Psychoanalysis ambitions?

[Psyclops]

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So, do any of you psychiatrists plan to pursue psychoanalytic training after residency? Or is this not really taken that seriously among the psychiatric community? DS?

 

[Anasazi23]

Not me personally, but I would say that 60-70% of my residency program either is in training, or pursuing it soon. The answer to this question also depends on the geographical location of the residency. This is much easier to pursue on the East coast than other places.

Many residents do it concurrently with their psychiatric residency training.

Why do you ask?

 

[Psyclops]

Well, although I am interested in psychodynamic therapy (among others), and will be learning it as part of my graduate training, I don't see myself going on to get formal PA training.

PA, traditionaly the domain of MDs, seems to get a bad rap by many. Just trying to judge the interest level from you folks. If you could do it concurrently it seems like a good bargain.

Partially I was wondering if it was going the way of the dodo, or if ol' Kernberg was stirring up enough of an interest.


The true answer is why not, I'm going to seek counseling for my SDN addiction but until then I'm going to try and keep up the topics of conversation

 

[Poety]

Well, although I am interested in psychodynamic therapy (among others), and will be learning it as part of my graduate training, I don't see myself going on to get formal PA training.

PA, traditionaly the domain of MDs, seems to get a bad rap by many. Just trying to judge the interest level from you folks. If you could do it concurrently it seems like a good bargain.

Partially I was wondering if it was going the way of the dodo, or if ol' Kernberg was stirring up enough of an interest.


The true answer is why not, I'm going to seek counseling for my SDN addiction but until then I'm going to try and keep up the topics of conversation

My mentor explained to me a lot of the different types of therapy, and he said the PA training path is not only expensive, but its hard to find the patient pop. that wants to undergo the intensive 3 x wk sessions too.

On the interview trail, as Sazi said it was mostly in NE programs, and was a grad level type training course that was very expensive to pursue. Most I met along the trail had no interest in it, and the programs that focused heavily on it seemed to recruit those residents that really wanted the training. For the most part the programs either had heavy PA training (like having PA trained psychs as faculty), or none at all. Not a real happy medium.

What type of therapy are you interested in Psy?

 

[Psyclops]

Well, strangely enough, I'm not totally enamored with therapy. I like it as a concept but don't know that I would be that happy doing it. I guess we'll see as time goes on. At this point I would take a more eclectic view towards therapy, you know sort of fit the person and the problem. But I would lean towards modern psychodynamic theory to influce my approach.

I tend to be more interested in assessment and testing. I don't have that much experience clinically with this yet though. But I'm a firm believer that psychologitsts should be competent therapists as well. I'm leaning towards the life of an academic, but I remain a firm beliver in the boulder model, which for those who may not be familiar with it, suggests clinical psychologists should be trained in research and practice, and that both should influce the other.

 

[Poety]

Well, strangely enough, I'm not totally enamored with therapy. I like it as a concept but don't know that I would be that happy doing it. I guess we'll see as time goes on. At this point I would take a more eclectic view towards therapy, you know sort of fit the person and the problem. But I would lean towards modern psychodynamic theory to influce my approach.

I tend to be more interested in assessment and testing. I don't have that much experience clinically with this yet though. But I'm a firm believer that psychologitsts should be competent therapists as well. I'm leaning towards the life of an academic, but I remain a firm beliver in the boulder model, which for those who may not be familiar with it, suggests clinical psychologists should be trained in research and practice, and that both should influce the other.

What year are you in? Are you still undergrad? Whats interesting is my mentor uses the boulder model of psychotherapy for his residents. I guess it apparently combines the "best" of all the different therapies into one model. I don't know since I've had no therapy training and won't get any until 2nd year of residency (when we do all outpatient) I may lean toward developmental d/o, autism or SPMI so therapy or minimal therapy may end up being incorporated into my practice.

 

[Psyclops]

I just finished a terminal MS (not the disease) in general psychology (i.e., purely research) and will be begining a PhD program in the fall in clinical psych. Had to do a MS program following a less than stellar undergrad career to show them I could hack it.

You are a brave soul if you want to work with those populations. Although I'm interested mainly in PDs. Although I don't recognize the SPMI achronym (Somatic Psychiatric Myocardial Infarct? JK)

 

[Poety]

I just finished a terminal MS (not the disease) in general psychology (i.e., purely research) and will be begining a PhD program in the fall in clinical psych. Had to do a MS program following a less than stellar undergrad career to show them I could hack it.

You are a brave soul if you want to work with those populations. Although I'm interested mainly in PDs. Although I don't recognize the SPMI achronym (Somatic Psychiatric Myocardial Infarct? JK)

SPMI - severe persistant mental illness - sorry!

god bless YOU for doing PD"s Although quite a few in my program seem to be interested in it. I'ma lways fascinated by what attracts people to the borderlines - hmmm 😛

 

[Psyclops]

They say research is mesearch.

 

[Psyclops]

The funny thing is that I have endless compassion and boundless patience for psychotic patients. On top of that I enjoy their "antics". BUt I guess, from a psychological standpoint, there isn't much in the way of intervention, or at least not anything impressive. It doesn't interest me to work on compliance and stress management with them. I would hawoever be interested in testing and assesing for prodromal psychosis. That would be fun.

 

[Poety]

They say research is mesearch.

I did a year of it - I found that "I" don't like "addicts" oh, or borderlines, or histrionics, or antisocials.. or....

 

[Doc Samson]

So, do any of you psychiatrists plan to pursue psychoanalytic training after residency? Or is this not really taken that seriously among the psychiatric community? DS?

As with Sazi, I am not planning on pursuing analysis, but I'd say a quarter to a third of my classmates are. It is definitely taken seriously by all of us... some of my favorite supervisors are analysts.

As I went round and round with Norto about way back when, analysis has gotten a bad rap for not changing with the times, and being way too austere, but my experience of analysts has been very positive... lots of interests in integrating neuroscience with analysis, and very, very caring about their patients.

 

[PublicHealth]

As with Sazi, I am not planning on pursuing analysis, but I'd say a quarter to a third of my classmates are. It is definitely taken seriously by all of us... some of my favorite supervisors are analysts.

As I went round and round with Norto about way back when, analysis has gotten a bad rap for not changing with the times, and being way too austere, but my experience of analysts has been very positive... lots of interests in integrating neuroscience with analysis, and very, very caring about their patients.

These articles by Kandel are illustrative:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/..._uids=9545989&query_hl=29&itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...uids=10200728&query_hl=29&itool=pubmed_docsum