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Would you do it again or send your kid to Podiatry school?
Would you do it again or send your kid to Podiatry school?
Yes I would do it again because I like the work and I have built myself a good thing here, but I would do it a little differently. I would NOT have hired on as an Associate for another small group (what a mess). I would NOT have refinanced my student loans after Residency.
May I ask what you would have done differently? (thanks)
Would you do it again or send your kid to Podiatry school?
Would I do it again?... I'll get back to you tomorrow after Justice Roberts decides whether or not the government take over of medicine is going to procede.
This thread isn't so much depressing as it is pointless. My parents are both teachers. Both of them told me not to go into education because of all the hoops you have to jump through now a days, only to be unfairly compensated for your hard work that seems to never be appreciated by the parents of your students...now doesn't that sound familiar????
It's more a matter of having intimate knowledge of your own profession. You see all of the problems and nothing changing anytime soon. Your buddy seems to have a great gig from your point of view, but little do you know that he hates his job too.
Bottom line: a good job is still a job and work is work?
and will definitely send my kid to DPM school or any other medical professional school.
Of course, if somehow you could become a retired race horse who's only job is to be studded out to stables across the country...well, then there is no such thing as greener grass
I don't know. Have you seen some of those mares? Brrrrrr.
Pretty sure when you're a horse you don't have to look em in the eyes...
We are service providers--in the same line as chiropractic.
Traum said:Be a NP, PA, or CRNA. Pay is 6 figs to start, and always needed.
Traum said:The world has changed, and podiatry has not.
All the training means nothing, the training is not governed by LCME, ABGME, nor is a ABMS speciality. Are students FT in the hospital MSIII and IV? I/Os, lytes, putting in lines, ABGs, sub-I to the intern, etc.. acting in exactly, exactly the same capacity as MD students governed by LCME?
The fact that medical/nursing staff sees "Podiatry Student-name tag" can mean you are branded, and may receive lesser training, "you "don't need this you're foot students", or training does not encompass medical students training.
Why not merge with Cornell, NYU, OHSU, Case Wastern--think we all know the answer....
Being a mini-quasi-orthopod is not what america needs--more PCPs--(MD/DO, NP, PA---PCPs). How many folks are really going to pay out of pocket (cashola) for hammertoes, bunions, and heel pain--when their teeth are rotting, breast ca, bloody sputum, etc...where does the 11yr trained foot and sometimes ankle surgeon fall in line with reality? We need more PCPs, not mini orthopods that are an enigma to many docs, and lay people.
Do you complete an ABGME surgical internship prior to doing ankle and foot surgical residency?
Podiatry/DPM, remains an enigma, can you prescribe, huh, what? and that odd triad --DPM, is urecognized, and devalued as a physician. It is a service provider, and ancillary--military classifies with speech pathologists, audiologists. Not the med corp (MDs, DOs, DMD/DDS). where are thou DPMs-what, huh? DP-what?
PAs, NPs, and CRNA fresh out get job offers b/w 106-120K. maybe in springerville they make 60K gross, and that is embarrassingly low for a PCP--as defined by ACOs.
Are head hunters and recruiters knocking down the door for that newly minted ankle and foot surgeon? with real job offers in cities (not in the wop wops), not a 1099 associate eeking out a living or playing patsy.
Thank you for living with reality (negativity), but that's the real world, and knowing what you don't know.
Many, pediatric students, and DPMs don't know, what they don't know. Therefore, accept more of nothing, promises, proclamations, famers/masters/lifers and others who are enthuisastic and maybe well intentioned but are ignorant.
Maybe it's time to make a few changes in podiatric medicine to enhance its presence in the evolving healthcare environment. The concept of integrating the USMLE I and II along with core clinical clerkships akin to allo/osteo programs was floated last summer. This didn't materialize. The degree change to PMD would have been a nice change because it would reflect the evolution of the field. There have been advances in the profession which have unfortunately gone unnoticed. Maybe reevaluating these things would attract more attention from older, jaded, and/or, disenfranchised practitioners would increase membership in national and state associations as well as donations.
You know how you get MD's to take you seriously (which I think a majority do anyways)? Prove it to them when you work with them as a resident or attending. Continue to advance podiatric literature/research, surgical/wound care/limb salvage techniques, etc. It's not going to happen overnight by simply changing around some letters and taking a test. DO's did it. It took time. It took attracting a higher quality applicant. Be patient and work hard in the mean time. It will come.
While I personally don't believe taking the USMLE is the correct solution (at this point) for increasing "legitimacy" (other folks' words, not mine) of podiatry, I wouldn't complain if they made us take it. Here is the problem with the USMLE
It would hurt perception of our education more than it would help at this point. Pod student pass rates would be atrocious, due to the quality of student we currently attract as well as our curriculum. You could not afford to waste a semester's worth of courses (and even more than that at some programs) on LEA, Pod med, Pod surg, Biomechanics, etc. And people often forget about Part II (which we would also now be taking). Goodbye to 90% of your pod rotations in 3rd and 4th year...which is basically all of your rotations in 4rd and 4th year. So before anyone talks USMLE, they better talk universal curriculum change (which they have not been as far as I know).
As for the degree change, I personally don't care. If it makes old timers feel better about themselves/our profession then fine, change it. Anyone with half a brain in medicine will realize it doesn't change anything as far as our current education and training is concerned. And more importantly, patients have no idea we aren't MD's anyways...we could put "BFD" behind our names and the general public would not notice, nor would they care. PMD? Sure, whatever helps you sleep at night.
I'm not 100% sure on this but although they are primarily concerned with california programs, I believe all schools are being examined for comparison purposes.Is this for Western and Samuel Merritt or for all podiatry schools?
lol, what about BFF? or WTF?
on this note, I thought i'd let traum know that last week our dean told us that the allopathic COA, CMA "task force" that is evaluating podiatry school curriculum is quite impressed at our level of education.
lthough these things are not important to you now as students when you get into practice and you're name is searched on the internet you will not under the current system provided by the NPI, be identified as podiatric physicians, rather as podiatric service providers.
tenaciousplus said:This database is used by Medicare and most insurance companies