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Guys,


I know there was a post about this a few days/weeks back, but I've been searching and couldn't find it. Anyway, I just got into UCSF and am ecstatic. When I visited for the interview, I loved San Fran. My question is regarding application for CA state residency: How does it work? If I apply for in-state residency during my MS1 year, will I then receive a tuition reduction for my MS2 year? Are most applicants for residency approved? I am sure most of the out-of-state students try this technique. Does UCSF frown upon this? Any help would be much appreciated.
 
When did you interview and when did you receive the acceptance?

In response to your question: go to www.ucsf.edu, Academics section and look at the blurb regarding establishing California residency.

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I interviewed on Nov. 20th. I received the letter today (2/20). It took approx. 13 weeks. I'm in CT, and the letter is postmarked Feb. 14th. I'm betting they had a jump in apps this year, so using last year as a benchmark, despite the AMCAS delay, may not be entirely accurate. Friends who interviewed in early Nov heard last round (Jan), if that'll give you anymore of an indication.
 
UCSF recently updated their residency requirements description and it is a little clearer now. I am having issues because I am originally from CA, went to college there but moved in Sept to work in DC for the year, although I legally maintained my CA residency. If they claim that I am not a resident because of a 10 month absence, then I would not be considered a resident anywhere, which doesn't make sense. Although, I heard that if you are graduated from a CA highschool that automatically qualifies you for your in state tuition... that true? I hope they will still count me as a resident, as they did during the application process.

As for becoming a resident, you have to legally switch everything (DL, voting, bank accounts) and live in the state permanently. That is, if you go home the summer between MS1 and MS2, it indicates that you are only in CA for educational purposes and may jepordize your residency claim for year 2 tuition. Most people do make the switch from what I've heard. Hope that helps.
 
I really appreciate how informative current students and applicants alike have been in this thread. It has helped me to be apprised of interview dates, acceptance mailing and received dates and locations. In this spirit, I will (gleefully) add my out of state stats: Interviewed 11/04; Acceptance mailed 02/14; Received in Boston 02/20 (today). I sent an update letter via email. I am needless to say extremely excited and wish everyone waiting the best of luck.
 
Originally posted by jtheater
UCSF recently updated their residency requirements description and it is a little clearer now. I am having issues because I am originally from CA, went to college there but moved in Sept to work in DC for the year, although I legally maintained my CA residency. If they claim that I am not a resident because of a 10 month absence, then I would not be considered a resident anywhere, which doesn't make sense. Although, I heard that if you are graduated from a CA highschool that automatically qualifies you for your in state tuition... that true? I hope they will still count me as a resident, as they did during the application process.

jtheater, I know the graduating from high school in the state doesn't hold true for UC undergrad cuz they screwed my cousin when her family moved to Reno in the midst of first year of college. I am not sure if it holds true for med schools. But I think you will be okay with your residency. I called them several times to talk about this cuz my residency situation got pretty complex and I was on the verge of being a resident of nowhere. I won't post all my tedious details, but I think that given the fact that you grew up here, and I am assuming your family still lives here, you should be totally fine. And if they considered you resident in the application process I doubt they are going to ask for much to prove it. A friend of a friend of mine grew up in CA, went to Harvard for undergrad, stayed and worked in Boston for 2 yrs after college, and applied and got into UCSF as a CA resident using his parent's address even though he had been paying MA taxes for 2 years. All they asked for was his voter registration card. I'm sure if you filed a CA tax return this year on the money you made in D.C. no one would question you at all. That is what I have been doing while out of the state for "educational pruposes" and what a bunch of my friends back East do to maintain CA residency. And if you can call your job "educational purposes," if it's a fellowship or research or something, I think you have no worries. The best advice I got from UC admissions offices was not to tell them anything about your residency status if it is complicated until they ask for it. And I think in your case there's a good chance they won't. Hope that's of some help.
 
i have a question about travel to ucsf...i am trying to find the best way to get into the city from the san francisco international airport...also i am considering staying in a hotel near the airport because they seem to be cheaper...how easy is it to get from the airport to the school...plus if public transportation is not an option how much should i expect to pay a cab...i checked out the websites they suggested but they are a little confusing and not that helpful...any help would be greatly appreciated
 
Originally posted by ComplexPuzzle
i have a question about travel to ucsf...i am trying to find the best way to get into the city from the san francisco international airport...also i am considering staying in a hotel near the airport because they seem to be cheaper...how easy is it to get from the airport to the school...plus if public transportation is not an option how much should i expect to pay a cab...i checked out the websites they suggested but they are a little confusing and not that helpful...any help would be greatly appreciated

There is a public bus, but probably the easiest option is the door-to-door shuttles right outside the terminal (just like they have in DC, though there sometimes public trans. is viable depending on airport...) which run about $12-14. Getting from the airport to the school can take a while, especially if you are caught in traffic. It's much easier/safer-timewise to get there from inside the city. Why don't you dig out that old thread "SDNers willing to host" I think there were some UCSF people on that. Other than that go to hotels.com and you should be able to get a decent priced hotel for SF.
 
Originally posted by ComplexPuzzle
i have a question about travel to ucsf...i am trying to find the best way to get into the city from the san francisco international airport...also i am considering staying in a hotel near the airport because they seem to be cheaper...how easy is it to get from the airport to the school...plus if public transportation is not an option how much should i expect to pay a cab...i checked out the websites they suggested but they are a little confusing and not that helpful...any help would be greatly appreciated

I agree with the boy wonder that the door-to-door shuttles are probably the easiest since the BART link to SFO still is not open yet. But if you want to do it on public transit you would take the SamsTrans BX bus to the Colma BART station and then take BART into the city. I think the bus runs several times and hour and the bus ride b/w the airport and BART is only like 15 minutes. If you were going straight from the airport to UCSF you would take BART to Civic Center, and transfer to Muni, and get on the N Judah line going outbound. Get off on Irving at 2nd ave. at UCSF. Here's the BART site and you can link to the bus schedule from there. And the Muni site too.

http://www.bart.gov/
http://www.sfmuni.com/

And there have been other threads, like in the past month or so, where people have discussed hostels and cheap hotels. The favorite of people who have come to visit me is the Green Tortoise... you can find it with a Google search. It's hella cheap and in a fun location. Good luck and enjoy San Francisco.
 
Hi everyone!
I guess I'm finally back in business! I would check SDN every once in a while, but it would always be done. I also apologize for not answering your private messages. SDN usu. emails me when I get one, but they haven't since they changed the new server. I just wanted to thank everyone for their patience, and my classmates for being such a great and supportive source for everyone!!

AND A HEARTY CONGRATS TO ALL ACCEPTED AND HIGH-PRIORITY (you have a very very good chance of getting in... but as I've said, the list isn't ranked until May 15th so do what you can to increase your chances!!).
=====I will see you at accepted student weekend!! =)

Most of what I would have said has been said, but I wanted to make a few additional comments ... I'm just going to cover a few topics now b/c I'm really tired, but will get the rest tomorrow or so. I made a list =)

1) ROOMIES
I do agree that it is semi-premmature to start looking for roommates not only because most of the class isn't full yet, but because leases in SF are really irregular and strict. In other words, if you are looking for a place now and sign a lease now, you may start having to pay for it now. Posting on SDN, accepted student site (if it's up yet), UCSF housing website has a great bullentinboard (where I found my roommate... I posted an ad, and she responded.. a classmate), craigslist (tho I don't recommend this option as much because... well, just from my experience when I was looking for housing, I tended to get along much better with people who were going to UCSF as well. It's hard for professional studnets to live with business people, etc. sometimes... but then again, sometimes it's a breath of fresh air... Hmmm.. There's some funny people in SF sometimes, and craigslist doesn't screen them out as well. I met some peculiar people through there... But GREAT GREAT place to find apartments, just not my first bet for roommates).

2nd look weekend is a PRIME place to look for roommates! you get to meet them in person and look at the places together!!

As hinted, most people's best bet is to live with an old friend, a classmate, an upperclassmen, or a fellow UCSF student. Good luck!

BTW-I have a great place and may be looking for a rooommate! Mine's getting a condo next year! =)

2) 2nd Look Weekend
Should you go if it's not convenient? If you already know it's your first choice, and you're going to go regardless, don't worry about it. Stay at home. I do promise you it'll get you really really fired up for school and more importantly, introduced to some of the amazing classmates you'll have. It's really the people who make the school at the end, I've happily learned this the last few months. Linking up for roommates is great at this time as I mentioned earlier.

For those not sure about UCSF, I very very very strongly reccomend 2nd look weekend. I've been doing some work with it, and we've been trying to include more opportunities to really fele the student life here and to get to kno us (the students here already) and your potential classmates that are also there with you. We're working on an "underground UCSF" tour, which will show you the campus in more context (with stories, histories, and commentaries from us, candid!!) than when you were on the tour. Some people think our campus is small and limited--we want to prove them wrong!!! =) It's magnificant and rich and bustling!!! Us first years are hosting a party/mixer at one of my classmates place Saturday night after the dinners (which are nice too, we take you out--or order in dinner for you... sign-ups are in the morning, and you can choose to be in a "themed" dinner... URM, Asian, LGTB, etc. ). And on Sunday, some of us will take you to Golden Gate Park just a few blocks away for a picnic lunch--a great great opportunity to see some of hte treasures that would be in your backyard if you go here... and like I've been harping, getting to kno us and your classmates!! I'd like to emphasize here how this optional Sunday event is NOT ON CAMPUS too. We think it's very important that you guys get to kno each other with the pressure of UCSF looming over (you kno what I mean... people are just different on campus sometimes, even after they've gotten in...). =)

SO PLEASE COME COME COME!! It'll be totally awesome!! Any questions--let me kno... and any suggestions--please let me kno so I can get the comments through the committee right away. we're making final touches on the events for the weekend.

3)Letters of intent/updates
In writing all the way, not email. I think it's a requirement even that all you send to UCSF has to be a mailed letter. They don't even take faxes. Besides letters are the level of formality and respect the committee needs =)

4) Clinical Extracurriculars experiences
Sweeties, endless clinics here. Student iniated, student run. In addition to 5th Street, which I want to say has been the very best clinical experience for me, is 6th Street (adj. to the needle exchange center so mostly IVDU patients.. this particular clinic is going thorugh some major changes now tho so we'll see what happens with it =P), and St James Infirmatory (Sex-workers clinic--great place. I should start working there in a few weeks so I'll give an update)... There's this aesome elective (student run, iniated like everything else), U-teach, which many of u may have heard of where you get to know and follow a pregnant mom throughout her whole pregnancy--her appointments, have lunch iwht her, and ultimately be there with her at her delievery (I've had several classamtes who personally delievered the baby as well). Health hut is more directed towards low-income children, but it's an awesome organization that runs health fairs at places such as chinatown (maybe this is what someone was referring to when they said "chinatown clinic?") where you do health screening and prevention... and most importantly, get kids interested in their own health. Endless endless things. This is just a slice of the things, the things I've done personally.

5th street, wanted to give you a story. So last time I went, there was this other classmate of mine (his first time, my second), a second year (who was the coordinator, meaning he signs the patients in and triages them a bit before they see us, my classmate and I), and an awesome preceptor from SFGH. 5th stree clinict, to give you guys more context, takes place inside a homeless shelter.

So my classmate and I interview the first patient togehter since neither one of us have interviewed a patient alone at the clinic. We tkae a history, talk to the patient, and do the physical ourselves! Helping each other fill-in questions and tests that we didn't think about individually. Then the preceptor comes in, and one of us presents a short history and prsents our findings to the preceptor. She then talks to the patient briefly and does a focused physicial exam, pointing out clinical pearls/tips to us as she does the exam.. and making sur ewe hear everytihng she hears (even if we heard it by ourselves earlier, she just wants to describe what we're heairng in more detail and with more clinical context). Then we leave to discuss together what the patient may have. It was a team/discussion setting that started out with her asking ask "so what do you guys think?" After we told her what we thought, and togehter we refined the diagnosis, we went over to the medicine cabinet where she asked us "now how to treat..." Of course, there's a lot we don't know, but she would give us guided questions whenever we didn't know.. and Then we would go talk to the patient about his/her diagnosis, our treatment plan, and acutally teach the patient ourselves about their disease and how to/why the medication.. It was so so awesome to have guided autonomy in such a low-stress environment! My classmate and I divdied up after ht efirst paitnet to do our own and learned so much and had so much fun that night. I'm always excited about going back... =)


**Ultimately, as I've hinted with every experience and elective here, it's all you! Everytihng is student initiated and run. The school takes indepedent and creative students and encourages (and has resources) for you to do whatever you want. It's so easy to do. I've had classmates, in their first year, who are already designing and running electives!! SF also has the best public helath measures (in the whole country) for its citizens so there's plenty of clinics/programs in the city that would be esctatic to have a medical student working there. **

5) Staying in SF
Stay with a student--handsdown! It's free, and most importantly, you can see how it's like to live as a student here... get all the advice you want.... and the student will likely show you around and introduce you to their friends/professors/favorite spots, etc. Well, I do if you stay with me! I'm on the list. =)

6) Letters
My sources on the committee have told me acceptances are sent out mid-month. high priority, waitlist, rejections can be sent out at any time.

7) If you love UCSF, but their love seems unrequitted at the moment...
don't give up!! Keep writing (no more than once a month, tho). Limit calls (they don't like them from what I hear... just write and be thoughtful of what they write). Check prior postings for types on what to write =)

Posting continued... too long!
 
8) URM
Is a huge part of UCSF because as Souljah said, UCSF's main criteria for accepting students seems to rest on how "interesting" the student is. If you got an interview, you definately made the "are your numbers --enough." Notice I said enough, not do you have a 45 on your MCATs and a 4.0 GPA.. Definately definately not necessary. The "interesting" part seems to be critical... Souljah's stats are an objective indicator (most of us took at least a year off, the class is on the older side, etc) , and from my personal subjective view, I'm really not surprised anymore when I find out something awesome and often very unusual that a classmate of mine has done. It's so ordinary in a way, it's really great. Anyhow, this may sound like a tangent to you, but it's not -- URM is a huge part of the diversity in experience that UCSF's greatness rests on... and UCSF knows it too. There's a whole center for diversity, lots of clubs, lots of support systems just for URM, and of course, a lot of recruitment... It'll totally be obvious if you come out for accepted students weekend.

One of the reasons I love UCSF is because of the diversity here--definately the most asians I saw, that's for sure...

***Trust me, if you're URM... no matter prop 270, your chances are better. =) ***

If you need more info, I can have a friend who is a URM write about his/her personal experience. I'm asian and souljah/pagean/kyle are caucasin so we do not have personal experience. Let me know if you want a paritcular race/sex to reply. =)

9) UCLA v UCSF.. things to do in SF These will have to wait.

Keep the questions rolling!
Keep the good news coming!!
and COME SEE US!!

Much love and happy thoughts,

Bien-Aimee Vu
 
Bien, You are the absolute bomb for taking so much time to write and explain all of our questions in such detail!!

Thank you :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
Hi guys,

I have a question for the anyone who might be able to help.

UCSF is my top choice, and I sent a letter of intent back in December. In late January, I heard back from them and was placed on the High Priority List.

I was wondreing if anyone knew how UCSF's ranking of applicants worked. Is this ranking done on May 15th, or is it done on a rolling basis? The reason I ask is because I was thinking of getting my lab professor to write a 2nd letter of recommendation b/c we recently got a lot of results through my work that will eventually be published next year. I was wondering if I should get him to send it closer to May 15th since I will have had the opporutnity to finish more results by then.

Also, to strenghten my application, i was thinking of writing a 2nd letter of intent. Finally, I was thinking of sending another letter of recommendation from my biochem professor in a course I did well in.

If anyone has suggestions, please let me know what you think. UCSF is my top choice, and I'd really like the opportunity to attend.

Thanks!

James
 
UCSF students are great there's no doubt about that!!

However, I have some questions as a VERY nontraditional, URM applicant:

1) On the school's web site, they claim to have housing for students with families. My question is would you REALLY want your family to live there? Although I'm a native of San Francisco, I don't remember anything about area near the school.

2) How flexible is the curriculum? If my daughter came down with chicken pox and I had to be out for the time it took her to heal, in general how willing/helpful would the professors be in helping me to: a) stay caught up (via the internet) while I was gone, and b) get caught up once I returned? Also can students reduce their course load for personal reasons?

3) I'm applying MSTP. Are there any very nontraditional MSTP'ers at UCSF?

I'd also love to hear from students with families.

Thanks in advance!!!!!
 
Aldea, the family student housing, is above the school surrounded by a eucalyptus grove. In terms of whether you would want your family to live there, it really depends on what you think is a good environment for kids. You won't have your own backyard (they're apartments) but the area seems nice, and there is some outdoor space that seems appropriate for kids to run around in. You could also try living in the sunset near golden gate park if you want outside space. The sunset is mostly residential, although there are a few commercial areas, so you can easily get groceries or go to the laundrymat without going far. It's pretty safe. There's not as much homelessness as some of the other less expensive parts of the city. The schools are supposed to be good, but as I understand it, SFUSD does a lottery (you rank your top 5 choices), so there's no guarantee of getting into neighborhood schools. There are two people in our class with kids who live outside the city, but they both had compelling reasons to live where they do. One has a lot of family in their town, and the other had been living in the same house for 8 years, and didn't want to move their family further from their friends and pay more rent for a smaller place just to be near school.

If you needed to take a week off, you could easily keep up via reading the syllabus and using the online resources. As I've seen, they have been pretty flexible for students who needed to be away for family reasons. However, small groups are mandatory attendance without getting excused, and it wouldn't be a good school if your goal would be to do all your learning from home and just show up for tests. Having a sick kid and having to miss a week or so should be fine. They've also been good about letting students take exams late if they had a compelling reason. If you got a week behind, it would be hard to catch up, but not impossible. However, if you are at home, but not really sick yourself, you shouldn't have a problem keepign up. If you do need help, the proffessors and other instructors seem to go out of their way to schedule time to meet with you. Also, you can post questions about the material online, and they almost always get answered within hours by an instructor (and sometimes other students as well.)

One of the MSTP students has a wife and baby, but I think he's in his 20s. He's one of the ones who lives out of san francisco. Other than that, I think all the other students with kids are straight MD.

I don't have kids, so my answers are more factual than from actual experience. I know that a lot of the public schools in SF aren't great, and some are terrible, but if you get lucky in the lottery, there are some gems. There's also private schools, but I'm less familiar with them. How old your daughter is, and when you move to SF will make a difference in terms of her chances for schools. If she's below kindergarden, there's a preschool for kids (I think age 3+) on campus, and a lot of other options, including medical students with kids spouses who are at home and may be happy to earn some money watching yours during class/study time.
 
Originally posted by UCSFgirl
8) URM
Is a huge part of UCSF because as Souljah said, UCSF's main criteria for accepting students seems to rest on how "interesting" the student is. If you got an interview, you definately made the "are your numbers --enough." Notice I said enough, not do you have a 45 on your MCATs and a 4.0 GPA.. Definately definately not necessary. The "interesting" part seems to be critical... Souljah's stats are an objective indicator (most of us took at least a year off, the class is on the older side, etc) , and from my personal subjective view, I'm really not surprised anymore when I find out something awesome and often very unusual that a classmate of mine has done. It's so ordinary in a way, it's really great. Anyhow, this may sound like a tangent to you, but it's not -- URM is a huge part of the diversity in experience that UCSF's greatness rests on... and UCSF knows it too. There's a whole center for diversity, lots of clubs, lots of support systems just for URM, and of course, a lot of recruitment... It'll totally be obvious if you come out for accepted students weekend.

One of the reasons I love UCSF is because of the diversity here--definately the most asians I saw, that's for sure...

***Trust me, if you're URM... no matter prop 270, your chances are better. =) ***

If you need more info, I can have a friend who is a URM write about his/her personal experience. I'm asian and souljah/pagean/kyle are caucasin so we do not have personal experience. Let me know if you want a paritcular race/sex to reply. =)

9) UCLA v UCSF.. things to do in SF These will have to wait.

Keep the questions rolling!
Keep the good news coming!!
and COME SEE US!!

Much love and happy thoughts,

Bien-Aimee Vu

UCSFgirl,

I'm really impressed how you and your colleagues take the time to help us all with all this helpful information. It's really appreciated. I read that UCSF has a Pass/Fail system for the the first 2 years of med school. My question is how do the students know how they rank when applying for residency? Is the ranking system based more on 3rd year or clinical grades?
 
Hi guys!

That's how my responses are going to be like this week. Hopefully my classmates will be trickling in with responses as well. We're in an intense block now (just a week), and the subject matter isn't my storngest suit because it's mostly memorizing anatomy... Anyhoo!!!

Just a quick comment for Neofight on RESIDENCY
Most medical schools are pass/fail these days. You'll see why when you're in school how it cannot be done any other way... You take a bunch of people used to being the best, and pit them against each other when they need each other the most? AAAAAAHH!! Even at UCLA where they have pass/fail... letters of distinction (if you do extremely well), the teamwork and bond between classmates lacks considerably...

Your resdiency application will be based on your evals from clinical years (subjective in a lot of ways), your test scores at the end of your rotation... together these two elements will determine if you get "honors..." Residency directors like to make sure you have at least a few "honors." =) Dean Losher here will compile a letter of your overall performance/activities/visions.. .She'll meet with you beforehand (and you can meet her as many times as you want for anything! She's really kind and makes herself available). There's your letters of rec, as well, which you'll likely get from attendings you got along really well with (who are "professors," not junior faculty... this is preferred because they've worked with more students so their evaluation of you is in context)... and if you took a year off to do research, your advisor there... Like undergrad, but from what I hear, residency directors are more interested in your research and clinical experiences than whether you breed jellyfish =)

On STRENGTHENING APPs (for James)
Ranking is done on May 15. If you flip through this thread, there's a lot of information about ranking, updates, etc. Basically, you can do anything before MAy 15th to increase your chances of a higher ranking. Letters/updates are great--just remember to respect the time of the committee--don't do anyhing that you, yourself would think is irritating. For instance, new letters are great--but only if they say sometihng different from your other letters... Research results, new grades are prime things to put on updates. I wouldn't send in more than one update a month, and again, only if you have things to put on it. At the thing, politely thank the committee and reinterate your interest (lettter of intent part). =) Please ask if you need more help, but I think flipping through this thread will flesh out my answer beyond belief!!


FAMILIES in SF (for path2dr)

I'm a little unclear about what you mean by "very untraditional" but I'll try to address your questions as broadly as possible.

I'm a little more enthus than my classmate Paean about raising a family in Aldea... It's a beautiful, peaceful, and very very safe place. Reminds me of suburbs, but much more idyllic... You have to swing by, it's like no other part of san francisco.. .just way up in the eucalyptus trees behind school. There's play areas and a day care there too. One of my best friends lives there and adores it =)

Schools in SF are above average for the Bay Area. I would not let this deter you from coming here.

=) MSTP students are by defination non-traditional!! They're out of this world brilliant!! Really, though, I think they tend to be on the younger time just becuase of the time committment, but we do have older and URM in the MSTP program. Like applying to medical school - experience, passion for what you want to do with the degree, vision are what grants you a space in the MSTP, not whether or not you are traditional

Lastly, the curriculum was designed for the independent student. It's integrated and contained in the syllabus. I have a handful of freinds who onl go to small group (not a single lecture) and do fine. The support systems, faculty, administration, course directors are extremely supportive and will bend over backwards for every individual's sitaution--I've seen it happen. Tests are reschedules, small gorups can be made up, professors will meet you at a different time to go over things iwth you in lab or from lecture that you need clarification on. It's great. =)!!!


Good luck everyone. Again, I hope to see you!


Hope this helps.

Bien =)

P.S. I kno people have been reminding me about UCLA v. UCSF. It's a long thing so I'll get to it soon.. I want to discuss it with my boyfriend at UCLA a little more to make sure I'm not overexaggerating too =) He likes UCLA a lot fo rhte most part (he's a third year).
 
Thanks UCSF students for the info!
 
I'd also like to thank all the students for their helpful info. I had a question about writing a letter of intent. UCSF is definatly my first choice and I would go there if accepted, but the problem is that I have a scholorship offer at another medical school. I have to matriculate at that school by May 25 in order to hold the scholorship. I am willing to pass up the scholorship if UCSF accepts me, but I am not willing to pass it up if I am not accepted by the scholorship deadline.

So, my question is what should I write in my letter? I don't know if I can say I will withdraw all my applications if accepted because if they accepted me May 26 I will already be bound to another school. Also, about how long is a good letter? I was thinking around a page explaining what I like about UCSF and why I feel that UCSF would be the best school for me. Should I mention the scholorship situation in the letter? Because I basically can only attend if I am accepted outright and i know a lot of people get in off the waitlist.
 
Thanks Bien for filling in more details about Aldea (family student housing). I've spent a lot less time there, and didn't realize they had day care, or see the playground.

I have to disagree, though, about San Francisco public schools. Sadly, they aren't some of the best in the bay area. Like I said, there are some excellent schools, some middle desirability schools, and unfortunately, some really terrible ones. If you have resources, or can finangle a scholarship, there are also a number of excellent private schools.

About pass/not pass. (Just to clarify, althout I think Bien explained it well) Some schools that say there are p/np do still rank students in the first 2 years by their test scores, or give honors. I would encourage you to ask any school you are considering what they mean by p/np, and if your performance in the first 2 years will in any way affect AOA or class standings for your dean's letter. If it does, their grading will be basically the same as letter grades, with the resulting competition and stress. I love being at a true p/np school, or there's no way I would be taking the time to check SDN this week. . . Cranial nerve functions, fascinating, but wow, pages of memorization for friday.
 
Hi everyone!!

Thanks Paean for bring up the internal ranking system. A student on my tour asked me that today, which totally reminded me that many schools keep track of your scores and use them for AOA and when they write you letters for AOA. If I recall correctly, I believe UCLA does that... That's one strike against UCLA =) Hahaha!! (sorry, just a joke b/w my boyfriend and I. UCLA is a great place still! Just different and not for me!).


I wanted to address STi555 's situation briefly because I think it brings up important points about holding schools, the ethics of applying to medical school. Although by May 15, you're only suppose to be holding onto one school, this DOES NOT mean you cannot TAKE A LATER OFFER. Some people keep multiple schools after May 15--I WOULDN'T RECCOMEND THIS. Schools kno, and some will just drop you off their matriuclation list! More importantly, schools that you're waiting school may not consdier you anymore. Recall after May 15, everyone knows where you've gotten in and where you haven't, but no one but you knows where you're waitlisted!! A school offering you a spot is obligated to let the school you're holding know that they're offering oyu a spot (often by email, sometimes by phone), but it's not like the school you're holding onto is going to say no! They don't own you =)

So sweetie, you specifcally. I saw you hold onto the school with the scholarship. Then you write UCSF a letter , no more than a page, expressing to them that they are your first choice school, and eve though you've been fortuante enough to receive a scholarship from X, you would come to UCSF immediately!! So you're not emphasizing the poitn, just dropping it in. From there, talk about why you love UCSF, I guess. why you'd fit... Of course--anything new that's happened, let us know!!! Updates are even more imporant than letters of intent in many situations (b/c a lot of people tend to say UCSF is their first choice, even if it's not). At the end, mention casually, that you would appreciate it if at all possible, they could tell you their final response in a timely manner, only so the scholarship you're holding at school X could be offered to someone else at an earlier time. If they cannot, you understand... Diplomatic, short, sweet. =)

Good luck STi555 ! Good luck Paean (on Heck and necking!)! and Good luck to you all!

Bien =)😍
 
Hey UCSFers, I don't want you guys to take this the wrong way, but here goes.

Okay, I loved the school and the atmosphere when I went during my interview. I just had a question about something though.

I know that UCSF values experience, and unique people to bring diversity to their class. The only thing is, that I don't think I'm that special. I'm 21 (turing 22 in October), a straight-to-med school student, and I haven't really done anything "grandiose" or spectacular.

My question is this. Do you think a guy like me will fit in at this school, if I'm pretty young, and not non-traditional? I know the whole class isn't a non-trad, its just that it seems that everyone has done so many great things, and I don't wanna be the slacker of the class.

Does that seem like a reasonable statement, or am I worrying about nothing? I guess I have to get in first. 🙂

Thanks guys.
 
yeah ... someting i was ponderign as well ucsb1 - but wondering how the social dynamic was effected by it (out of state- dont' know anyone in cali - so someting i'm considering). i'm gonna be 20/traditional student when i start, and an ave age of 26 sounds ... older 😉 i have no prb jivin with older peeps, i just assume that they might come with a diff set of priorities. i imagine its as big a deal as one makes it, but just wondering.
 
Hey guys!
Watch Bien procrasinate!! I hope I don't answer this board MORE now that I have a test on Friday =P Anyhoo, UCSBPre-Med1, man!! You saw me, I love the place, and I'm "perfectly normal." I totally emphasized how diverse the class is on my tour and on this board (over 60% took one or more years).. but remember that the remember 35% or so went straight!! The older people are totally cool.. some hang out with each other or with their families.. some of the younger folks tend to clump, but in general, age ain't nothing but a number. We all sit wherever and when we go up to tha antomy lab, we'll work with whoever is up there and grab dinner in between. It's really no bid deal =)

Us youngsters add to the diversity, anyhoo! The committee has thought about how each 141 of us comtributes something special to the class.. Many of what makes each of us unique, your classmates may never know, you may not even know! Maybe you're the one really really normal person?! Hehe. It's all about perspective. Enjoy!!

Bien
 
I think that there is some of that angst during the first week or so, but after a while, it goes away. I think what you need to remember is that really, most of us do not think we are unique. We just think everyone else is unique.

Like UCSFgirl said, your classmates might not know what really makes you unique unless they dig deep and talk at long lengths. Your fellow classmates do not read your application or sit with you for an hour and probe your desire to be a physician. Things you put in your application (plans for the future, profs opinions of you, etc.) might be what set you apart.

Some of us spend more time hanging out than others. I am married and my spouse works 2 hours away so she spends Mon-Wed night with her mother and then returns to SF on Thursday. As a result, I spend almost all of my time with her when she is here, so I do not hang out quite as much as the rest. I think that the class is large enough for you to find a niche in which to have good friends no matter what your circumstance.

Bottom line, while we have emphasized being unique, that was for the application/interview process, please do not critique yourself after the interview and turn down an acceptance because you think you might be the vanilla flavor.
 
Hi!
Congrats to everyone accepted - what an accomplishment!! :clap:

I'm an Out-of State MD only applicant, so I never thought I had a real shot ... but I just found out I'm on hold for an interview

which is still a bummer, but since its such an amazing school, I really want to capitalize on this

I'm coming to bay area in 2.5 weeks for another interview and so I left another day open in my trip for potential ucsf interview

so now I have to convince them I'm worthy of being interviewed
any suggestions??
should I write a letter/email , to whom should I address it etc.?

any advice would be appreiciated

Also I know its hard to gauge chances, but since my file was complete in Nov. , and they sent me an on hold for interview last week, does that mean they are even seriously thinking about me? Being on a waitlist is one thing - but on waitlist for an interview, do people like that ever make it into the class?

OKay thanks in advance and congrats to those accepted again!
 
Hello eveyone,


I would like to thank all of the UCSF med students for being so open and encouraging on this forum, I truly appreciate it🙂


Iwas just wondering if UCSF sends out post interview rejections before may15th and how they know what other schools you have been accepted to or that you applied to if you did not metion it.


Thank you guys!
 
hi

Do any of you UCSF med student know of successful appeals to the med school? I sort of hesistant to do this, but at the same time, I feel like I can provide a good case for an interview. Plus, what is the harm in trying to appeal to such a dream school as UCSF?
 
Thanks UCSF people for all of the useful information you have posted. I turned in my application a bit late and, as an out of stater, I figured my chances were slim. I was asked to complete a secondary and now I wonder if I can do anything to enhance my chances of getting an interview or if I should just wait it out (my application has been complete for 1 month).

Is it premature at this point to say that USCF is my top choice (barring some drastic change in my life, I am 100% sure that I would go there if I got in) - how does the committee view a statement like this since I haven't officially visited the school?

Thanks for your advice🙂
 
Originally posted by bludeviled

I'm an Out-of State MD only applicant, so I never thought I had a real shot ... but I just found out I'm on hold for an interview

which is still a bummer, but since its such an amazing school, I really want to capitalize on this ...

... and they sent me an on hold for interview last week, does that mean they are even seriously thinking about me? Being on a waitlist is one thing - but on waitlist for an interview, do people like that ever make it into the class?

I'm in the same boat...any advice or opinions on the interview hold status?
 
First, it is important that all of you know that the advice you are seeking is from relatively ignorant first year med students. We each went through the process you are going through last year, but each of us did it differently and so our advice is going to be different and might be inappropriate for your individual circumstance. Please keep this in mind and do not take this as the gospel truth.

bludeviled & medilicious:
Regarding your waitlist for an interview - I might call up and let them know you will be at Stanford (just assuming that is where you are interviewing) and if possible would like to kill two birds with one stone if they will be interested in interviewing you. One thing that the admissions office is empowered to do here is to bend over backwards to fit the interviewees needs if at all possible. I realize that they have not yet offered you one, but I might let them know as nicely as possible that you will be in the area and ...

I can't really say how interested they are in you or not, but hopefully they are not just changing your status for laughs.


Newt:
Most schools tell you that they cannot know what schools you have been accepted at before May 15th (that may or may not be true), but after that date, I believe AMCAS opens up their database and all of the schools can see where the students that they have accepted are holding spots. I think that they can also begin to see where the students that are still on hold with them are holding spots as well. This is done to make sure applicants follow the rules and to make sure that school A communicates with school B before A offers a spot to one of B's students two weeks before classes start.
 
Kyle has it right. I am ignorant, relatively atleast. 🙂
 
Newt,

they did send out post interview rejections before 5/15 last year. I assume they are doing the same this year.
 
Hey guys. I interviewed on Jan. 15 at UCSF. Do you think that it is too early to expect a decision around the 15th of this month?

They did say 8 weeks or longer (and it'll be 8 weeks March 15), so am I being too optimistic, or do I have a chance on a response?
 
ucsb- it took two cycles(months) for me to hear from ucsf, so don't worry if you don't hear immediately. its probably a bit early, but you never know, gluck
 
Well, you said it took you two months, which it has been for me. So I guess its not impossible right?

God, this wait is KILLING me!
 
UCSBPremed,

My friend interviewed on Jan 9th and found out she got in mid February, so hopefully you (and I) will hear this month. I interviewed the day after you (jan 16th). LAATE!
 
Whoa, thanks man! Now I'm gonna be nervous around the 15th!!!
 
First, good luck to those still waiting a response from UCSF. hang in there!

I recently was placed on high priority and was wondering:

1) Of the ~500 people interviewed, how many will actually be placed on high priority?

2) About how many receive post-interview rejections before the waitlist is formed?


3) When the waitlist is actually ranked in May, typically how full is the class already?

Just wondering. Thanx for any info.
 
Originally posted by jabroni
First, good luck to those still waiting a response from UCSF. hang in there!

I recently was placed on high priority and was wondering:

1) Of the ~500 people interviewed, how many will actually be placed on high priority?

2) About how many receive post-interview rejections before the waitlist is formed?


3) When the waitlist is actually ranked in May, typically how full is the class already?

Just wondering. Thanx for any info.

This is not the gospel, but I've heard that the high priority list is composed of about 100 people. Around 180 to 200 acceptances are given. The rest are rejected. Come May 15th, the high priority list gets split into two groups. The first 50 have a very very very good chance of getting in. I'm sure it may change from year to year, but this is just what I have heard. Some of my classmates may be able to better explain the waitlist process. Best of luck.
 
I am back from Los Angeles, and the chilly breeze of SF awaits. At least the air is much cleaner here =)

Thanks to all my classmates for their diligent and thoughtful replies, and thanks to all of you for keeping this thread flowin'!

APPEALS
A lot of people have asked me this, and when I ask people invovled with the admission process, I usu. get mixed answers. The bottom line is, if you've been rejected, appealing isn't going to make things worse. The question remains, how effective is an appeal? It depends how close you were to "getting in," how full the class is, etc. etc. Things you and I cannot possibly kno. So my personal advice to you, what I would do, is write a letter directly to Dr. Ralston, head of the admissions committee. When I was waitlisted (for what seemed like forever), I was advised by several great sources to do so... Seemed like if he were moved by my case, he may pluck it out of the pile and look at it again.

What would I say? Basically that UCSF is my dream school (assuming that it is), and that I really appreciated all the time the committee has put into my application... but because of this and this and that (hopefully some new info... a few words about why UCSF is so important to you specifically and why specially UCSF needs you), you'd be forever grateful if he took one more quick glance at your application and reconsider your status. Be brief--NO MORE THAN A PAGE--and very polite. =) GOOD LUCK!

WAITLISTS
I was on it until June. It's nerveracking, but being on the waitlist is a good thing--means you're not out of the game yet! The number they tkae off the waitlist varies year-to-year. The second years, I heard, had up to 90 people from the waitlist! From what I hear, we were a lot less (maybe 40?). These numbers aren't ever officially released but are heard from people to people so one can never be sure. The point is, if you're told you're on the top half, you have a great great chance =) But remember the list is not ranked until May 15 so work on raising your rank!! =)

Oh, not to discourage you, but when waitlists are formed, the class is typically full already. But remember, people who get into UCSF don't always go here. We lose an equal number to Harvard that they lose to us yearly, for instance.

I kno of peope getting off the waitlist as late as August. Keep the faith!

OUT OF STATERS
At this point, I do have to admit I've heard form reliable sources that there is an out of state, and an in state waitlist.. Before that, I know California residency helps, but unlike other UCs, UCSF and UCLA don't rank it tremedously high so no no worries!!

mightymo --
If you haven't interviewed at UCSF, but kno a bit about the school (esp if you've visited and spent time iwth the students, etc), I don't see any problem about mentioning that it's your top choice at the end of one of your updates... But I personally wouldn't just write a letter ot UCSF saying it was my first choice unless I had something else to say too, yah kno? =)


GOOD LUCK everyone!! I'm going over to UCD and SFSU to talk in the next few weeks so come--I'd love to meet you guys!

***Classmates--if anyone wants to come with me to Davis, let me kno!! **

Bien =)
 
UCSFers, thank you so much for your helpful advice on this thread!

I was wondering if anyone knows whether UCSF will match merit-based scholarships from another top-10 school? Thanks!
 
I am very sad today because I just received a post-interview rejection letter from UCSF. On the one hand, I can't believe I waited 14 weeks for an outright rejection from my top choice (I must have done something unspeakably bad to not even be able to make the bottom of the waiting list); on the other hand, maybe it's time for a change of scenery after living in SF for 13 years. Anyway I wanted to thank all the wonderful UCSF students who have devoted such time and energy to giving wise feedback to confused applicants such as myself. You have made this process so much more bearable, and I'm sorry I will not have the chance to meet any of you. Congratulations to everyone who's gotten in so far, and good luck to all those on the waiting list!
 
Arginine,
You are going to excel wherever you go, and you are going to have a great time doing it. Sometimes things do not turn out how we plan, but that has to happen if anything is to turn out better then we could have ever dreamed. Best of luck to you!
 
Arginine,

I am so sorry to hear that you got turned down. Please don't take it personally, meaning - please don't think that the result occurred b/c you did something terribly wrong. After the interviews are over, there is a lot of discussion, etc. The outcome cannot always be favorable and almost all 500 of the students that they interview are really impressive. Go forward with confidence. I know it is a let down, especially considering that it is your number one choice, but out of 4500-5000 you were on of the 500. That is something to be proud of. I'm sure that you will have some great schools to choose from and maybe getting out of SF for a few years will benefit you in ways that you do not now know. And thanks for the kind words. When I went through this process last year SDN made it a lot easier (for the most part) - so I also appreciated the advice and information that was given by people like Vader and BeckyG.

Keep your head up...and hey...if you want to meet some of our class I'm sure that could be arranged. A Guinness or two may be in order, but in order they shall be.

Souljah.
 
It's only been two weeks since I've interviewed, but I'm getting nervous already. I mean, if there are 500 qualified people, how do they pick? How do the adcoms know that so and so will fit in well with UCSF and another person won't fit in, or won't fit in as well? There's so much subjectivity (is this even a word?) involved. Sigh, that's why the admissions process is so depressing. And while I was at the interview, the financial aid guy told us, "Congratulations for making it this far! As this point, the question isn't whether you'll get into med school, it's where you'll go for med school." That was a real bummer because UCSF is my last hope, and ironically my first choice. ^_^


BananaSplit
 
Hey Arginine,

So sorry to hear that it didn't work out @ UCSF. You're definitely as deserving as anyone here, so don't beat yourself up @ it, esp. when you've done so well with the other UC's! :clap: Congrats on that, btw!

I wish I were holding at least one acceptance by now so that the thought of reapplication doesn't loom over me everyday. Hope you'll be happy wherever you choose.
 
i was just wondering if it is still possible to get an interview...i was put on hold for an interview back in october and i would absolutely LOVE to get a chance to interview there but considering it is already march i don't think i will. honestly, i was wondering when is the latest that they invite for interviews??? i just wanted to know if anyone can help. thanks!!!
 
i would imagine they would start taking people off the hold for interview category soon, if they haven't already begun to do so yet. there are some old threads about this last year that indicate approximately 200 get put on hold, and approx 20 of those get invited for interview. chances aren't good, but it seems like it is still possible since they told us we might not know until april. wish i had more specific info. hopefully someone at ucsf will know if they've started to pull people from the hold pile or if they are going to pull people this year.
 
Everyone,


Thank you for your wonderful words of encouragement. I am slowly equilibrating and learning to see this as a challenge & an opportunity for change, rather than as a setback. I am certain that this comes up quite frequently in the world of medicine: things don't go as you hope, and you must adapt to a new plan of action. And if I matriculate at a UC with an undergraduate campus, I can try out for the cheerleading squad, waving pom-poms, sporting a stethoscope, and cheering metabolic pathways used during rugged team sports:laugh:
 
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