Quick CV questions

[Endoxifen]

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I'm updating my CV for an upcoming application and I have several questions that I was hoping people here could help me with.

1. Should accepted abstracts be under a different section from conference presentations?
2. Should I list conference presentations that my name was attached to, but did not personally present?
3. Is it awkward to have abstracts and papers with the exact same material both listed?
4. How long should a student's CV be? Should I try to make it 1 page or let it go as long as it needs to be?
5. Is it worth writing a two sentence personal description at the top or remove it?
6. Is it worth listing that I help run and maintain a couple multi-institutional patient databases?

Thank you very much for your help!

 

[md-2020]

1. I usually put (accepted) and the conference date in the same section, ordered by chronology. Therefore it is clear that these are accepted but TBD presentations.
2. I and most physician/scientists that I know do, but some apparently don't.
3. No. Most papers were presented at some point prior to publication.
4. Absolutely under 3 pages, ideally 2. Mine is 3 b/c there is no human way I could condense it further.
5. No. Remove it, waste of space.
6. Sure. Under Experience if paid and under Service if not.

 

[Endoxifen]

1. I usually put (accepted) and the conference date in the same section, ordered by chronology. Therefore it is clear that these are accepted but TBD presentations.
2. I and most physician/scientists that I know do, but some apparently don't.
3. No. Most papers were presented at some point prior to publication.
4. Absolutely under 3 pages, ideally 2. Mine is 3 b/c there is no human way I could condense it further.
5. No. Remove it, waste of space.
6. Sure. Under Experience if paid and under Service if not.

Thanks for the help! As to #6, I have a segment of my CV dedicated to health policy and another dedicated to research. Because the databases are used for a variety of purposes, it could conceivable be placed under either. I used/will be using them for research. Should I place it there?

 

[md-2020]

Thanks for the help! As to #6, I have a segment of my CV dedicated to health policy and another dedicated to research. Because the databases are used for a variety of purposes, it could conceivable be placed under either. I used/will be using them for research. Should I place it there?

I'd probably put it under health policy since a Research section I'd tend to put my own research/pubs/abstracts under.

 

[Endoxifen]

Will do!

Oh, sorry to keep asking questions, but I just noticed something weird. Ok, so an abstract was published without my name (or the name of the PI for that matter) and presented at a large international conference. It utilized data that I put together with the first author and my name will be on the final publication and was probably on the actual presentation. Do I list the abstract or not? The first author had my name on the citations list when I asked her for it, but the internet disagrees. What should I do?

 

[Med Ed]

I'm updating my CV for an upcoming application and I have several questions that I was hoping people here could help me with.

1. Should accepted abstracts be under a different section from conference presentations?
2. Should I list conference presentations that my name was attached to, but did not personally present?
3. Is it awkward to have abstracts and papers with the exact same material both listed?
4. How long should a student's CV be? Should I try to make it 1 page or let it go as long as it needs to be?
5. Is it worth writing a two sentence personal description at the top or remove it?
6. Is it worth listing that I help run and maintain a couple multi-institutional patient databases?

Thank you very much for your help!

Agree with everything @md-2020 says except the length part. A CV is not a résumé, and should be as long as it needs to be in order to include all pertinent information. This can create a separate problem, as some people will engage in a bit of puffery to make their CV's seem longer (and more impressive) than they actually are.

 

[Med Ed]

Will do!

Oh, sorry to keep asking questions, but I just noticed something weird. Ok, so an abstract was published without my name (or the name of the PI for that matter) and presented at a large international conference. It utilized data that I put together with the first author and my name will be on the final publication and was probably on the actual presentation. Do I list the abstract or not? The first author had my name on the citations list when I asked her for it, but the internet disagrees. What should I do?

Edit: Do you think I should as Goro or LizzyM?

Don't disagree with the internet.

 

[Endoxifen]

Don't disagree with the internet.

Should I remove the abstract from the CV and keep it under presentations?

 

[Med Ed]

Should I remove the abstract from the CV and keep it under presentations?

If that keeps it congruent with what is findable online, then yes.

 

[md-2020]

Agree with everything @md-2020 says except the length part. A CV is not a resume, and should be as long as it needs to be in order to include all pertinent information. This can create a separate problem, as some people will engage in a bit of puffery to make their CV's seem longer (and more impressive) than they actually are.

I actually totally read the OP as being interested in a resume, not CV. Whoops! Disregard length then. CV's can be very long to include all citations etc. For reference mine is between 8-9 pages and most docs I've seen are pushing 10+ if they are active in research.

I do have some puff as mentioned above though. Some pre-med clinical exp. and involvements such are getting axed in the near future 😉

 

[Endoxifen]

If that keeps it congruent with what is findable online, then yes.

Well, I couldn't find an official program for the presentation online, so yes. Though if they search the title alone, they will just find the abstract.

 

[Med Ed]

I do have some puff as mentioned above though. Some pre-med clinical exp. and involvements such are getting axed in the near future 😉

The classic puffery move is to lump all publications together, which at first glance can make it look like there are more peer-reviewed articles than there really are.

 

[Endoxifen]

The classic puffery move is to lump all publications together, which at first glance can make it look like there are more peer-reviewed articles than there really are.

Wouldn't that hurt you more than help? You would have to be really desperate to risk retribution like that.

 

[md-2020]

Wouldn't that hurt you more than help? You would have to be really desperate to risk retribution like that.

I think it's generally minor enough that even if noticed, it causes little more than a smirk from the reader. What retribution could there be (unless you're claiming credit for stuff you didn't do)?

 

[Endoxifen]

I think it's generally minor enough that even if noticed, it causes little more than a smirk from the reader. What retribution could there be (unless you're claiming credit for stuff you didn't do)?

A scoff and toss into the trash. Or, more likely, placed to the side and under a pile of other CVs.

 

[DameJulie]

1. Should accepted abstracts be under a different section from conference presentations?
2. Should I list conference presentations that my name was attached to, but did not personally present?
3. Is it awkward to have abstracts and papers with the exact same material both listed?
4. How long should a student's CV be? Should I try to make it 1 page or let it go as long as it needs to be?
5. Is it worth writing a two sentence personal description at the top or remove it?
6. Is it worth listing that I help run and maintain a couple multi-institutional patient databases?

My 2 cents:
1. Yes if you have a few of them. But you can combine they if you only have a few entry in each category.
2. I did some research on this topic recently, and I would if you contribute significantly to the presentation (e.g. having your own project presented by somebody else). I haven't applied this rule on any application yet, but I don't see any harm for it.
3. No. I had a poster presentation that eventually turned into a pub. I put them both on my CV.
4. Depends on the purpose. I usually keep it short and sweet since I don't expect my letter writer/employers to spend minutes on my CV. But I do think there's a 10+page version of CV (no sure what is the word for it).
5. It serves a purpose for me. Helps me to identify what each CV is for (some are for jobs, some are for connections, etc).
6. Yes.

 

[Med Ed]

Wouldn't that hurt you more than help? You would have to be really desperate to risk retribution like that.

I usually see this sort of thing from docs who are primarily clinicians and have little history of academic productivity. I consider it more amateur than deceptive.

The real problem is when you find borderline or outright-fabricated elements on a long CV from someone inside academia. That person is likely being deceptive (and should know better). That is why I caution against including anything that is incongruent with what is findable online. It can raise concerns about fraud even if there is an innocent explanation.

I have seen 100+ page CV's, btw.

 

[Med Ed]

4. Depends on the purpose. I usually keep it short and sweet since I don't expect my letter writer/employers to spend minutes on my CV. But I do think there's a 10+page version of CV (no sure what is the word for it).
5. It serves a purpose for me. Helps me to identify what each CV is for (some are for jobs, some are for connections, etc).

An academic CV is a dry cataloging of everything you have done that is pertinent to academia. It's not a résumé. When I receive occasional "CV's" from individuals that begin with a statement of career goal or personal description I assume that the author does not know what sport they are trying out for. For an academic job application that type of personalized information is usually part of the cover letter.

 

[Endoxifen]

I usually see this sort of thing from docs who are primarily clinicians and have little history of academic productivity. I consider it more amateur than deceptive.

The real problem is when you find borderline or outright-fabricated elements on a long CV from someone inside academia. That person is likely being deceptive (and should know better). That is why I caution against including anything that is incongruent with what is findable online. It can raise concerns about fraud even if there is an innocent explanation.

I have seen 100+ page CV's, btw.

What could possibly be in a 100+ page CV? Did they just start listing the movies they like or the names of every deer they've seen?

 

[Endoxifen]

Also, not to keep bogging everyone down, but would you include summer fellowship stipends under grants and awards? It was competitive and I was given $10,000 over my two summers.

 

[DameJulie]

What could possibly be in a 100+ page CV? Did they just start listing the movies they like or the names of every deer they've seen?

Such things do exist! They're usually senior professors who had tons of research publication, many temporary positions, written many books, etc.