Public Schools

[ionou]

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Can you guys tell me which public schools accept a lot of out of state students?

 

[crazybob]

Can you guys tell me which public schools accept a lot of out of state students?

If you apply to a public school that has in-state and out-of-state tuition differences, it's going to be quite competitive, and you will have to stand out quite a bit.

Just apply to as many out-of-state schools as you can and you'll get accepted to some (or all) of them.

 

[ionou]

Crazybob: Thanks. Are you happy with where you're going? How many schools did you apply to?

 

[crazybob]

Crazybob: Thanks. Are you happy with where you're going? How many schools did you apply to?

Yes actually. I applied to only my state school and I've gotten accepted. I've also lived in Arkansas for 11 years.

I would have applied to more schools, but others required a lot of pre-requisites that I had not taken yet. UAMS required only two more, so I applied and finished them last spring.

 

[phathead]

As a taxpayer, I would want my state public school to take a majority of instate students. I mean we are funding it through our tax dollars, why should educate a large proportion of out-of state residents?

 

[ionou]

I'm a CA resident and I don't think that I would get in to one of the Cali schools that easily and I'm hoping that I could go somewhere without getting into the most debt. My gpa is around a 3.5, but I have a lower science/math gpa due to the fact that I took 2 years of math beyond calc, 2 yrs of physics, engineering and some other difficult courses. I'm just trying to get an idea of where I should apply.

 

[boltdude]

As a taxpayer, I would want my state public school to take a majority of instate students. I mean we are funding it through our tax dollars, why should educate a large proportion of out-of state residents?

Well, it depends if an out of state applicant can bring something to the school. Say a public school in Nebraska is mainly Caucasian, they might find a Latino applicant from California as a way to diversify their school. They may think that's well worth the investment in the long term.

 

[phathead]

Well, it depends if an out of state applicant can bring something to the school. Say a public school in Nebraska is mainly Caucasian, they might find a Latino applicant from California as a way to diversify their school. They may think that's well worth the investment in the long term.

Except when that student then goes back to Cali to practice. Just usin an example

 

[crazybob]

Well, it depends if an out of state applicant can bring something to the school. Say a public school in Nebraska is mainly Caucasian, they might find a Latino applicant from California as a way to diversify their school. They may think that's well worth the investment in the long term.

You don't always need RACE to make a school diverse.

My school is probably more than 95% white. My first year class is 95% white.

 

[boltdude]

Except when that student then goes back to Cali to practice. Just usin an example

Yes, but when more of the student body is diverse, it will attract more diverse individuals to apply - it's a positive feedback mechanism.

 

[boltdude]

You don't always need RACE to make a school diverse.

My school is probably more than 95% white. My first year class is 95% white.

So you're saying your school is diverse? Let's face it, the reason why your school is 95% white is b/c not many minorities would want to go to a school like that. That's why I believe state schools have an incentive to accept out of state, diverse students to reduce this exclusivity.

 

[Passion4Sci]

So you're saying your school is diverse?

A group of people can be dissimilar and divergent without needing to be different colors.

 

[boltdude]

A group of people can be dissimilar and divergent without needing to be different colors.

Perhaps your'e right, I just see it differently. Race does matter in America, I just don't want people to condone it.

 

[crazybob]

So you're saying your school is diverse? Let's face it, the reason why your school is 95% white is b/c not many minorities would want to go to a school like that. That's why I believe state schools have an incentive to accept out of state, diverse students to reduce this exclusivity.

We have people who used to be in the army, a guy who used to work for IT, people from different parts of the state, a girl who has been involved with Miss Arkansas, several people who have been teachers before coming to pharmacy school, etc. Stuff like that.

 

[boltdude]

We have people who used to be in the army, a guy who used to work for IT, people from different parts of the state, a girl who has been involved with Miss Arkansas, several people who have been teachers before coming to pharmacy school, etc. Stuff like that.

Yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm sure your school is a great school! 🙂

I'm just saying...

 

[crazybob]

Perhaps your'e right, I just see it differently. Race does matter in America, I just don't want people to condone it.

To most people it does. But I usually can't tell what race people are unless they say something about it, or someone tells me, or it's really obvious. I didn't know Barack Obama was black until people started saying he was.

 

[ionou]

Does being from LA (the city) count as diverse? I'm Asian and I feel like that doesn't help.

 

[boltdude]

Does being from LA (the city) count as diverse? I'm Asian and I feel like that doesn't help.

Depends on which part. Suburban, like Diamond Bar, or inner city like Compton? 😎

 

[ionou]

I'm close to downtown, but not really like Compton. Diamond Bar is not in the city of LA. I did graduate from a public HS in LA that doesn't have the greatest reputation, but since my undergrad school is quite good (better than UCLA in the sciences), I don't know how that will come into play.

 

[Pharmacist2]

Does anyone even have solid statistics that being black or native american or hispanic or another under represented minority even makes a difference in pharmacy school admissions?

 

[kmoogs]

Does anyone even have solid statistics that being black or native american or hispanic or another under represented minority even makes a difference in pharmacy school admissions?

Doesn't make a difference in UCs. Proposition 209 (or was it 204?) made it illegal in California to consider any of those qualities for admissions purposes (from a purely statistical stand point).

 

[boltdude]

Doesn't make a difference in UCs. Proposition 209 (or was it 204?) made it illegal in California to consider any of those qualities for admissions purposes (from a purely statistical stand point).

You do know that the UC Board of Regents reversed the ban on A.A. in 2001? I believe it's still illegal but not enforced. No one really likes to talk about it.

http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/00-01/05-21/regents.html

 

[kmoogs]

You do know that the UC reversed the ban on A.A. in 2001? I believe it's still illegal but not enforced. No one likes to talk about it.

UCLA's in 06/07/08 entering class was something like <2% African American. A lot of the UCs are >30% Asian ... there's no way this could continue if they kept a quota for URMs. UCSD is 49% Asian, 2% African American. UCLA is 38% Asian, 3% African American. UCI is 55% asian, 2% African American. 😱

 

[kmoogs]

You do know that the UC Board of Regents reversed the ban on A.A. in 2001? I believe it's still illegal but not enforced. No one really likes to talk about it.

http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/00-01/05-21/regents.html

They reversed the policies SP-1 and SP-2. Prop 209 is still in effect.

From the article...

SP-1 and SP-2, the regental policies that prohibited the use of preferences in university admissions, employment, and contracting practices, were approved in July 1995. While eliminating SP-1 and SP-2, the university is still governed by a similar ban incorporated into the California Constitution through Proposition 209, the state measure passed by California voters in November 1996.

 

[boltdude]

They reversed the policies SP-1 and SP-2. Prop 209 is still in effect.

From the article...

Right, but there is so much gray area to this and like I said, it is never enforced. Gray Davis dodged when asked about Prop 209 and its enforcement. Apparently, it's still a big deal and there is so much controversy. So, we cannot surely say that deferential treatment does not exist.

 

[boltdude]

UCLA's in 06/07/08 entering class was something like <2% African American. A lot of the UCs are >30% Asian ... there's no way this could continue if they kept a quota for URMs. UCSD is 49% Asian, 2% African American. UCLA is 38% Asian, 3% African American. UCI is 55% asian, 2% African American. 😱

I don't think there's a quota. But you also have to realize not many people with disadvantaged backgrounds apply to UC int he first place. That's the barrier the UCs are struggling to bring down. The argument is that full blown A.A. will bring that barrier down. There's a lot of other variables to this. It's very complex.

 

[kmoogs]

Politicians don't like to talk about anything about race unless it gets them votes. Statistics show otherwise about it existing or not. Minority acceptances dropped after 209 was passed. Asian acceptances and attendance rocketed upwards. Overall graduation rates in the UCs increased and the graduation rates of URMs also went up significantly after Prop 209. Plenty of statistical evidence within the UC system before and after Prop 209 showing that it is still being followed, at least as a soft guide line if not a hard rule.

URM's weren't considered for their URM status and accepted on their own academic merits -> higher graduation rates among URM.

 

[boltdude]

Politicians don't like to talk about anything about race unless it gets them votes. Statistics show otherwise about it existing or not. Minority acceptances dropped after 209 was passed. Asian acceptances and attendance rocketed upwards. Overall graduation rates in the UCs increased and the graduation rates of URMs also went up significantly after Prop 209. Plenty of statistical evidence within the UC system before and after Prop 209 showing that it is still being followed, at least as a soft guide line if not a hard rule.

You're probably right, but I don't think we can say that deferential treatment definitely does not exist.

 

[kmoogs]

I suppose there isn't any hard proof about this.


As for public schools in other states, I'm not sure they have the same laws/propositions in place. The only one I can think of might be Michigan but I don't know the status of their anti-A.A. law.

Back to the opening post's question... I don't think most public schools favor or look down on in-state or out-of-state status of applicants. It probably has more to do with the statistics of how many out of states are actually applying. Generally speaking, a lot of people are not comfortable with change and moving across state lines is a huge change in some cases. At least for the UCSF admissions, they stated that there is a larger % of CA acceptances due to the fact that there's a larger % of CA applicants. In UCSF's case, it has nothing to do with in-state or out-of-state status.

 

[ionou]

I guess what I'm getting at is the fact that Asian doesn't really seem to qualify as URM. Many schools already have quite a large percentage of Asian students. So, I thought Asians weren't "underrepresented." I didn't know that it was a matter of where you're from that would determine your eligibility for URM.

 

[kmoogs]

I guess what I'm getting at is the fact that Asian doesn't really seem to qualify as URM. Many schools already have quite a large percentage of Asian students. So, I thought Asians weren't "underrepresented." I didn't know that it was a matter of where you're from that would determine your eligibility for URM.

It won't hurt your chances at being accepted. Don't worry about URM status... the only URM asians I know of are south east and pacific islander asians.

 

[kmoogs]

Also, random stat about asians not being URM... oriental asians make up ~20% of the national med school class but only make up 6%(?) Of the total population. Hardly under represented.

(Posted new post because edit button doesn't work on my phone)

 

[waterloggedfrog]

University of tennessee CoP accepts 20% out of state students. At the interview they said that they get almost no money from the state so the increased tuition that out of state students pay helps fund expansion/keep the CoP running.