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samac said:
I don’t know what I’ve done to be the second top village read tho
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There were some later moments where I really liked your takes, like thinking that series of posts from Santy was towny and I think your response to the Clem sus was pretty good. I also think you've been moving the thread forward in a way that would be hard to do as a wolf.
 
The one time I played with genny she came in late and only posted a few times and was wolf but from what I've gathered here idt that's AI for her. is that right?
 
Errrr I'm about to walk my dog tbh so I will probably not be around for close, sorry
However my spicy take after initially liking his Clem pressure is that Santy is actually scum
Yeet Santy
 
Thunal33 said:
There were some later moments where I really liked your takes, like thinking that series of posts from Santy was towny and I think your response to the Clem sus was pretty good. I also think you've been moving the thread forward in a way that would be hard to do as a wolf.
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I feel like I’ve been floundering, don’t have strong stances and would be easy to see as wolfy from someone who doesn’t know me.
I dunno, makes me nervous. The easiest way to pocket me is village read me when I feel like I’m not doing well in my own game.
 
samac said:
I feel like I’ve been floundering, don’t have strong stances and would be easy to see as wolfy from someone who doesn’t know me.
I dunno, makes me nervous. The easiest way to pocket me is village read me when I feel like I’m not doing well in my own game.
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eh, I don't actually see hedging/not having strong stances as wolfy. I sure know I do it and a lot of villagers do
 
samac said:
I feel like I’m just riding a wave being interested in moon or PSV but like I said I would vote her today unless she’s howling.
I want to hear thoughts on genny.
@Animal Midwife @Santygrass ??
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genny is firmly neutral for me. She looks better if PSV is scum but <12 hours is too small a frame for me to see her progressions at this point.
 
Clem J said:
Fwiw if thun is town I'm probably sheeping her reads tomorrow, she's very good
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1. Feel like this implies Thunal's likely to die in a kind of TMI'y way? I think the votes were me/Thunal/PSV tied at 2, so not low odds of death if day ended there, but I wasn't gonna let the votes sit like that until EOD, and I doubt anyone else was, either. The other option is that Thunal dies overnight, of course...

2. Feels like an early time to say this in general. Why not wait to say this until Thunal's actually dead and you just do it? Seems pockety. (Not that I'm disagreeing that Thunal's a good player necessarily, although I don't have enough experience with her to say it with this confidence. It can still be true and pockety, IMO.)

3. April did get this ping, which was that an announcement to sheep comes off as deferring responsibility. (I'd also agree it's off and unexpected generally.)

4. I'm adding Clem's sassy reaction of "but you're voting her!" I didn't think of it initially, but yes, that's also strange. Like, "I will help kill you because I think you're scummy, but also you're a good player and I'll sheep you if town"? I'm not sure I'd say this under any circumstance tbh. Which is kinda why this post/possibly Clem in general is not an easy read for me, lol
 
moonstermash said:
1. Feel like this implies Thunal's likely to die in a kind of TMI'y way? I think the votes were me/Thunal/PSV tied at 2, so not low odds of death if day ended there, but I wasn't gonna let the votes sit like that until EOD, and I doubt anyone else was, either. The other option is that Thunal dies overnight, of course...

2. Feels like an early time to say this in general. Why not wait to say this until Thunal's actually dead and you just do it? Seems pockety. (Not that I'm disagreeing that Thunal's a good player necessarily, although I don't have enough experience with her to say it with this confidence. It can still be true and pockety, IMO.)

3. April did get this ping, which was that an announcement to sheep comes off as deferring responsibility. (I'd also agree it's off and unexpected generally.)

4. I'm adding Clem's sassy reaction of "but you're voting her!" I didn't think of it initially, but yes, that's also strange. Like, "I will help kill you because I think you're scummy, but also you're a good player and I'll sheep you if town"? I'm not sure I'd say this under any circumstance tbh. Which is kinda why this post/possibly Clem in general is not an easy read for me, lol
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This feels like manufactured Sus to me from someone who I think knows Clem. It is not TMI to say you’ll sheep someone tomorrow that’s like saying it’s tmi I wouldn’t read the champs game and imply I would do it later - like omg would I know I’m going to be alive?!

You do know Clem right?
 
samac said:
This feels like manufactured Sus to me from someone who I think knows Clem. It is not TMI to say you’ll sheep someone tomorrow that’s like saying it’s tmi I wouldn’t read the champs game and imply I would do it later - like omg would I know I’m going to be alive?!

You do know Clem right?
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I wouldn't say I know Clem that well tbh. IDK that we've played a lot, and I think some of my experience playing/speccing has been with Nanook, who honestly feels like a different player than Clem. (But they are the same and I'm not just misremembering, right?) Also I have an idiosyncratic memory, so if I haven't played with someone a ton or latched onto them for some reason (like with you having a Lexie Grey icon, makes me want to town read you always), I usually just have a vague sense of someone.

My vague sense is that Clem is more of a wildcard player. Hence why I didn't snap vote him despite having 3 pings on him in one post. I'm not sure they're relevant, and also my general sense of wolfing is that they probably wouldn't be so bold D1? (The PSV lock town felt bold as well, mostly where my slight town lean on him earlier came from.) Doesn't apply as much to players like Clem of course, but still, my read on him is conflicted/uncertain.

And I don't think you're understanding what I'm calling TMI. From that post, it seems to me like Clem knows Thunal is town/is going to die.

Feel free to disagree, but none of this is manufactured.
 
Feel like I should vote PSV for self-pres, but that probably leads her to vote me for self-pres, and I can't do nothing about that. So I'll just stick on my biggest sus as my legacy. Also, Santy is my top town.
 
Day 1 PLANT VOTE TALLY

[1] Clem J - Aprilthearab
[3] moonstermash - Animal Midwife, Thunal33, samac
[0] samac
[1] Santygrass - potentialsheltervet
[0] Animal Midwife (AM)
[2] potentialsheltervet (PSV) - Santygrass, genny
[2] Thunal33 - Clem J, moonstermash
[0] genny

Vote closes TODAY at 8pm EST/5pm PST, 7/6/24 (~26 minutes).
Note that this game has no hammer vote. Everything is pure deadline/plurality.
 
moonstermash said:
Feel like I should vote PSV for self-pres, but that probably leads her to vote me for self-pres, and I can't do nothing about that. So I'll just stick on my biggest sus as my legacy. Also, Santy is my top town.
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So you’re okay with going over today?
 
moonstermash said:
Feel like I should vote PSV for self-pres, but that probably leads her to vote me for self-pres, and I can't do nothing about that. So I'll just stick on my biggest sus as my legacy. Also, Santy is my top town.
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You still have ~20 minutes. That aside, it's always pro-village to self-prez unless you're >99% certain that PSV is both town and a stronger role than you.
 
Thunal33 said:
@Clem J random thought: if you plan on sheeping my reads why d1 vote me? I get having sus on me but if you think my reads will be good enough to sheep (which they may not be in a new place, but that's beside the point) why not consider giving me more time to make them?
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I think you're mafia more than I think you're town so "more time to make them" isn't much of a consideration, particularly when I care most about your d1 reads anyways
 
moonstermash said:
1. Feel like this implies Thunal's likely to die in a kind of TMI'y way? I think the votes were me/Thunal/PSV tied at 2, so not low odds of death if day ended there, but I wasn't gonna let the votes sit like that until EOD, and I doubt anyone else was, either. The other option is that Thunal dies overnight, of course...

2. Feels like an early time to say this in general. Why not wait to say this until Thunal's actually dead and you just do it? Seems pockety. (Not that I'm disagreeing that Thunal's a good player necessarily, although I don't have enough experience with her to say it with this confidence. It can still be true and pockety, IMO.)

3. April did get this ping, which was that an announcement to sheep comes off as deferring responsibility. (I'd also agree it's off and unexpected generally.)

4. I'm adding Clem's sassy reaction of "but you're voting her!" I didn't think of it initially, but yes, that's also strange. Like, "I will help kill you because I think you're scummy, but also you're a good player and I'll sheep you if town"? I'm not sure I'd say this under any circumstance tbh. Which is kinda why this post/possibly Clem in general is not an easy read for me, lol
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I actually thought the opposite, that he thought I would live and sheep my reads while I'm alive.

why bother to hold your reasons to get reactions anyway? it didn't seem like a reaction test or that you'd get any value out of it.
 
samac said:
It’s very Clem though isn’t it? Am I misremembering Clem?
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It's extremely on brand yes

Also on brand for people to side eye it, hence my canned responses
 
samac said:
So you’re okay with going over today?
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I guess? I really only joined so this would run, take me to tot tbh.

But there's also the voice saying, "If you're a townie, fight!" Maybe I'm too sleepy to answer it :shrug:
 
Thunal33 said:
I actually thought the opposite, that he thought I would live and sheep my reads while I'm alive.

why bother to hold your reasons to get reactions anyway? it didn't seem like a reaction test or that you'd get any value out of it.
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Oh no I meant if you die and flip town I'll posthumously sheep your reads lol
 
Clem J said:
I think you're mafia more than I think you're town so "more time to make them" isn't much of a consideration, particularly when I care most about your d1 reads anyways
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Okay. I think that's a mistake (both scumreading me and relying on my d1 reads bc I think of myself as a mid-late game player) but I get it more.
 
Animal Midwife said:
What's your range for now?
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My range? Idk probably 80 I guess? I've never reappear golfed but I feel like with a bit of practice I could probably hit 80 yards, that's a pretty bad drive right?
 
Thunal33 said:
Okay. I think that's a mistake (both scumreading me and relying on my d1 reads bc I think of myself as a mid-late game player) but I get it more.
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The first is possible but the second I actually think your reads d1 tend to be quite solid, if you have countermanding data I'm open to being wrong tho
 
samac said:
It’s very Clem though isn’t it? Am I misremembering Clem?
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I have played very little with Clem and it's been very very long since I have, so I'm not sure what is within his metas
 
Thunal33 said:
I actually thought the opposite, that he thought I would live and sheep my reads while I'm alive.

why bother to hold your reasons to get reactions anyway? it didn't seem like a reaction test or that you'd get any value out of it.
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I guess I just wanted to see if anyone else had similar reactions to me before answering (and at least April did, so that's something). It wasn't like a scum gotcha test or anything, more of a town gotcha maybe? (I suppose, having said that, I would be fine sheeping Santy on April being town.)
 
samac said:
I feel like I’m just riding a wave being interested in moon or PSV but like I said I would vote her today unless she’s howling.
I want to hear thoughts on genny.
@Animal Midwife @Santygrass ??
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Gth towny but too little content for the read to hold water.

Im still in DnD session and just remembered that there is only 20 min til close wowee
 
Thunal33 said:
any scumreads that aren't me?
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Nothing worth mentioning

I have trs on psv santy [maybe genny but not super confident] and someone else I'm forgetting, I wanna say April tho
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
Day 1 PLANT VOTE TALLY

[1] Clem J - Aprilthearab
[3] moonstermash - Animal Midwife, Thunal33, samac
[0] samac
[1] Santygrass - potentialsheltervet
[0] Animal Midwife (AM)
[2] potentialsheltervet (PSV) - Santygrass, genny
[2] Thunal33 - Clem J, moonstermash
[0] genny

Vote closes TODAY at 8pm EST/5pm PST, 7/6/24 (~26 minutes).
Note that this game has no hammer vote. Everything is pure deadline/plurality.
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April what are you doing still on Clem smh smh
 
Clem J said:
The first is possible but the second I actually think your reads d1 tend to be quite solid, if you have countermanding data I'm open to being wrong tho
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maybe. I'm thinking of my recent turbo play which you haven't seen, this is the first time I've been town in a long game in almost a year so I might not even remember when my reads were accurate.
 
unyeet moon

this feels very different from her getting heat in champs.
 
Animal Midwife said:
You still have ~20 minutes. That aside, it's always pro-village to self-prez unless you're >99% certain that PSV is both town and a stronger role than you.
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I suppose. And maybe I'll Beetlejuice her if nothing else?

unyeet Thunal

yeet PSV
 
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