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Hey guys, I was just wondering if theres any punjabis out there in osteopathic schools?
Punjabis in DO?
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I am 100% sure that there are quite a few of them. I think this guy is punjabi and he must have gone to an Osteopathic medical School:
http://sutteroccupationalhealth.org/providers/#9
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We got a group of them.
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...why?
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i am punjabi UMDNJ
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There are far more caucasians in medicine (which is to be expected, based on population representation).
Indians just tend to really identify with their regional culture of their country of origin. White americans do identify with their regional culture, but don't tend to be as vocal about it or fixated on it.
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Thats easy...just imagine that you were in India. You went to medical school there, and lets say in a class of 300 you spot 10 other americans. Would not want to go and talk them. Ask them where they are from? If they watch baseball, talk about their families..etc. You may want to start an american awareness group that goes around the community doing volunteer programs and also organizing events that help your colleagues experience american culture they may not understand. You may want to have a flag football tournament, maybe a baseball clinic or other "american" things. Maybe bring in some American food...etc. I know it's just hypothetical but can this help you understand why minorities may tend to group around each other more than most white americans may, although I do know that immigrant white americans (ie. greeks, italians, polish..etc) tend to group themselves just as much as indians, chinese, mexicans..etc may. This is also in part answers your earlier post of "why it would matter to a punjabi, if there were other punjabis in osteopathic medical schools?" You have to see the other perspective to completely understand.
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Well, half the time indian people are saying "indians dominate medicine" and half the time they're saying "poor us, we're a minority and so far away from home and desperately need a familiar face". It's inconsistent.
Using your example, if I steered every conversation or situation toward America if I were in school in India, wouldn't it be a little...tiresome? I see the novelty and benefit of recognizing and a tendency to associate with people who are from where you're from, but second generation indians living in america (children of immigrants) were almost all raised in America. If I were raised in India and went to medical school in India, I don't know what the constant relevance would be of finding people from Texas (if my family were originally from Texas, which they're not). It's not the tendency to seek each other out that makes me uneasy, it's the sometimes startling extent to which they do it, and the conspicuous irrelevance of it.
I adore indian people and their culture as much as any - in my experience they just tend to separate and focus on their culture of origin more than other immigrant groups I've known.
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Yep, I agree that it is irrelevant, but it is still fun. you should try it.
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Ok. It can be harmful, but have fun.
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its all good bro.
Northerner, going from state to state in India is like going to country to country in Europe, the differences are much more pronounced than going from state to state in the USA as each Indian state as well defined food, language etc. Come on, I expect more from someone who "adores" Indian culture.
And Indian people sure as hell do not dominate in medicine, but on average, the med school populations are 15% Indian (this number is like >30% at the UMDNJ md schools), which is 7x the population distribution of Indians which is estimated at 2% of the general US population. 15-20 is less than 50, so yes we are a minority.
And Indian people sure as hell do not dominate in medicine, but on average, the med school populations are 15% Indian (this number is like >30% at the UMDNJ md schools), which is 7x the population distribution of Indians which is estimated at 2% of the general US population. 15-20 is less than 50, so yes we are a minority.
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...and there it is. I don't know what the story is, but some minorities seem hell-bent on trying to "one-up" the other races, claiming they're over-represented in medicine. I'm interested - why did you mention this? My posts have always said racial distributions are based on objective population statistics (and not on pre-supposed strengths/weaknesses separated by race), why did you try to claim or even mention a difference in representation?
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are you serious? everyone and their mother knows indians are disproportionately represented in medicine. this isnt breaking news and really isnt debatable. is it wrong for them to take pride in the fact that they make up such a large percentage of the physician workforce? does that bother you?And as for "regional culture", the differences between Texan and a Floridian dont even compare to the cultural differences between a Tamilian and a Punjabi. Of course it would take someone who is educated on that topic to make a critical assessment of it. Instead of asking why they cling to their culture so strongly, perhaps you could learn more about it and find out for yourself. Your choice...
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Yeah...northerner seems to take offense to minorities who like to overrepresent themselves, or to be more specific, minorities who try and differentiate themselves based on their culture...Maybe he has assimilation issues (ie. 2nd generation Indians should be straight American...etc)....like I said, its hard to understand unless you see it from the other perspective...some people will never know. Since we all live in America we should all act like americans and stop harping on our differences...this I disagree with because it is our differences that make america great...Just as long as one group doesnt try to address superiority over another because of it, we are all different, but all equal in the same sense. To be perfectly honest, I would much rather live in a place with vast diversity (culture, race, ethnicity..etc) than in a one sided homogenous nation (thats just me). Maybe thats why I would never feel as comfortable living in say...norway or sweden, where the population is like 99% caucasian. Not that I have anything against norwegeians or swedes, but it would be better to know some people of my own race and cultural, its just a natural thing. America is great because it provides that...
ok...maybe I should take that last statement about norway/sweden back...I live in a neighborhood that is like 99% caucasian...lol, and I dont really have a problem with it...what I meant was probably the cultural factor, because at least in my neighborhood everyone is American...which is also something we 2nd generation minorities also have to juggle, because we not only are american but we also are prould of our parents heritage, and its a duality we have to juggle with everyday. When I am away at school I eat Burgers and Fries...when I am at home its rice, fish, meat,noodles...etc. I think its funny...
If anyone is hell-bent on anything, it is Northerner who seems to have a problem with Indians or minorities in medicine. This is the guy who complains about lower standards for URMs and too many Asians in medicine while he's the perfect fit. Theres one word for you you dude, RACIST.
What I stated was a fact, where am I hell-bent on anything. People look at his post history. He seems to be fixated with some kind of "minority problem" in medical schools.
What I stated was a fact, where am I hell-bent on anything. People look at his post history. He seems to be fixated with some kind of "minority problem" in medical schools.
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Well if the way you'd like to debate this is to villify me for pointing out that indians tend to be competitive with other races (as demonstrated in this thread), I can't stop you and of course the discussion will degenerate.
Before you make your case about why I'm so evil, let me just clarify a few things:
1) In no way have I ever said that anyone, especially minority races, should assimilate in a way that dissociates themselves from the culture with which they identify. No one should be pressured to do so. I have never said that - to whomever accused me of thinking you're obligated to assimilate to a host culture.
2) Races may be disproportionately represented in medicine. That is to be expected and totally healthy. What is harmful, however, is when people take that statistic and use it as a way to claim or imply a superiority in that area or a greater suitability to become a physician based on race alone. That is the only point I am trying to make - be careful what comments you make about race, what stereotypes they propagate, and be sensitive to how it's perceived by people of other races.
If anyone's been following the news, James Watson has recently made comments implying racial disparities that are relevant to this discussion and was rightfully chastised:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2697559.ece
3) To address disproportionate representation in medicine - we don't know why they exist. We do have a responsibility to each other in this country, however to give each other the benefit of the doubt that it is not do to some sort of biological, genetic, or innate cultural disparity, where one race performs better than another because one is stronger and the other is weaker. It is unrealistic to assign greater suitability to become a physician (the measure we're using here, a measure associated with greater ability to achieve social status, income potential, and education) to something as superficial as race.
A more likely explanation is that the sample of Indians (or any non-native immigrant race) who chose to immigrate to the U.S. represent similar likelihood of producing children who are likely to become physicians to those of native (host culture) races whose children end up in medical school. That is to say, it's most likely that the parents, upbringing, and home environment are very similar in Indian medical students to any other race. The reverse would be likely be true if white Americans were to relocate to a foreign country - their children may represent a disproportionately large amount of medical students. Not because white people are inherently more suitable to become physicians and not because they teach their children better values and not because they're better parents, but because the demographic from the U.S. population they represent is similar in stratum to those of the host country who also produce medical students. If this idea needs further clarification, I'd be happy.
4) I've never said or implied anything that anthroguy is assigning to my credit, I am a big proponent of diversity in medical schools, accept and appreciate what disproportionate representation of races reflects (as explained above) and am proud of the diversity of culture and background present in medicine and medical schools. Reviewing my post history for the past half-dozen pages or so, I don't see any posts where I say anything like what you accuse me of saying. Feel free to e-stalk me and repost quotes and I'll discuss them, I'm not ashamed of anything I've said. There are times when you really appreciate - there are few places that what they fought so hard for not even 50 years ago (against racial segregation, discrimination, prejudice) that the vision is less realized than in medicine. I think civil rights activists of the 50's & 60's would be very proud of what we've done and how far we've come towards their goals and the goals of this country if they could see us today in the classroom, on the wards, in small group sessions, in the way we work without letting race be a basis for prejudice. The fact that you call me such names really feels like a step backwards - that we can't debate race issues or what the way we represent our own race by generalizations and stereotypes without calling each other racists.
My stance has always been that the standard should always be to leave race out of the discussion about who's suitable to become a physician, or really any similar measure of competition because that's exactly the sort of thinking that lead to a lot of the discrimination that plagued this country. If you really want to assign eminence to races based on what % of their numbers they send to medical school, you may. Just be aware of what it says about other races when you do and expect a reaction.
5) If you take issue or disagree or don't understand what I am saying, what my point is, or what my perspective is, feel free to discuss or debate or challenge what I say. Paint me as a racist if you want, but that's a pretty serious and inflammatory accusation. Rereading the back and forth on this thread, I don't think I said anything discriminatory or particularly worthy of such a violent response.
Before you make your case about why I'm so evil, let me just clarify a few things:
1) In no way have I ever said that anyone, especially minority races, should assimilate in a way that dissociates themselves from the culture with which they identify. No one should be pressured to do so. I have never said that - to whomever accused me of thinking you're obligated to assimilate to a host culture.
2) Races may be disproportionately represented in medicine. That is to be expected and totally healthy. What is harmful, however, is when people take that statistic and use it as a way to claim or imply a superiority in that area or a greater suitability to become a physician based on race alone. That is the only point I am trying to make - be careful what comments you make about race, what stereotypes they propagate, and be sensitive to how it's perceived by people of other races.
If anyone's been following the news, James Watson has recently made comments implying racial disparities that are relevant to this discussion and was rightfully chastised:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2697559.ece
3) To address disproportionate representation in medicine - we don't know why they exist. We do have a responsibility to each other in this country, however to give each other the benefit of the doubt that it is not do to some sort of biological, genetic, or innate cultural disparity, where one race performs better than another because one is stronger and the other is weaker. It is unrealistic to assign greater suitability to become a physician (the measure we're using here, a measure associated with greater ability to achieve social status, income potential, and education) to something as superficial as race.
A more likely explanation is that the sample of Indians (or any non-native immigrant race) who chose to immigrate to the U.S. represent similar likelihood of producing children who are likely to become physicians to those of native (host culture) races whose children end up in medical school. That is to say, it's most likely that the parents, upbringing, and home environment are very similar in Indian medical students to any other race. The reverse would be likely be true if white Americans were to relocate to a foreign country - their children may represent a disproportionately large amount of medical students. Not because white people are inherently more suitable to become physicians and not because they teach their children better values and not because they're better parents, but because the demographic from the U.S. population they represent is similar in stratum to those of the host country who also produce medical students. If this idea needs further clarification, I'd be happy.
4) I've never said or implied anything that anthroguy is assigning to my credit, I am a big proponent of diversity in medical schools, accept and appreciate what disproportionate representation of races reflects (as explained above) and am proud of the diversity of culture and background present in medicine and medical schools. Reviewing my post history for the past half-dozen pages or so, I don't see any posts where I say anything like what you accuse me of saying. Feel free to e-stalk me and repost quotes and I'll discuss them, I'm not ashamed of anything I've said. There are times when you really appreciate - there are few places that what they fought so hard for not even 50 years ago (against racial segregation, discrimination, prejudice) that the vision is less realized than in medicine. I think civil rights activists of the 50's & 60's would be very proud of what we've done and how far we've come towards their goals and the goals of this country if they could see us today in the classroom, on the wards, in small group sessions, in the way we work without letting race be a basis for prejudice. The fact that you call me such names really feels like a step backwards - that we can't debate race issues or what the way we represent our own race by generalizations and stereotypes without calling each other racists.
My stance has always been that the standard should always be to leave race out of the discussion about who's suitable to become a physician, or really any similar measure of competition because that's exactly the sort of thinking that lead to a lot of the discrimination that plagued this country. If you really want to assign eminence to races based on what % of their numbers they send to medical school, you may. Just be aware of what it says about other races when you do and expect a reaction.
5) If you take issue or disagree or don't understand what I am saying, what my point is, or what my perspective is, feel free to discuss or debate or challenge what I say. Paint me as a racist if you want, but that's a pretty serious and inflammatory accusation. Rereading the back and forth on this thread, I don't think I said anything discriminatory or particularly worthy of such a violent response.
This is where Northerner misreads the joke/offhand comment said in previous post and responds with factual comment all are aware of.
Dude, you took a common joke on how many Indians there are in medicine and made it into a race debate. Those Indian kids in your medical school class aren't sitting around talking about how great they are cause they're brown. Yea they speak a different language, are proud of their ethnic heritage, whatever, it doesnt mean they think they're better than other people. Being proud of your heritage and believing you are culturally superior are two different things. If anything you sound defensive about the numbers of caucasions in medicine which I've never heard anyone mention.
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Maybe not, but it's a fine line and you're playing with fire by making jokes that come off as implying some sort of pre-eminence or superiority. I understand you feel that I'm "misreading" the joke by correcting the stereotype/myth with a statistical explanation...I've explained why the comment is offensive to me (and I'm not alone), perhaps you'd care to explain why it's not offensive?
The fact that you refer to it as a "common joke" really does nothing to excuse it (I hope that's obvious at face value), the frequency with which this sort of thing is propagated doesn't make it less offensive. Do an SDN search on the word "Indian" and take a look at how many posts are making comments that reinforce stereotypes and could be considered insulting to other races and unfair to Indians themselves.
Although I won't address your contention that I sound defensive about how many "caucasions" [sic] there are in medicine, I'll point out that you're doing the exact same thing (defending how much your race is represented in medicine). Am I proud of the fact that white people make up a majority of medical students and physicians? No, I assume it's due to population statistics and socioeconomic distribution, not some sort of competition with the other races. Am I proud of my culture and race? Yes, but if comments/jokes I make based on that pride are construed as offensive to another race, I would stop making them, rather than calling the offendee racist themselves.
http://drslounge.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=467043
(Yes, this is from the Lounge, but I deleted the other threads I'd listed when I realized I could just say "do an SDN search of the word 'Indian'..." to make it shorter)
All i see in that thread is you arguing that minorities don't dominate medicine, which no one has said. One person made a joke on doctor names and them being Indian and you use 3-4 posts will tables and facts showing that in fact most doctors are Caucasian when no one was challenging that. Everyone then ignores you.
Your acting like Indians want to fill up medical schools until they are some kind of majority or something. Why do you feel its necessary to keep harping on the fact that most doctors are white as are the majority of medical school students? Is anyone disputing this? Its also true that Asians are overrepresented in terms of population in medical schools. Is that because they are inherently better, no, of course not. They got into medical schools just like their African American, Hispanic, White and Native American counterparts, because they worked hard, did well, and probably had a good amount of support from family and friends.
Your acting like Indians want to fill up medical schools until they are some kind of majority or something. Why do you feel its necessary to keep harping on the fact that most doctors are white as are the majority of medical school students? Is anyone disputing this? Its also true that Asians are overrepresented in terms of population in medical schools. Is that because they are inherently better, no, of course not. They got into medical schools just like their African American, Hispanic, White and Native American counterparts, because they worked hard, did well, and probably had a good amount of support from family and friends.
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Did you read the thread? Because your response suggests you didn't. In fact, 3 people joined in toward the "joke" that Indian people make up 97% of physicians. Take a look at how bad you freaked out when you thought I short-changed you by even suggesting races' representation in medicine was based on their population distribution - you practically bit my head off when I even suggested there wasn't the "over-representation" of which you seem so proud. Just be humble and conservative in your data interpretation, unless you don't care who you offend.
For posterity, I've reposted my responses on the thread about which you claim, "All i see in that thread is you arguing that minorities don't dominate medicine, which no one has said. One person made a joke on doctor names and them being Indian and you use 3-4 posts will tables and facts showing that in fact most doctors are Caucasian when no one was challenging that. Everyone then ignores you":
And in response to a question about the table categories:
What part of these posts are malignant, exactly?
And why do you think I'm "harping" on the fact that white people are a majority? Never have I claimed that white people make up the majority of med students and physicians for any other reason than the fact that white people make up a majority of the population. That's it. Seems pretty damn fair to me. Rereading my posts, I don't think I'm harping on anything, except that if I'm guilty of the things you claim, you're just as guilty, pal. Again - the only difference is that I'm trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt based on their race, rather than reinforcing stereotypes.
Your folly lies in thinking Indians care that they are overrepresented and its some kind of badge of honor worn on their sleeves. Hell dude, say that they're underrepresented who cares, whatever it may be there are enough so that a person can ask if there is someone from Punjab who might have insight on a gurudwara/mandhir nearby or where they could get specific food or something. Its kind of weird that you care.
The malignancy comes from you having a problem with someone expressing cultural identity, because instead of it being Indian it is a state within India. This came from your ignorance about the diversity among Indian states and how they differ so much linguistically, and culturally from each other which hopefully you've gotten some insight about from my previous posts. Hell, most of these states were at war against each other at some point in history.
The malignancy also comes from you feeling you have to state "caucasions make up a majority of medical students" when the only thing the person said before you was that:
"its hilarious there are so many Indians in medicine that we start asking if there are any from a particular state... although I guess this could include paki punjabis too".
How was this person expressing any kind of superiority sentiment? If anything you saw the need to state that there are more white people in medical school than any other group when no one was even saying anything of a contradictory nature.
Oh yea dude, I dont think anyone believes Indians are 97% of physicians or hopes to insinuate a number anywhere close to that. If you feel threatened by people saying such an obvious absurd funny statement/joke that is in no way malignant, your really going to need to look inward to see why you feel the way you do.
The malignancy comes from you having a problem with someone expressing cultural identity, because instead of it being Indian it is a state within India. This came from your ignorance about the diversity among Indian states and how they differ so much linguistically, and culturally from each other which hopefully you've gotten some insight about from my previous posts. Hell, most of these states were at war against each other at some point in history.
The malignancy also comes from you feeling you have to state "caucasions make up a majority of medical students" when the only thing the person said before you was that:
"its hilarious there are so many Indians in medicine that we start asking if there are any from a particular state... although I guess this could include paki punjabis too".
How was this person expressing any kind of superiority sentiment? If anything you saw the need to state that there are more white people in medical school than any other group when no one was even saying anything of a contradictory nature.
Oh yea dude, I dont think anyone believes Indians are 97% of physicians or hopes to insinuate a number anywhere close to that. If you feel threatened by people saying such an obvious absurd funny statement/joke that is in no way malignant, your really going to need to look inward to see why you feel the way you do.
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Just like your last post (which I had to refute by posting the content you were totally mischaracterizing), you're really not saying anything that applies to me or my posts.
But what the hell, I might as well keep pointing out how you're doing it again:
Again - you flipped out and defended your overrepresentation when I even suggested representation of physicians by race was proportional to population representation. You care, that's who. And the "joke" is propagated because yes, it does seem like something people are proud of. If you don't get that after this much explanation, I don't know that I can help you.
Likewise, you think it's "weird that I care" about offensive comments (the original post to which I replied on this thread was not offensive - the follow-up posts to my response were, however), while I think it's weird you don't seem to care at all that someone feels you're being racially offensive. I tell you what - why don't I be the first to say it: although I personally do not think I said anything racially insensitive, if you did feel that way, it was unintended and I apologize and have made note of it. The ball's in your court, although I'm not so optimistic to expect the same kind of respect.
You know what? This part gets a little ridiculous. You're not even talking about the same thing anymore, you applied the "malignant" accusation to another topic entirely, completely ignoring the original context. It's like arguing with a teenager. I guess I can play that game....again (man, I'm really having to restate things a lot here, aren't I?) I have never expressed any desire to see anyone suppress their cultural identity - I have a problem when people do it in a way that comes off as insulting to other races. That's it. If you think I overreacted to the initial post, fine. What it looked like was a "joke" of the same brand that I find offensive. Apparently I'm not allowed to be offended by that sort of joke. As far as my "ignorance about Indian states" goes, I was making an analogy. You may replace the example in the analogy with a european country if you're hung up on it.
How is this malignant? It struck me as another tasteless joke of the "97%" type I posted, so I mentioned it.
You think it's out of place to mention the majority thing. Great, I do too. If you read the original "97%" thread, I say I feel silly mentioning it. If you don't get that I'm bringing it up to prove a point that it comes off as racially abrasive to rub this sort of thing in everyone's face (just as the whole "indians are over-represented in medicine" thing does), I don't think I can help you.
Now why is it not out of place for you to soon thereafter start making one-upping claims a few posts later about how over-represented your race is in medicine? Heck, at least when I did it, I based it on population. You just seem to be trying to brag about out-competing everyone or something. So while the initial post to which I replied may have been innocuous enough, yours certainly weren't.
How profound. How about this, I'm going to get all the white people on SDN to start mentioning about how much of the physician workforce we make up (after all, it's just statistics) just as a joke. Why not? It's funny, and we do make up a majority! Then, we'll take it further and say we make up 75% of the workforce. It's obvious we're exaggerating, anyone who takes issue with it clearly can't take a joke. Then eventually we'll just start joking around that we make up 90% of physicians. Why not? It's just a joke, and it's absurd! We're obviously just messing around.
How would you feel? You flipped out when I even tried to challenge the fact that indian people are overrepresented, how are you going to feel when my joke implies your race is not represented in medicine proportionally to your population?
This is the bottom line:
1) Many people of other races find the "indians dominate medicine" jokes insulting because it diminishes their own contribution (even if it's based on statistics). Many people of other races would find "white people dominate medicine" jokes insulting because it would diminish their own contribution (even if it's based on statistics).
2) Although some races may have claims that seem to speak well of their contribution in particular [eg. (A) indians are over-represented, (B) white people are the majority, (C) asians do slightly better on standardized tests], it's a little silly to be proud of it, when it's probably more easily explained by demographics than race characteristics, and when as a society we should be striving for representation equal to our population representation.
3) When you either make these jokes or state these claims, you run the risk of insulting people.
I don't want to racially offend people, do you?
Your just selectively arguing points and ignoring the offensive comments you made in this thread when you questioned why the poster was asking if there were any Punjabis in DO school as if he was doing anything wrong. Your offensiveness continued when you stated that "Indians identify more with regional groups" and suggested that they shouldn't thus ignoring diversity within India. If there's anything tasteless, its your ignorance. Its fine not to know about Indian diversity, most people don't, but where the hell do you get started criticizing people that they're being too "regional"? Its like telling Italians and Spaniards to group themselves under the European tag and denying their history.
Over this representation thing, I really don't know where to begin with you. Why do you care who of what race is in medical school? Shouldn't medical schools be filled with students most capable and most dedicated to getting the work done and most compassionate about the care of others?
that is a contradictory statement, if medical school populations are explained by demographics what is this representation equal to our population representation that you are asking for. Oh wait I get it, using your logic demographics explains why Asians tend to be in a position to go to medical school, but if we strive for representation equal to our population representation, ignoring demographics, things would be more to your liking.
I hope everyone reading this thread is understanding this guy's motives and beliefs. Using his logic with medical population equaling the general population representation (remember, this is what Northerner is striving for), he would limit each medical school to 2-3% of people of Asian decent, which is hugely racist and a basic quota (and uhh kind of would be thrown out by any court in this country). People should do what they want to do and you can't have quotas for ethnic groups in the profession. That is absurd.
I think the one person sitting at the back of the room counting heads by race is you, only you and you see some sort of need for change in demographics because they're a little off for your tastes.
I'm really wondering if there were too many kids speaking Hindi in class for your tastes or did you not get an invite to the Diwali dinner, was it a combination of the two, is that why your pissed?
Over this representation thing, I really don't know where to begin with you. Why do you care who of what race is in medical school? Shouldn't medical schools be filled with students most capable and most dedicated to getting the work done and most compassionate about the care of others?
that is a contradictory statement, if medical school populations are explained by demographics what is this representation equal to our population representation that you are asking for. Oh wait I get it, using your logic demographics explains why Asians tend to be in a position to go to medical school, but if we strive for representation equal to our population representation, ignoring demographics, things would be more to your liking.
I hope everyone reading this thread is understanding this guy's motives and beliefs. Using his logic with medical population equaling the general population representation (remember, this is what Northerner is striving for), he would limit each medical school to 2-3% of people of Asian decent, which is hugely racist and a basic quota (and uhh kind of would be thrown out by any court in this country). People should do what they want to do and you can't have quotas for ethnic groups in the profession. That is absurd.
I think the one person sitting at the back of the room counting heads by race is you, only you and you see some sort of need for change in demographics because they're a little off for your tastes.
I'm really wondering if there were too many kids speaking Hindi in class for your tastes or did you not get an invite to the Diwali dinner, was it a combination of the two, is that why your pissed?
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See, this is what I get for trying to be reasonable with an unreasonable person by apologizing for unintentional offense, classless hostility.
I'm arguing point by point every comment made in your posts....what are you doing? Just slinging insults and assigning things to my credit I never said (and not responding to the points I make in my posts). See what you want to see, I can't debate with a person who isn't addressing my points or answering my questions.
How is saying "Indians just tend to really identify with their regional culture of their country of origin. White americans do identify with their regional culture, but don't tend to be as vocal about it or fixated on it" so offensive?
How is saying that white people make up a majority offensive? And how is your same comment that indians are overrepresented not offensive? It's impressive how everything I say is evil and racist, but all your comments are championing all that is good. Strange, huh? I'm actually starting to think this whole thing is pretty hilarious, since I keep repeating myself and you refuse to address them. And never did I criticize anyone for "being too regional". I pointed out how regional they tend to be. You agree. What exactly is so horrible and dramatic?
Yes, I agree.
I had a feeling I would lose you on that (and maybe this is part of the reason you're being so dramatic about all of this).
I am not "asking" for equal representation, I'm saying that in this country, we assume people of every race are equally capable. Therefore, ideally we assume the % who become physicians will be the same as the % in the population. If it is lower, we do NOT suggest or imply that it is due to a lower suitability for that race to be a physician, or some sort of deficiency of the race. If it is higher, we do NOT suggest or imply that it is due to a higher suitability for that race to be a physician, or some sort of superiority of the race. That is to say, underrepresentation is not something to celebrate, and therefore neither is overrepresentation. It's fine to feel good that people of your heritage are contributing in such a positive way. It becomes inappropriate when you do it in a way that insults other races.
I'm not striving for anything - I said society strives for equal opportunities irrespective of race. Therefore, if we achieve that, we expect the representations of races in those opportunities (such as medical school) to be even with their population. Why are you having such a hard time with this? Who said anything about quotas? How much are you going to pretend I've said in order to villify me?
I have no problem with the racial representation of medical students and physicians. I've posted how proud I am that we've come so far and enjoy such a rich and accepting environment when it comes to race and diversity (but you'd have to have read my posts in this thread and others to know that). I have a problem with people who try to stratify their race above others based on it, though.
Keepin' in classy as always, I see.
I'm arguing point by point every comment made in your posts....what are you doing? Just slinging insults and assigning things to my credit I never said (and not responding to the points I make in my posts). See what you want to see, I can't debate with a person who isn't addressing my points or answering my questions.
How is saying "Indians just tend to really identify with their regional culture of their country of origin. White americans do identify with their regional culture, but don't tend to be as vocal about it or fixated on it" so offensive?
How is saying that white people make up a majority offensive? And how is your same comment that indians are overrepresented not offensive? It's impressive how everything I say is evil and racist, but all your comments are championing all that is good. Strange, huh? I'm actually starting to think this whole thing is pretty hilarious, since I keep repeating myself and you refuse to address them. And never did I criticize anyone for "being too regional". I pointed out how regional they tend to be. You agree. What exactly is so horrible and dramatic?
Yes, I agree.
I had a feeling I would lose you on that (and maybe this is part of the reason you're being so dramatic about all of this).
I am not "asking" for equal representation, I'm saying that in this country, we assume people of every race are equally capable. Therefore, ideally we assume the % who become physicians will be the same as the % in the population. If it is lower, we do NOT suggest or imply that it is due to a lower suitability for that race to be a physician, or some sort of deficiency of the race. If it is higher, we do NOT suggest or imply that it is due to a higher suitability for that race to be a physician, or some sort of superiority of the race. That is to say, underrepresentation is not something to celebrate, and therefore neither is overrepresentation. It's fine to feel good that people of your heritage are contributing in such a positive way. It becomes inappropriate when you do it in a way that insults other races.
I'm not striving for anything - I said society strives for equal opportunities irrespective of race. Therefore, if we achieve that, we expect the representations of races in those opportunities (such as medical school) to be even with their population. Why are you having such a hard time with this? Who said anything about quotas? How much are you going to pretend I've said in order to villify me?
I have no problem with the racial representation of medical students and physicians. I've posted how proud I am that we've come so far and enjoy such a rich and accepting environment when it comes to race and diversity (but you'd have to have read my posts in this thread and others to know that). I have a problem with people who try to stratify their race above others based on it, though.
Keepin' in classy as always, I see.
But no one is doing this. Your the one with the race problem.
So what would a medical school class look like? You can spin this any way you want, but what this means should be evident to all. I mean what if a higher percentage of students of one ethnic group want to be doctors. How can you expect everything to just fall in line with the general population percentages unless you force things that way?
Always man. Just trying to see where your getting the haterade.
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I think this is what offended Anthroguy.
Then Northerner you did snap a little quick about the post that suggested it is so "hilarious" about there being so many indians in medicine thing.
I would like to point out though that SOMETIMES people can use this kind of a statement the "isn't it hilarious" comment to point out something that is in fact not humerous but more to illustrate or draw attention to something that they find particularly interesting.
Enter Northerner who bring to the table perhaps a bit of animosity that stems from his past experience which he has explained in detail about how he does not find the whole "97%" Indians in medicine statistic funny. Okay....... So he doesn't think it is funny, this doesn't make him a racist, just a little touchy. Forgive him I think he is actually a pretty decent guy based on the rest of his posts. Can everybody please play nicely now.
I hope the OP finds what he is looking for and if it is indeed a good place to dine, then in my opinion there are not many a better pursuit than that. Except maybe the pursuit we are all in which is to make ourselves better people through the endeavor sp? of becoming physicians. 😍
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Calling each other names works so much better over food, especially Indian. Come to my family restaurant, we are expensive, but there is always a private room for people to argue. 😀👍
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short answer: yes
My question, are there any Gujaratis in osteo schools?
My question, are there any Gujaratis in osteo schools?
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Since we're getting into a culture flame war...
How many Bavarian descendant protestants who appreciate German engineering and beer are represented in D.O. schools? I'm getting lonely out here....
I'll settle for descendants of the Tirol in Austria in a pinch.
Get back to me,
Thanks.
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How many Bavarian descendant protestants who appreciate German engineering and beer are represented in D.O. schools? I'm getting lonely out here....
I'll settle for descendants of the Tirol in Austria in a pinch.
Get back to me,
Thanks.
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Punjabiyan di shaan vakhri!
Mujhe nahi pata tha kai there are paki punjabis at DMU???
Are there more than just you? lol
I thought I would be the only one next year, because I didn't see any during my interview/tour.
oh and Chak de phateeee
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I'm convinced that you seize upon any reason to bitch self-righteously.
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hahahaha at this thread. for some reason, being punjabi has become really popular after the Jay Z Punjabi MC song. hahaha, paki punjabi here
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Puther haha
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yeah...that really put punjabis on the map. great name by the way
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you know it son! i didn't know what to pick as my SDN sn, so i figured i'll go with the always cool "cameljockey" and put some numbers next to it. Sense of humor lacking? yup.
