There are strong DO applicants too lol! They will never know this bec they filter them out before looking at everyone else. Stop being a dirtbag
Except that they aren’t « opening « up. The DO merger will benefit MD students moreso than DO students. There are still. Many MD programs that openly discriminate against DOs (Jefferson, Mass gen, NYU) than there are DO specialty programs that discriminate against MDs.
I think you misunderstand him. NYU gets applications with everything these DO students get AND they didn't go to a questionable school so they don't need to interview DOs at all. There is nothing wrong with that. The issue is really when **** MD schools are matching well above the local DO schools with equal students. Happening in my state. That's an actual issue.
Here’s the problem. MD programs can and will be able to discriminate because they use the stupid excuse of « taking the best candidates possible » when we know this isn’t true (they filter out all DOs, IMGs-except from European programs). Don’t tell me there isnt a DO capable of NYU lol. Of course eventually they will probably take a token DO every decade. In any case, it is hard to prove that they are discriminating so they will be allowed to get away with it bc they have for so long. DO programs on the other hand will have a more difficult time proving that they are not discriminating against MDs Bc when they don’t have don’t have any on their roster..well..everyone starts asking questions bc of course DOs are « inferior » and how is it you can’t receuit one gold star MD..?
Nope. I’m calling it what it is..discrimination.. I repeat ...DO schools have strong candidates too.
Why should Harvard chance it? They wouldn't on a ****ty MD school grad either. Read the rosters to see for yourself.
We are going to have to agree to disagree here. You all are saying the we should open up the gates to our programs with "osteopathic recognition" yet you are ok with places like NYU continuing to filter out DOs. That's not how it works. The reason that programs have decided to go with osteopathic recognition is because they know in part that the discrimination will last beyond this merger.
That was before the new DO school explosion
I am not just blaming top programs. These are just examples that are well known to people on sdn. The bias is everywhere. There are a handful of programs that choose Caribbean MDs over DOs but not as many as the programs that filter out DOs. As for top MDs - they will do well and that is known. Lets talk about top DOs vs MD students that are in the bottom of their class. The MDs in the bottom of their class will almost always fare better.
So you mean undergrad pubs... because there probably aren't ANY DO faculty members publishing in Nature let alone enough for multiple of your classmates to have multiples of them lol. Again, you are seriously underestimating the apps of the applicants to these programs.
I didn't look through it, is it just the PD survey? Because even for the ultra competitive specialties DO schools are a better option.
You caught me trolling. I’m so ashamed...
Well at least from what I've heard from the PDs at the residency programs associated with the only MD school in my state, our new DO school will offer better candidates than the IMGs they usually end up accepting into their programs.
Nope - actually you are completely wrong. Top DO students match into good programs that usually take a decent amount of DO students to begin with. But if we are talking top top programs - 1 maybe 2 a year will match. Overall an MD student near the bottom of their class will have a better chance of matching into a top program than a DO student at the top of their class.
First and foremost, because residency programs are created with taxpayer money for US grads, not for foreign grads. There's a push going on right now supported by the AMA and the AOA trying to implement a rule that would require PDs to consider US grads before IMGs.
I don't think much energy will need to be spent in that as eventually IMGs will be pushed out with the exception of European/and probably some south Asian schools. There is too much growth in MD and DO schools that there just won't be enough room for everyone.
I mean, our top applicants matched plastics, ESIR at Baylor, and before that IR at a very DO unfriendly place and ACGME Derm... not many DOs in those programs... and it doesn't matter if it's a former AOA program, an ortho/ENT match is still an ortho/ENT match. I'm not talking tip top programs, the top DO students match competitively i.e. specialties, and sometimes even programs, not really open to bottom of the class MD students.
Not regularly you haven't. To get into the top IM programs you need a step score >240, pubs, rotation honors and either AOA or to be from a top 20ish school.
Guess what? They already do.
You are right..N=2 for me. But I can tell you what you said ^ is not the rule for MD students.
I've been looking at residency programs on Freida with close to 50% IMGs. Not all places consider US grads over IMGs.
You might be an "expert" on SDN and have a few MD friends but it is different when you don't go to their school. So no, you don't know like students who are actually MD students. I can tell you, a lot of the crap that people talk on SDN about the school I attend is just junk. But I know since I go there. It is easy to sit in our armchair as DO students and guess at what is going on.
Some of the PDs come from international or offshore schools so they have bias towards their own and some do it for whatever reason. Everyone on IMG forums knows Conrad Fischer and that his IM program is bias towards IMGs. He even teaches at a DO school but his program does not have any DOs from what I heard. It is what it is. Until the AOA or some authority puts their foot down, this is the way it will be for the future.
I was just casually reading this thread all stoic deep in meaningful thought and then i read your username and just about laughed my a$$ off. 11/10 needed that thank you
So your n=1 is more powerful than other peoples n=1? You do realize youre arm chair posting on sdn just like anyone else? Not to mention its quite provable to make an argument against your statement if you just cherry pick the top 5% of matches from the DO schools and compile them onto a list and compare them to the bottom quartile students from a low tier MD school? No ones trying to say DOs match better than MDs on average, but cherry picking top DO students 260+ multiple pubs and a smart app? Yeah they can match quite well, they cant match anywhere. But they still match very well
Damn lol, you got me. This is why I shouldn't SDN so late.