinks, real estate and golf. The psychiatrists I've worked with are more apt to do things like you know read books, which makes one a little weird in these parts.
 
About half of the psychiatrists I've talked to got interested in the field because they themselves were in therapy. That does strike me as odd. So, yeah, I probably won't invite too many workmates out for drinks later. .

I'm not sure that meeting more people in psychiatry who are in therapy necessarily means that psychiatrists have more mental health issues. I noticed that a lot of programs I've interviewed at offer free or reduced price therapy for residents, which is seen as a huge perk. I think this would be beneficial to people in any specialty, but I'm doubting that there are too many surgery programs that offer this. It may not be that psychiatrists need more therapy than people in other specialties, its benefits just may be more recognized within the field.
 
So I have always had a deep interest in psychiatry and so did an older doctor than is now a nephrologist. Unfortunately after doing her rotation she found is was not for her while dismissing most of the psychiatrist's as ''somewhat off''.

It's pretty typical for a general physician to make a comment like that. There is a huge amount of Asperger's and Personality Disorder traits among doctors in general; after a while in psychiatry you can spot them easily when they have become their speciality. It's actually the other way around. If you are one of these, you generally won't fit into psych in the long term, which apparently is exactly what happened with your colleague. This is similar for those who were always rabitting on about deep **** in college, wanting to do psych, but don't like it when they see it's not all about sitting around a camp fire discussing feelings and singing Kumbaya. Generally speaking, I have found I get on better with surgeons than medics.
 
The cliches for psychiatrists where I live are different...when profs and classmates have ventured into asking me what I'd like to specialize in, there's always this smirk like I have delusions of grandeur. The gist is that we think we're too intellectual and ethereal to get our hands dirty and shove tubes into orifices (as far as I'm concerned, they're spot-on. I deal with gore competently inasmuch as it helps me get ahead, although I know psych is not without its own brand of grossness).

It's oddly one of the highest-paid, shortest-residency yet virtually vacant specialties here.

I'm in this not because of my own history with mental health but because I had a clinically depressed-yet-undiagnosed husband for three years and I think psych when practised right has an unbelievable potential for positive ripple effect in the lives of the patient's family, friends or basically any person who crosses pt's path. I bet I'm not alone.
 
Sure training in psychiatry changes you. For me, it's made me far less tolerant of avoidance, especially when it's coming from other physicians. I call people out on their avoidance all the time - this makes me "weird" because I'm not conforming to their social norms.
 
Just one little thing to add since it hasn't been mentioned - the psychiatrists (and others in the mental health field) I've met just seem a little less guarded about their quirky side. It's not that the quirkiness is all that extreme, it's just more open.

I think this is exactly right. My psych friends and I joke openly about our Axis II traits, using labels that would be seen as pejorative in other circumstances, and we don't hide those traits from each other (since they're already obviously noticed by our peers). And why not? We also all know that having such traits is common and well within the "normal" spectrum.

I'll bet speech pathologists converse openly about each others' phonation patterns without embarrassment.
 
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I'm not sure that meeting more people in psychiatry who are in therapy necessarily means that psychiatrists have more mental health issues...It may not be that psychiatrists need more therapy than people in other specialties, its benefits just may be more recognized within the field.

Fair enough, you are right Sir. There is some stigma attached with receiving therapy, and I'm sure that those psychiatrists I talked to did not have serious mental illnesses. At least, not any more than any other field of medicine

I was attempting to concede that some psychiatrists can be a little strange. But, as I said that will not effect my decision to apply to the field. In fact, if it discourages others and makes psych less competitive, all the better for me 🙂
 
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