Which ones? Those are usually programs that no one's grandma has ever heard about, and most US grads would never dream of applying to them. It's not like PDs are having wet dreams about filling up their spots with half of the third world physician workforce, while in the meantime hundreds of qualified, well-spoken HMS grads without visa issues are banging at the door begging them for interviews.
It’s ironic that only DO students including yourself are answering this lol
Again. I will say that the « top » DO students from my school and others that I know of have matched into good programs that have traditionally been open to DOs - those with several DO students on their roster already. Maybe these programa have people who weren’t too students. We don’t see that many going into top specialties that weren’t former AOA sites. Yes you might have a few going to plastics wherever and they are breaking down barriers - that’s cool. But there aren’t many. As in I can count on two hands maybe. And from what I remember there are like what 30 ish schools. Let’s say each school is capable of producing 2 great candidates - as you mention >260+ boards whatever. We should have anywhere from 60-70 in the pipeline at the best residencies in the nation. This is not the case obviously. So explain that?
Just from a quick search:
The gestalt on SDN from our wise resident colleagues is that a high # of IMGs implies that the place is either malignant and/or a sweatshop.
But some of these are University programs.
They are probably getting $$ under the table somehow too. Getting residency in the US as an IMG is almost impossible. I am always shocked at how we DOs we complain about IMGs taking spots when the DO bias is a larger problem. And yes, these places are probably (and unfortunately) sweatshops but they give people from other countries opportunities to be doctors here. Just fyi - Kingsbrook is in Brooklyn and tons of people would love to work in Brooklyn so I'm sure it is not an issue of finding applicants.
That would not surprise me one bit
From what I've learned here on SDN, I was under the impression that University IM programs were the best programs if you want to keep your options open for fellowships later. I guess I was wrong.
One thing that I've learned from our SDN colleagues is that you have to talk to the experts (IM residents and attendings) to learn who is good, and who isn't. The mere name of a program doesn't mean anything.
Are these FREIDA numbers or did you go to the program website and calculate?
