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I'm trying to decide whether to interview there. Seems like the program has great pathology, high volume, good didactics, and it's in an awesome location (i.e. close to Red Rocks for climbing - I could care less about the casinos). I've done a search and read all the old threads.

How are traumas run at the Vegas program? I had heard from someone who rotated there that surgery runs traumas like they have been used to doing for a long time before the EM residency began, and there is not much for the EM resident to do. Is this true?
  • Is trauma separated out such that you only see major trauma if you are rotating on the trauma service?
  • Does surgery come down for alerts (less severe stuff) as well or only for activations (major trauma)
Don't mean to give the impression that it's all about trauma. Honestly, I prefer complicated medical patients but I want good trauma resus training as well. I have done all my visiting rotations in places where EM runs trauma and Surg hangs out in the back of the room. Will Nevada be different?


On a different note, how often are consultants called? If a knee needs to be tapped, a fracture reduced, or a transvenous pacer placed - who does these procedures?


Thanks for your input

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I've talked with the division chief and program director. The Traumas at UMC are run by the surgeons when it meets code criteria (i.e. high speed, fall from ladder 15 feet, etc). The vast majority are "Alerts" and are run exclusively by the ED attendings. The number they quoted me was 70% of all the trauma is seen by the ED attendings only. In the trauma codes ED still manages the airway.
 
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New program, have they got it together yet??:D
 
Hello,

I'm a second year resident at the Vegas EM program now and would be happy to answer your questions since I just finished consecutive months on Trauma and Trauma ICU. Right off the bat
I totally agree that we have great pathology, high volume, good didactics, and an awesome location.

Firstly I'd like to address the trauma anesthesiologist comment brought up earlier. We rotate with anesthesia as first years and they teach us many pearls on airways and we have a great relationship with them. During all trauma activations (see below) the ED resident gets the airway and the anesthesiologist serves as a back up function, which is nice to have. Ideally, there is always back up in a critical situation while you are given independence as a resident. I have rotated for 2 months on Trauma Surgery, one month on Trauma ICU, and about 6 months on EM and have NEVER had my airway stolen by anyone else, so that above comment by the med student on "sometimes" we get the airway from anesthesia is totally off base.

There is a free standing trauma center at the program's primary hospital in Vegas (University Medical Center). This trauma center is one of the busiest in the nation and one of a handful of free standing centers in the country.

There are 2 versions of trauma there: activated and non-activated.

There is an ED attending and resident(s) in the center 24 hours a day.
All non-activated trauma will go to this group. Now the out of area transfers are not usually activated no matter how sick they are and critical patients will still go directly to the ED team. I've admitted C-spine fractures, bad IC bleeds, etc from this team. The non-activated traumas are the majority of trauma in the country and you will get tons of reductions, conscious sedation experience, and wound care experience, i.e. bread and butter EM.

Activated traumas include most penetrating trauma among other things. Here the Trauma surgery resident team is paged once EMS calls the trauma center. There are a number of times that EMS beats them there and at that time the ED team takes care of the initial stabilization of the patient. The rest of the time there are 1 or 2 EM residents on trauma surgery and they have airway dibs, do reductions, etc. As a senior you will be the one running the traumas on Trauma surgery.

After stabilization from any team, all critical patients go to the Trauma ICU where the ongoing resuscitation (blood, ffp, vent/medical managemt) goes on. Here most of the time a second year ED resident is on the team. This is a great learning experience.

In terms of experience the ED residents at my program do a total of 3 months of Trauma Surgery and one month of Trauma ICU. These months are a ton of fun and you have unbelievable experiences that you will never forget. Also, every ED month we do shifts in the Trauma center with the ED doc and get experience on the bread and butter traumas that 99% of ED docs actually see all the time.

We get tons of intubations on ED, Trauma, Trauma ICU, MICU, etc. We also cover emergent tubes in the entire hospital 24 hours a day and we get a ton from this source too. This is not a training area to be concerned about in my program.

You asked about tapping a knee, reductions, and transvenous pacers. I've done all of those in the ED already too and we never call a consultant for these procedures. The ED attendings here mostly trained at large county centers like ours and have an impressive range in terms of procedural experience.

And lastly, yes, we've got it together just fine and it's a blast over here.

Any other questions please feel free to post. If you want to ask them without a public setting feel free to go to lasvegasemr.com and look me up and shoot me an email.

DM
 
As a sidenote it's also an awesome place to live. You can do pretty much anything 24 hours a day and that's nice for ED docs since our "off hours" can be totally random.

Red Rock is beautiful out here and a lot of avid outdoors people love it here for that reason. We also have Mt. Charleston within 30 minutes or so from the hospital and we go up there for an annual resident retreat and it's stunning up there too. Nearby skiing is also available and when you get a weekend, a trip to anywhere in so cal is also easy to do.
 
LVEM - Thanks a lot for your well thought out comments. I appreciate you taking the time to give us the inside info
 
No problem. Also, I received some questions about ultrasound and our general relationship with surgery as well via private posts and should probably cc them to you guys. Here's the response:

We have a great relationship with surgery here. The two chiefs of the ED and Trauma Surgery trained together and are close friends. Training in the Trauma ICU was amazing. You get tons of lines, chest tubes, etc. There's an abundant amount of work and you'll get plenty more than you need believe me. The attendings teach quite a bit and are enthusiastic about teaching. I feel like I mastered the vent that month in all its modes.

Ultrasound here is also great. Our ultrasound director gives amazing didactics with spectacular imaging examples and anatomical correlations.

We have a dedicated ultrasound rotation as well and upgraded to a spectacular scanner that has high quality imaging and we save the scans on jump drives and present them at conference/during presentations.

Any more questions keep them coming here or via my email that you can get at lasvegasemr.com as above.

DM
 
Hello All,

I am also a resident in the LV program. I have to agree with all that has been mentioned by my co-resident. Just to be certain there is no misunderstanding, EM residents are in charge of the airway in all activations. That has been my experience. In fact, the trauma attending will make sure we as EM residents are in charge of the airway. The anesthesiologists are also aware of this and so it has not been an issue. You will manage more airways here than perhaps at any other program.
Likewise, you won't be hurting for procedures either. I will reiterate by stating that the pathology here at UMC is absolutely incredible. Furthermore, there are more procedures available as a result and the residents are not fighting for them. As an example, the medical students have had chances to perform multiple intubations and lines as the residents were busy performing their own procedures.
I can continue to tell you more about my experiences but I would be repeating exactly what my co-resident has already stated. As said earlier, if you guys have any questions just get in touch with us. The website once again is www.lasvegasemr.com and it has our contact info. listed.
Good luck to everyone on interview season and the match!
 
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