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So I keep hearing that the USMLE is changing and I'm not sure what this means. Has the exam changed in 2019 so far?

My friends who are preparing for Step 1 said that the NBMEs or UWorld are not an accurate predictor anymore since they've replaced 5 out of the 6 current NBMEs...can anyone comment on this and what it means for future test-takers? Thanks in advance!
 
Well I'm currently studying for Step1 in my dedicated period. I can tell you my Gestalt impression from trying to read all the tea leaves. I'll put the body of the rant into a spoiler tag cuz its long.

#1 thing of interest is this big recent push to switch USMLE to pass/fail, like the Bar exam works for law licensing. The idea is that it was never meant to be a selector for clinical residency training, and its abuse for this purpose has started causing problems. Namely, it's caused medical students to ignore valuable prep for the wards/their faculty led coursework, in favor of spending all their time on Anki flashcarding and Qbank questions. So there was a big convention in Philadelphia a few weeks ago where all the main players (NBME, AMA, AAMC, etc) got together to discuss. A summary recommendation draft is expected in the next couple months. You can check out their page on USMLE over here: www.usmle.org/incus/?#timeline

In short, it might be that in a year or two the USMLE reports things differently, perhaps by quartile or even fully by Pass/Fail. On the other hand they might tell all these organizations of med students & faculty to go to heck, and instead keep the scaled system at the behest of residency directors.

#2 thing of interest is the recent retirement of the old practice NBMEs, with the rollout of a few new ones to replace them. This is supposedly because the old ones had lost their predictive validity. Of note surrounding all this is that there was new leadership as of a year or two ago, so there may be a shift in priority on how people are tested. For example, cutting back on rote recall questions about esoteric enzymes, and instead focusing on application of principles like reading basic imaging or EKGs.

#2.a - the NBMEs are, statistically speaking, very differently composed than the actual Step 1. To get an average predicted score (230) on an NBME you need to hit more than 80% correct. In other words, the tests are so easy, they compress the entire top half of the curve into a handful of questions, such that an average student (230) and a top end student (255+) are only differentiated by about 1/8th of questions. The real step 1 has a much lower average percent correct, allowing for a much better bell curve and many more differentiating questions between the low end, middle, and high end. In short, this means the NBMEs are not that useful for a lot of high performing students and feel extremely different to take. One big impact this has is training people to take their sweet time because the NBME prompts are so short and straightforward and you can't afford to make any errors. Then people get to the actual step1 and feel like they got hit by a train and barely managed to finish (or didn't even finish some blocks), because of how much longer and more difficult the average questions are.

#2.b - Uworld lets you see the percent getting each question correct, and there's a really interesting trend. Questions that can be answered by having a flashcard memorized tend to get absolutely dominated by modern med students. E.g. I just had a question today that asked about which sub-protein of the histone complex is the one outside the core (answers were like Histone Protein 1, Histone Protein 2, Histone Protein 3...)

~80% of people got this correct. Absolutely blew my mind that such a vast majority knew this off the top of their head. What principle is this testing? Who cares. It's in zanki. Gotta know it.

Meanwhile, questions that can't really be flashcarded and require reasoning through a system - e.g. "which of these conditions would cause the following change in this Cardiac Output vs End Diastolic Volume plot" - will have a minority answering correctly.

It really seems like the rise of Anki/Sketchy/Pathoma/Boards&Beyond/obsessive step preparation from the first day of school, has fundamentally changed the game of preclinical medical education (arguably, for the worse). Students are cramming far, far more information into their heads than ever before, but potentially at a loss of time spent understanding the underlying systems.

Ironically, the likely response from the USMLE is going to be to start testing more understanding and less knowledge...if they keep reporting a scaled score at all, that is. I've seen recent high scorers say that only half a dozen of their 280 questions were "first aid facts" and the other 98% was applying fundamentals. I believe them. The days of buzzwords and nice direct NBME type stuff is gone. You're no longer going to get a vignette that starts with "20 year old athlete collapses on the field..." where you can glance at the answers and smash Hypertrophic Cardio without bothering to read the rest. Instead, you're gonna get some long vignette based on a rare hereditary syndrome nobody has ever heard of, where you get a few key EKG findings and they ask you to derive from that which ion channel is mutated.
TLDR:

If the exam or how we experience it truly is changing, and I think it is, the summary of what to expect is basically:

1) You absolutely must nail any factoid recall question, because a lot of students are straight up memorizing 24,000+ flashcards (Zanki) and they will know it. Always.
2) The test writers have to protect their bell curve distribution. In response to the above, they could go for even more esoteric knowledge checks. Or, more likely, there will be a lot more very challenging questions that can't be put on a flashcard. Expect a lot of graphs, imaging, up-and-down arrow tables, and questions that they know will be unfamiliar territory to everybody that they want you to get through via identifying and applying basic principles.
 
So I keep hearing that the USMLE is changing and I'm not sure what this means. Has the exam changed in 2019 so far?

My friends who are preparing for Step 1 said that the NBMEs or UWorld are not an accurate predictor anymore since they've replaced 5 out of the 6 current NBMEs...can anyone comment on this and what it means for future test-takers? Thanks in advance!
Are you in med school yet? If not, you shouldn't worry about the details of the Steps until you actually get there. Despite all medical students' collective complaints about how school administrators suck, I can guarantee you that they they constantly have a finger on the pulse of what's going on USMLE-wise and they will adjust accordingly. If you're getting ready to start school this fall, you should worry more about your immediate next steps which are: study strategies that work for you, meal plans, and your first exam.

When it comes time to study for Step, forget about score prediction (as much as that's possible). Look at your percent correct and the individual categories. Did you get 70% correct overall but missed all the biostats and histo/cell bio questions? Then you should study those a little more. Use the exams to get an idea of what the actual NBME will be like. Also, the NBMEs and UWorld will never be a great predictor for all test takers. Everyone uses those resources differently and you don't know what will happen on exam day.
 
Well I'm currently studying for Step1 in my dedicated period. I can tell you my Gestalt impression from trying to read all the tea leaves. I'll put the body of the rant into a spoiler tag cuz its long.

#1 thing of interest is this big recent push to switch USMLE to pass/fail, like the Bar exam works for law licensing. The idea is that it was never meant to be a selector for clinical residency training, and its abuse for this purpose has started causing problems. Namely, it's caused medical students to ignore valuable prep for the wards/their faculty led coursework, in favor of spending all their time on Anki flashcarding and Qbank questions. So there was a big convention in Philadelphia a few weeks ago where all the main players (NBME, AMA, AAMC, etc) got together to discuss. A summary recommendation draft is expected in the next couple months. You can check out their page on USMLE over here: www.usmle.org/incus/?#timeline

In short, it might be that in a year or two the USMLE reports things differently, perhaps by quartile or even fully by Pass/Fail. On the other hand they might tell all these organizations of med students & faculty to go to heck, and instead keep the scaled system at the behest of residency directors.

#2 thing of interest is the recent retirement of the old practice NBMEs, with the rollout of a few new ones to replace them. This is supposedly because the old ones had lost their predictive validity. Of note surrounding all this is that there was new leadership as of a year or two ago, so there may be a shift in priority on how people are tested. For example, cutting back on rote recall questions about esoteric enzymes, and instead focusing on application of principles like reading basic imaging or EKGs.

#2.a - the NBMEs are, statistically speaking, very differently composed than the actual Step 1. To get an average predicted score (230) on an NBME you need to hit more than 80% correct. In other words, the tests are so easy, they compress the entire top half of the curve into a handful of questions, such that an average student (230) and a top end student (255+) are only differentiated by about 1/8th of questions. The real step 1 has a much lower average percent correct, allowing for a much better bell curve and many more differentiating questions between the low end, middle, and high end. In short, this means the NBMEs are not that useful for a lot of high performing students and feel extremely different to take. One big impact this has is training people to take their sweet time because the NBME prompts are so short and straightforward and you can't afford to make any errors. Then people get to the actual step1 and feel like they got hit by a train and barely managed to finish (or didn't even finish some blocks), because of how much longer and more difficult the average questions are.

#2.b - Uworld lets you see the percent getting each question correct, and there's a really interesting trend. Questions that can be answered by having a flashcard memorized tend to get absolutely dominated by modern med students. E.g. I just had a question today that asked about which sub-protein of the histone complex is the one outside the core (answers were like Histone Protein 1, Histone Protein 2, Histone Protein 3...)

~80% of people got this correct. Absolutely blew my mind that such a vast majority knew this off the top of their head. What principle is this testing? Who cares. It's in zanki. Gotta know it.

Meanwhile, questions that can't really be flashcarded and require reasoning through a system - e.g. "which of these conditions would cause the following change in this Cardiac Output vs End Diastolic Volume plot" - will have a minority answering correctly.

It really seems like the rise of Anki/Sketchy/Pathoma/Boards&Beyond/obsessive step preparation from the first day of school, has fundamentally changed the game of preclinical medical education (arguably, for the worse). Students are cramming far, far more information into their heads than ever before, but potentially at a loss of time spent understanding the underlying systems.

Ironically, the likely response from the USMLE is going to be to start testing more understanding and less knowledge...if they keep reporting a scaled score at all, that is. I've seen recent high scorers say that only half a dozen of their 280 questions were "first aid facts" and the other 98% was applying fundamentals. I believe them. The days of buzzwords and nice direct NBME type stuff is gone. You're no longer going to get a vignette that starts with "20 year old athlete collapses on the field..." where you can glance at the answers and smash Hypertrophic Cardio without bothering to read the rest. Instead, you're gonna get some long vignette based on a rare hereditary syndrome nobody has ever heard of, where you get a few key EKG findings and they ask you to derive from that which ion channel is mutated.
TLDR:

If the exam or how we experience it truly is changing, and I think it is, the summary of what to expect is basically:

1) You absolutely must nail any factoid recall question, because a lot of students are straight up memorizing 24,000+ flashcards (Zanki) and they will know it. Always.
2) The test writers have to protect their bell curve distribution. In response to the above, they could go for even more esoteric knowledge checks. Or, more likely, there will be a lot more very challenging questions that can't be put on a flashcard. Expect a lot of graphs, imaging, up-and-down arrow tables, and questions that they know will be unfamiliar territory to everybody that they want you to get through via identifying and applying basic principles.
There are theories the same thing is happening with the MCAT due to UWorld and more access to resources. Oh well.

At this point would you start advising students to begin studying M1 because the exam is getting more difficult?
 
So I keep hearing that the USMLE is changing and I'm not sure what this means. Has the exam changed in 2019 so far?

My friends who are preparing for Step 1 said that the NBMEs or UWorld are not an accurate predictor anymore since they've replaced 5 out of the 6 current NBMEs...can anyone comment on this and what it means for future test-takers? Thanks in advance!

Did you get accepted this cycle? If so congratulations. Don’t worry about the steps now. Your school is on it and will advise you when appropriate. Nothing at all to be “confused “ about.
 
So I keep hearing that the USMLE is changing and I'm not sure what this means. Has the exam changed in 2019 so far?

My friends who are preparing for Step 1 said that the NBMEs or UWorld are not an accurate predictor anymore since they've replaced 5 out of the 6 current NBMEs...can anyone comment on this and what it means for future test-takers? Thanks in advance!

You may be referring to InCUS, which was an invitational conference held last month in Philadelphia. The website is here. The USMLE probably is changing, although no one yet knows exactly what that means. The impetus for change is the fact that what was originally intended to be a test of minimal foundational medical knowledge has evolved into an all-consuming monster, one that is causing significant harm to medical education and student health. In the past couple of years everyone has reached broad consensus that it's a serious problem, and the time has come to do something about it.

It is almost impossible for any changes to be enacted in the next 2 years, so anyone entering now will likely be unaffected.
 
There are theories the same thing is happening with the MCAT due to UWorld and more access to resources. Oh well.

At this point would you start advising students to begin studying M1 because the exam is getting more difficult?
It has already reached the point where if you plan to be competitive for the highest scoring specialties (e.g. plastics, neurosurg, ENT, derm, ortho, urology, ophtho) you are SIGNIFICANTLY disadvantaged if you wait until dedicated to look at board prep materials. Scoring in the top ~15% these days (a 250+) is pitting you mostly against people who started their step preparations a year ahead of time, if not more.
 
The new norm for small group sessions and mandatory lectures is for people to tune out and sit there grinding obscure flashcard knowledge in Zanki on their phones. For people aiming at the high end, time spent learning from their faculty about actual relevant clinical decision making is an opportunity cost they can't afford. Knowing the name of the enzyme that creates sorbitol leading to diabetic lens damage is a lot more likely to get you a board point, rather than knowing what the expert guidelines say about frequency of ophtho screening in diabetic patients. It's sad but true, students need those high scores. Hate the game not the players.
 
The new norm for small group sessions and mandatory lectures is for people to tune out and sit there grinding obscure flashcard knowledge in Zanki on their phones. For people aiming at the high end, time spent learning from their faculty about actual relevant clinical decision making is an opportunity cost they can't afford. Knowing the name of the enzyme that creates sorbitol leading to diabetic lens damage is a lot more likely to get you a board point, rather than knowing what the expert guidelines say about frequency of ophtho screening in diabetic patients. It's sad but true, students need those high scores. Hate the game not the players.
How long has this trend been going on? I feel as those types of students will have a more difficult time in intern year...
 
It has already reached the point where if you plan to be competitive for the highest scoring specialties (e.g. plastics, neurosurg, ENT, derm, ortho, urology, ophtho) you are SIGNIFICANTLY disadvantaged if you wait until dedicated to look at board prep materials. Scoring in the top ~15% these days (a 250+) is pitting you mostly against people who started their step preparations a year ahead of time, if not more.
By starting a year early are you recommending memorizing zanki/lightyear starting M1?

I know many students at my state school who don't attend lecture and use pure BB with lightyear starting M1. Is this recommended? Plus watching lectures online of course to do well enough in classes?
 
By starting a year early are you recommending memorizing zanki/lightyear starting M1?

I know many students at my state school who don't attend lecture and use pure BB with lightyear starting M1. Is this recommended? Plus watching lectures online of course to do well enough in classes?
At that, what is the about of overlap between pure third party services and in-class lecture/tests? Can you get by at a ranked pre-clinical doing just third party?
 
The new norm for small group sessions and mandatory lectures is for people to tune out and sit there grinding obscure flashcard knowledge in Zanki on their phones. For people aiming at the high end, time spent learning from their faculty about actual relevant clinical decision making is an opportunity cost they can't afford. Knowing the name of the enzyme that creates sorbitol leading to diabetic lens damage is a lot more likely to get you a board point, rather than knowing what the expert guidelines say about frequency of ophtho screening in diabetic patients. It's sad but true, students need those high scores. Hate the game not the players.
I've started doing this in Uni already unfortunately when it comes to pre-reqs relevant to the MCAT. It's gotten to the point where we can't even holistically learn because in doing so we are harming our chances at good scores on standardized exams.

Granted the MCAT can't compare to Step but the effect is trickling down to university students to the point where it's becoming more of winning a game and less about gaining knowledge.
 
At that, what is the about of overlap between pure third party services and in-class lecture/tests? Can you get by at a ranked pre-clinical doing just third party?
I mean they're missing a few points here and there on exams but for the most part there is a ton of overlap from 3rd party to information relevant to classes. I'm not in medical school, just talking about experience from friends who are currently M1. I'd say overlap is about 80% from the experience I've heard of friends.

It might harm rankings slightly but I mean losing a marginal amount of rankings over a lower step score is really the discussion that should be had.

My school state school is p/f with AOA if I'm not mistaken.
 
The new norm for small group sessions and mandatory lectures is for people to tune out and sit there grinding obscure flashcard knowledge in Zanki on their phones. For people aiming at the high end, time spent learning from their faculty about actual relevant clinical decision making is an opportunity cost they can't afford. Knowing the name of the enzyme that creates sorbitol leading to diabetic lens damage is a lot more likely to get you a board point, rather than knowing what the expert guidelines say about frequency of ophtho screening in diabetic patients. It's sad but true, students need those high scores. Hate the game not the players.

I'm just happy that Step 1 forums have answers for a lot of these things:

 
It has already reached the point where if you plan to be competitive for the highest scoring specialties (e.g. plastics, neurosurg, ENT, derm, ortho, urology, ophtho) you are SIGNIFICANTLY disadvantaged if you wait until dedicated to look at board prep materials. Scoring in the top ~15% these days (a 250+) is pitting you mostly against people who started their step preparations a year ahead of time, if not more.

Yeah, but if you’re doing well in your pre-clinical courses and don’t just learn and purge, you really are starting your prep ahead of time.
 
The new norm for small group sessions and mandatory lectures is for people to tune out and sit there grinding obscure flashcard knowledge in Zanki on their phones. For people aiming at the high end, time spent learning from their faculty about actual relevant clinical decision making is an opportunity cost they can't afford. Knowing the name of the enzyme that creates sorbitol leading to diabetic lens damage is a lot more likely to get you a board point, rather than knowing what the expert guidelines say about frequency of ophtho screening in diabetic patients. It's sad but true, students need those high scores. Hate the game not the players.

That's sort of the point of having the different steps. Step 1 is very basic science heavy vs the later ones focus more on diagnosis and management.
 
Yeah, but if you’re doing well in your pre-clinical courses and don’t just learn and purge, you really are starting your prep ahead of time.
I really don't think doing well enough in classes is enough since we have a forgetting curve.

Without spaced repetition we risk forgetting things we did well in in past months.
 
Doing well in classes and using spaced repetition throughout M1-M2 year are not mutually exclusive.
Does the material between blocks/systems/whatever overlap enough that you will/can use information from previous sections in the context of new material?
 
How long has this trend been going on? I feel as those types of students will have a more difficult time in intern year...
Fairly recent, I think zanki just came out a couple years ago and brosencephalon was a couple years before that. Pathoma wasn't out until 2013 I believe and Boards&Beyond was like 2015? The faculty are all pretty bewildered, I think this came out of nowhere at them in less than a decade.

And which would you rather be, less prepared on your medicine internship for Derm, or not have been able to match Derm at all? Most prefer the former.
 
By starting a year early are you recommending memorizing zanki/lightyear starting M1?

I know many students at my state school who don't attend lecture and use pure BB with lightyear starting M1. Is this recommended? Plus watching lectures online of course to do well enough in classes?
I don't care for flashcarding myself but within a matter of months I learned to completely abandon the school curriculum in favor of doing all my learning from Pathoma and Boards and Beyond. I'm in a pass fail curriculum and the overlap is more than enough to still comfortably pass. I never had to retake any exams despite never watching a single lecture during all of M2.
 
Yeah, but if you’re doing well in your pre-clinical courses and don’t just learn and purge, you really are starting your prep ahead of time.
But which is better -

learn class material well so you cover a big chunk of step --> still dealing with a bunch of unfamiliar stuff in dedicated

vs

learn step material well so you cover most of class materials and still easily pass classes --> be already completely familiar with all of First Aid, Pathoma, Sketchy before even starting dedicated
 
How long has this trend been going on? I feel as those types of students will have a more difficult time in intern year...

As I'm coming up on the end of intern year, I disagree. I think the key function of medical school is really to expose you to the breadth of modern physiology, pathology, and treatment options. You won't remember most of it by the time you get to intern year, but you will know that it's out there. Having command of a lot of intricate details is fine. M3 and M4 is where you start to see how clinical medicine works, and intern year is where you learn to actually doctor on people.

Honestly, now having gone through it and with the advantage of hindsight, I think that the bulk of the effort of first and second year should be focused on preparing for Step 1. Do enough lecture material to comfortably pass, but extra effort should be dedicated to Step 1 material if you can. If you can't do both, then certainly focus on being around average in your class. But a 250 on Step 1 and middle ranking is better than a top 10% ranking with a 230.
 
Well I'm currently studying for Step1 in my dedicated period. I can tell you my Gestalt impression from trying to read all the tea leaves. I'll put the body of the rant into a spoiler tag cuz its long.

#1 thing of interest is this big recent push to switch USMLE to pass/fail, like the Bar exam works for law licensing. The idea is that it was never meant to be a selector for clinical residency training, and its abuse for this purpose has started causing problems. Namely, it's caused medical students to ignore valuable prep for the wards/their faculty led coursework, in favor of spending all their time on Anki flashcarding and Qbank questions. So there was a big convention in Philadelphia a few weeks ago where all the main players (NBME, AMA, AAMC, etc) got together to discuss. A summary recommendation draft is expected in the next couple months. You can check out their page on USMLE over here: www.usmle.org/incus/?#timeline

In short, it might be that in a year or two the USMLE reports things differently, perhaps by quartile or even fully by Pass/Fail. On the other hand they might tell all these organizations of med students & faculty to go to heck, and instead keep the scaled system at the behest of residency directors.

#2 thing of interest is the recent retirement of the old practice NBMEs, with the rollout of a few new ones to replace them. This is supposedly because the old ones had lost their predictive validity. Of note surrounding all this is that there was new leadership as of a year or two ago, so there may be a shift in priority on how people are tested. For example, cutting back on rote recall questions about esoteric enzymes, and instead focusing on application of principles like reading basic imaging or EKGs.

#2.a - the NBMEs are, statistically speaking, very differently composed than the actual Step 1. To get an average predicted score (230) on an NBME you need to hit more than 80% correct. In other words, the tests are so easy, they compress the entire top half of the curve into a handful of questions, such that an average student (230) and a top end student (255+) are only differentiated by about 1/8th of questions. The real step 1 has a much lower average percent correct, allowing for a much better bell curve and many more differentiating questions between the low end, middle, and high end. In short, this means the NBMEs are not that useful for a lot of high performing students and feel extremely different to take. One big impact this has is training people to take their sweet time because the NBME prompts are so short and straightforward and you can't afford to make any errors. Then people get to the actual step1 and feel like they got hit by a train and barely managed to finish (or didn't even finish some blocks), because of how much longer and more difficult the average questions are.

#2.b - Uworld lets you see the percent getting each question correct, and there's a really interesting trend. Questions that can be answered by having a flashcard memorized tend to get absolutely dominated by modern med students. E.g. I just had a question today that asked about which sub-protein of the histone complex is the one outside the core (answers were like Histone Protein 1, Histone Protein 2, Histone Protein 3...)

~80% of people got this correct. Absolutely blew my mind that such a vast majority knew this off the top of their head. What principle is this testing? Who cares. It's in zanki. Gotta know it.

Meanwhile, questions that can't really be flashcarded and require reasoning through a system - e.g. "which of these conditions would cause the following change in this Cardiac Output vs End Diastolic Volume plot" - will have a minority answering correctly.

It really seems like the rise of Anki/Sketchy/Pathoma/Boards&Beyond/obsessive step preparation from the first day of school, has fundamentally changed the game of preclinical medical education (arguably, for the worse). Students are cramming far, far more information into their heads than ever before, but potentially at a loss of time spent understanding the underlying systems.

Ironically, the likely response from the USMLE is going to be to start testing more understanding and less knowledge...if they keep reporting a scaled score at all, that is. I've seen recent high scorers say that only half a dozen of their 280 questions were "first aid facts" and the other 98% was applying fundamentals. I believe them. The days of buzzwords and nice direct NBME type stuff is gone. You're no longer going to get a vignette that starts with "20 year old athlete collapses on the field..." where you can glance at the answers and smash Hypertrophic Cardio without bothering to read the rest. Instead, you're gonna get some long vignette based on a rare hereditary syndrome nobody has ever heard of, where you get a few key EKG findings and they ask you to derive from that which ion channel is mutated.
TLDR:

If the exam or how we experience it truly is changing, and I think it is, the summary of what to expect is basically:

1) You absolutely must nail any factoid recall question, because a lot of students are straight up memorizing 24,000+ flashcards (Zanki) and they will know it. Always.
2) The test writers have to protect their bell curve distribution. In response to the above, they could go for even more esoteric knowledge checks. Or, more likely, there will be a lot more very challenging questions that can't be put on a flashcard. Expect a lot of graphs, imaging, up-and-down arrow tables, and questions that they know will be unfamiliar territory to everybody that they want you to get through via identifying and applying basic principles.

All your posts in this thread are high yield af. Glad I randomly clicked this thread. Now back to my regularly scheduled Zanki.

Hope everything is going well for you in school and life.
 
Will they add more biostats and data interpretation? They basically did that to increase mcat difficulty
 
Will they add more biostats and data interpretation? They basically did that to increase mcat difficulty
Yeah that's been one of the trends, more weirdly worded experiment interpretation that cant be brainlessly plugged into a 2x2 table formula. E.g., asking to interpret receiver operating curves for two different screening tests
 
Step 3 includes a lot of interpretation. They'll present advertisements with data, research articles, etc., and ask you to interpret the data. I could see them incorporating that kind of thing into Step 1.

They have to maintain their grade distribution somehow. It's only getting more competitive. Mastering Zanki and the like are becoming baseline.
 
Step 3 includes a lot of interpretation. They'll present advertisements with data, research articles, etc., and ask you to interpret the data. I could see them incorporating that kind of thing into Step 1.

They have to maintain their grade distribution somehow. It's only getting more competitive. Mastering Zanki and the like are becoming baseline.
It's pretty funny when you look back at the step 1 resources from a decade ago. You have stuff like Goljan saying "Don't worry about recognizing Orphan Annie eye nuclei, that's for pathology boards." Fast forward to present day, and that question would be so easily recognized it would get tossed for having a 90% correct response rate and providing no differentiation of students.
 
Step 3 includes a lot of interpretation. They'll present advertisements with data, research articles, etc., and ask you to interpret the data. I could see them incorporating that kind of thing into Step 1.

They have to maintain their grade distribution somehow. It's only getting more competitive. Mastering Zanki and the like are becoming baseline.
Why are Pre-Meds and medical students so hot headed and competitive? If everyone just collectively agreed to not use these high-yield, low-value resources then things would be so much easier....By everyone memorizing Zanki or what have you, that raises the mean and makes the test harder which just means more effort will be needed in the future...By taking the easy route for ourselves, we rob from the value of future students.
 
Why are Pre-Meds and medical students so hot headed and competitive? If everyone just collectively agreed to not use these high-yield, low-value resources then things would be so much easier....By everyone memorizing Zanki or what have you, that raises the mean and makes the test harder which just means more effort will be needed in the future...By taking the easy route for ourselves, we rob from the value of future students.

Why are they competitive? Your Step 1 score can be the difference between the life you dreamed of as a vascular surgeon in Miami making $600,000 a year and doing pediatrics in Little Rock making $200,000 a year.

Not to knock pediatrics, but the bar to entry is quite a bit lower. Students are "hot headed and competitive" because these things have massive, life-altering consequences.

This isn't Reddit karma we're talking about. It's your career.
 
Why are Pre-Meds and medical students so hot headed and competitive? If everyone just collectively agreed to not use these high-yield, low-value resources then things would be so much easier....By everyone memorizing Zanki or what have you, that raises the mean and makes the test harder which just means more effort will be needed in the future...By taking the easy route for ourselves, we rob from the value of future students.
Nah man we're playing the long game. By getting this obsessed with flashcarding, it appears we're forcing the USMLE to become pass fail, or at least stop reporting exact percentiles.

Future generations will build shrines in their lecture halls for us. We're the generation that sacrificed all our preclinical time to the dark lord Zanki, to send the wake-up call that learning medicine needs to be about mastery of applying useful principles, and not about who can know the most esoteric factoids.
 
Why are Pre-Meds and medical students so hot headed and competitive? If everyone just collectively agreed to not use these high-yield, low-value resources then things would be so much easier....By everyone memorizing Zanki or what have you, that raises the mean and makes the test harder which just means more effort will be needed in the future...By taking the easy route for ourselves, we rob from the value of future students.
Game theory
 
Game theory
I suppose that is a philosophy I have not and will never conform to in education - I am here to learn, not to play the game of scores and numbers.
 
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I think worrying about what Step 1 will or will not cover is a waste of time. Mostly because there's nothing anybody can do with it and you're kind of forced to trust in their score scaling. Sure, they've replaced old NBMEs with several new ones but no matter what version of the test you take, there will be high performers and low performers. That's just the nature of any standardized test. I personally don't think that there is a better way to prepare for the test than being the best student you can be - being a good student necessarily means using both lecture and outside resources to supplement your knowledge of the subjects you're being taught. Anki is a tool to help you recall associations and to stimulate your thought on pathophysiological mechanisms. I think it'll hurt if you use Anki just to make loose associations between facts without understanding the physiology behind those facts.
 
Pre-Meds worrying about Step 1 LOL take the MCAT first...
 
Why are Pre-Meds and medical students so hot headed and competitive? If everyone just collectively agreed to not use these high-yield, low-value resources then things would be so much easier....By everyone memorizing Zanki or what have you, that raises the mean and makes the test harder which just means more effort will be needed in the future...By taking the easy route for ourselves, we rob from the value of future students.

Step 1 scores aren’t a non-linear public good.
 
Tbh I hope it goes completely P/F.

Won’t that just put more emphasis on clinical grades, which are at least partly subjective? Programs need some way to rank and screen applicants. I’d rather have to do well on a test than have my entire career determined by what other people think of me, especially after reading so many threads about people getting evaluated by attendings who barely even worked with them.
 
Tbh I hope it goes completely P/F.
I would too if I was heading into a world class MSTP program. But for students at a brand new school? Or DO students? Or even beyond that, international?

The main way of distinguishing oneself would be gone. The match would be brutal if the only things PDs had to work with were where you trained / who is recommending you. Would become like law schools where the most desired postgrad seats go almost exclusively to students from 15-20 schools
 
Tbh I hope it goes completely P/F.

Explain softly cause most med students here strongly disagree due to likely stronger emphasis placed on school name, clinical years etc. Steps = objective and standardized

I would too if I was heading into a world class MSTP program. But for students at a brand new school? Or DO students? Or even beyond that, international?

The main way of distinguishing oneself would be gone. The match would be brutal if the only things PDs had to work with were where you trained / who is recommending you. Would become like law schools where the most desired postgrad seats go almost exclusively to students from 15-20 schools

Seemingly making Steps P/F would make admissions into top schools even more brutal since top school name would carry a much stronger weight
 
Seemingly making Steps P/F would make admissions into top schools even more brutal since top school name would carry a much stronger weight

Yeah, med school would become the new law school where going to any school outside off the T14 is not recommended because you won’t be able to find a job. There are still more residency spots than graduating seniors IIRC, but it would be a similar situation where only seniors at the top schools would have a shot at competitive specialties and programs. They already have a leg up, but at least someone at an average school has a shot with a great Step.
 
Explain softly cause most med students here strongly disagree due to likely stronger emphasis placed on school name, clinical years etc. Steps = objective and standardized



Seemingly making Steps P/F would make admissions into top schools even more brutal since top school name would carry a much stronger weight
Yeah, med school would become the new law school where going to any school outside off the T14 is not recommended because you won’t be able to find a job. There are still more residency spots than graduating seniors IIRC, but it would be a similar situation where only seniors at the top schools would have a shot at competitive specialties and programs. They already have a leg up, but at least someone at an average school has a shot with a great Step.
Theoretically, the best residencies and best specialties should be going to those who will be the best in those specialties/best doctors, I guess? As it stands, from what I gather as a Pre-MED, performing well on Step 1 does not necessarily correlate with “knowing more” or being “better.” What would be a better way to go about it measuring with objectivity still on a scales system?
 
Theoretically, the best residencies and best specialties should be going to those who will be the best in those specialties/best doctors, I guess? As it stands, from what I gather as a Pre-MED, performing well on Step 1 does not necessarily correlate with “knowing more” or being “better.” What would be a better way to go about it measuring with objectivity still on a scales system?

And school name does?
 
And school name does?
Not at all, that is why I am asking what would be a better evaluation than “Who can most effectively memorize 24,000 flash cards?”

Do y’all think that changing step to be more similar to MCAT style (critical thinking and evaluation, but in the clinical context) would change this?
 
Not at all, that is why I am asking what would be a better evaluation than “Who can most effectively memorize 24,000 flash cards?”

Do y’all think that changing step to be more similar to MCAT style (critical thinking and evaluation, but in the clinical context) would change this?

That's not really what MS1 and MS2 teach you though. Clinical decision making ability is basically nonexistent by Step 1, I think. It's not am easy answer.
 
Tbh I hope it goes completely P/F.
My classmates and I had this same discussion back during the 2nd half of M2. Step 1 is great in that it is one nationally administered test that summarizes/ranks all students across the country on their 1st 2 years of medical school. I liked that way more than 10+ exams over a 2 year period only administered to me and my classmates being sent out and left to the interpretation of residency programs how they viewed my grades at my school.
 
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