question regarding # unmatched US applicants

[apps-suck]

sorry, i realized I probably shouldn't have posted this in the other the other thread...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gfunk6
FYI, in the 2009 Charting the Outcomes Match document let us compare Dermatology to Rad Onc:

Derm
338 Positions offered
567 Applicants
1.7 Number of applicants per position

Rad Onc
156 Positions offered
179 Appicants
1.1 Number of applicants per position

Not very competitive. What else has 1.1 applicants/position? Internal Medicine and Pediatrics . . .

Just a bit of a reality check. Hard to call something over-rated when there are not exactly tons of applicants applying for every position.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkWelch
Actually the data on charting outcomes is misguiding. the total spots are not 156. Look at http://www.nrmp.org/data/resultsanddata2009.pdf

The total spots were 141 + 15 ( for first year rad onc instead of a prelim yr). Of the 141, 5-7 spots were not truly available since some programs like duke, mt sinai pulled out of the match but their spots were still counted. So truly there were probably around 135-137 spots. I don't know why the charting outcomes decided to club the advanced and categorical spots together.

Secondly, the interesting piece of statistic is the avg step scores of people who did not match. derm and plastics is 232 followed by rad onc at 231 the only 3 specialties above 230. Lastly, look at the probability curve. Plastics, derm and rad onc are the most competitive.
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so 13 US senior applicants did not match, according to this
http://residency.wustl.edu/medadmin/...6?OpenDocument

however here it says 21 US seniors did not match
http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2009v3.pdf

Does this mean 8 US seniors were able to successfully scramble into open rad onc spots? Am I understanding these stats correctly?

this is pretty encouraging, i dont think I'm in the bottom 13 applicants nationally

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[radonc]

for the most part your analysis is correct except for the fact you didnt account for the following:

the # of applicants does not include those that applied for both radiology (or anything else) and radiation oncology but matched into the former specialty (would guess 10% of the apps at least). Nor does it include the # of positions by people who transfer out of other specialties, or from the military (several a year by my estimate).

radonc still prob has a lower # of apps per position than does derm. however it is competitive b/c potential applicants self select themselves out and the people that apply are in the top of their class (boards, research, aoa, etc) just like derm.

sorry, i realized I probably shouldn't have posted this in the other the other thread...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gfunk6
FYI, in the 2009 Charting the Outcomes Match document let us compare Dermatology to Rad Onc:

Derm
338 Positions offered
567 Applicants
1.7 Number of applicants per position

Rad Onc
156 Positions offered
179 Appicants
1.1 Number of applicants per position

Not very competitive. What else has 1.1 applicants/position? Internal Medicine and Pediatrics . . .

Just a bit of a reality check. Hard to call something over-rated when there are not exactly tons of applicants applying for every position.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkWelch
Actually the data on charting outcomes is misguiding. the total spots are not 156. Look at http://www.nrmp.org/data/resultsanddata2009.pdf

The total spots were 141 + 15 ( for first year rad onc instead of a prelim yr). Of the 141, 5-7 spots were not truly available since some programs like duke, mt sinai pulled out of the match but their spots were still counted. So truly there were probably around 135-137 spots. I don't know why the charting outcomes decided to club the advanced and categorical spots together.

Secondly, the interesting piece of statistic is the avg step scores of people who did not match. derm and plastics is 232 followed by rad onc at 231 the only 3 specialties above 230. Lastly, look at the probability curve. Plastics, derm and rad onc are the most competitive.
]

so 13 US senior applicants did not match, according to this
http://residency.wustl.edu/medadmin/...6?OpenDocument

however here it says 21 US seniors did not match
http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2009v3.pdf

Does this mean 8 US seniors were able to successfully scramble into open rad onc spots? Am I understanding these stats correctly?

this is pretty encouraging, i dont think I'm in the bottom 13 applicants nationally