Is it possible, we are unmatched for this year and can be pulled from the advanced residency as well?
I did match for an advanced residency, but wouldn't object to re-entering the match next year.
Yes. The match is legally binding. However, you must be physically able to actually start your residency on time. From the NRMP match agreement (Section 5.1):
Each such appointment is subject to the official policies of the appointing institution in effect on the date the program submits its rank order list and is contingent upon the matching applicant meeting all eligibility requirements imposed by those policies.
So, if you don't complete your PGY-1 by June 30th, they can technically void your contract.
Intern years are required for the advanced spots. So yes, you would probably get pulled. The PD's next year may question you why you didn't get an intern year since there are so many prelim med or surg spots. It might be a red flag.
It will be a red flag, simply because if it happens again, your PGY-2 PD will be short a resident. As part of your application / interviewing process, you will need to be clear why you didn't match PGY-1 (i.e. I didn't apply to enough programs, etc). Alternatively, you could simply not mention that you even matched the first time. No where on the ERAS application does it ask about prior matches, so (in some ways) you wouldn't be lying. You never started. Be aware that an alert PD could ask, or could look up your match history online -- if so, you'll look like a fool and probably get dropped. My best advice is to be honest.
can i call my advanced PD today and ask for help? I know where I matched advanced as I know the city and I ranked only one program there...
Is it a match violation if I call them today?
Not a violation, you should clearly call.
Good grief, tell me about it.
Over half of the prelim medicine spots disappeared RIGHT when the scramble started. That is complete BS. EVERYONE is violating the rules.
Exactly. Last night we all saw stats saying 89 spots in IM prelim. This morning, NRMP list said 41. WTF?? 😕
41 programs with 89 open slots. Some programs have more than one slot. People are not violating the rules. There are many more applicants in the scramble than spots, and PD's can't wait to see if "better applicants" apply later. It's first come, first served. Hence the possible new scramble plan proposed by the NRMP. Interestingly, the new scramble plan could give added weight / emphasis / priority to advanced matched applicants -- I'll personally mention that to the NRMP folks.
thanks for reply. i will try to contact them tomorrow as well. ask if they can manage anything and ask about surgery prelim.
anywho, lets keep posting any info....anything might help.
one more thing...when would they drop you if couldnt help you out with prelim slot....
Your advanced match is contingent on you being present and ready for work on July 1, 2010. Thus, you have until July 1, 2009 before you really have a problem. If you can get a PGY-1 before then -- even if you get one in July or Aug -- then they may simply hold your spot for you.
If you were to get a PGY-1 very late -- let's say January -- then still all is not lost. There is SOME chance that they will take you with only 6 months of PGY-1 work. They could start you as a PGY-2 Neuro in July, and then once your neuro training is done, or anytime beforehand, you could make up the 6 months of PGY-1 work.
Legally, after July 1, 2009, if you don't have a PGY-1 spot, they can start the match waiver process.
