Quick questions about FA 2012

[Greenbayslacker]

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[Wolverines83]

Going through the errata, I was confused about a few of their points:

1. Pg 382 - errata says "orotic aciduria is a megaloblastic anemia" -- which one? is it MA caused by folate deficiency, caused by B12 deficiency, or it's own separate MA (caused by orotic aciduria)?

2. Pg. 410 - distortions of the hand - errata says that "claw hand" and "pope's blessing" should be switched -- so is everything else correct in the first two paragraphs, except i should switch "ulnar nerve lesions" with "median nerve lesion"?

3. Pg. 444 - errata says that medial lemniscus lesion causes decreased contralateral proprioception.. but then in the next point the errata says to delete "medial lemniscus.." so is that entire entry just incorrect in FA?

4. Pg. 467 - tuberous sclerosis - it says the "M" in the mnemonic stands for "mental ******ation," not "mitral regurg" -- but there are 2 M's.. and one of them is also mitral regurg.. what??

5. Pg. 547 - errata says that cystadenmos account for 45% of malignant ovarian tumors.. but I thought cystadenomas were benign. If that's the case and they actually meant "45% of ovarian tumors," what about serous cystadenocarcinmoa (which FA says accounts for 45% of ovarian tumors)?

thanks for all your help. FA errata are really confusing the hell out of me and i don't know what to believe some time. i'm trying to go to other sources like robbins for corrections but it feels like search for a needle in a haystack sometimes. thanks again!

2013 is out. I'd buy it if I were you. I think it's a reduced price right now.

 

[MilkIsGood]

What price is the reduced price? I only see it for $49

 

[Wolverines83]

35 w/ amazon prime now but it was $28 or so a couple days ago.

Hey, $35 is still $15 off.

 

[Phloston]

Three reasons to buy FA2013:

1) FA2012 was a horrible book.

2) Always use the newest edition.

3) Maybe they've finally cut down on the errors.

 

[Leon22]

35 w/ amazon prime now but it was $28 or so a couple days ago.

Hey, $35 is still $15 off.

It is about $21 in an Asian country

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

Three reasons to buy FA2013:

1) FA2012 was a horrible book.

2) Always use the newest edition.

3) Maybe they've finally cut down on the errors.

Unfortunately we won't know until July when they post the final final errata (if this year is anything to go by). Will probably be too late for a lot of people.

 

[Old Style Nanny]

Three reasons to buy FA2013:

1) FA2012 was a horrible book.

2) Always use the newest edition.

3) Maybe they've finally cut down on the errors.

Highly unlikely on the third because print errors are beyond anyone's control. No one can say how many of those had crept up in this one. If anything FA2012 is better because it has had at least half a year of error corrections from the medical student fraternity and there was another Conrad Fischer Errata that he "tweeted" near the end of the year. Can't beat that.

 

[Phloston]

It would be a malfeasance to tell someone to buy FA2012. It's 2013 now. Life moves on.

 

[Old Style Nanny]

I believe the OP already has a FA2012. I am saying the disadvantages probably outweigh the advantages of investing in another book that no one knows the accuracy of.

And I think FA for Step 1 has been published every year since 1991. So, if 22 editions could not get rid of all the errors, I doubt that one more is going to. 🙂

 

[Wolverines83]

Buying 2013 makes sense because it takes forever to annotate 2012 (20 pages of errata?) and you end up drawing arrows to switch columns, scratching out words, circling words to move them to different spots, changing labels on pictures, etc. It just makes for a sloppy looking book, plus the mnemonics are incorrect in a lot because they include things that shouldn't be there.

2012 isn't just print errors. It's things like mixing up Crohns and UC; interchanging risk factors for squamous/adeno (but not all risk factors...wtf) etc.

If nothing else, 2013 is a "corrected" version of 2012. But probably still has print errors here and there.

 

[Old Style Nanny]

2012 isn't just print errors. It's things like mixing up Crohns and UC; interchanging risk factors for squamous/adeno (but not all risk factors...wtf) etc.

Were these in the 2012 errata?

 

[OneMoreRound]

Highly unlikely on the third because print errors are beyond anyone's control. No one can say how many of those had crept up in this one. If anything FA2012 is better because it has had at least half a year of error corrections from the medical student fraternity and there was another Conrad Fischer Errata that he "tweeted" near the end of the year. Can't beat that.

lol, what?

Fail.

Were these in the 2012 errata?

I have both 12 +13. I would get 13. I don't even know how this is a debate. They made a good effort to reduce errors in 13 and they made a lot of improvements in the design.

If nothing else, 2013 is a "corrected" version of 2012. But probably still has print errors here and there.

This.

I believe they just tried to correct the mistakes of 2012. It appears they did a good job.

 

[Greenbayslacker]

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[Old Style Nanny]

lol, what?

Fail.



I have both 12 +13. I would get 13. I don't even know how this is a debate. They made a good effort to reduce errors in 13 and they made a lot of improvements in the design.



This.

I believe they just tried to correct the mistakes of 2012. It appears they did a good job.

How sure are you that there are no new errors in FA2013? Did you go through every letter in the book checking for print errors?

I understand the only difference between the two books are minor design changes, embryology location changes and correction of the FA2012 errata. Plus the no guarantee that no new errors have crept up. Did you notice how many errors in FA2012 were due to poor proofreading before print?

 

[withrye]

As I understand it, every issue of FA has had pages upon pages of errata by the time the last one comes out in the summer. Some of the errors even persist from edition to edition. What makes people think, every year a new one comes out, that this year's edition will have fewer errors?

That being said, the book does change and gains more information; owning the newest version is best (when possible/feasible). I don't see the major advantage to going to 2013 if you've already annotated in 2012, your exam is in a few months (i.e. before the full 2013 errata is done), and you've already plonked the money on one version of FA. Don't pay twice for crap value.

 

[OneMoreRound]

How sure are you that there are no new errors in FA2013? Did you go through every letter in the book checking for print errors?

I understand the only difference between the two books are minor design changes, embryology location changes and correction of the FA2012 errata. Plus the no guarantee that no new errors have crept up. Did you notice how many errors in FA2012 were due to poor proofreading before print?

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nevermind, everyone already knows everything. I forgot that I'm talking to med students.

Get 2012.

I wonder why I even bother with advice. I've purchased 2011,2012,2013 and I can guarantee you that lots of changes were made but...

people just want to argue. Good luck, tell us how 2012 goes.

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

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nevermind, everyone already knows everything. I forgot that I'm talking to med students.

Get 2012.

I wonder why I even bother with advice. I've purchased 2011,2012,2013 and I can guarantee you that lots of changes were made but...

people just want to argue. Good luck, tell us how 2012 goes.

I think the point people are trying to make is that while 2013 may have corrected the errors from 2012, we won't even know what possible errors are in 2013 until well into the study period for most people. This doesn't seem to be a bad assumption to make considering there have been errata for first aid since 2007.

Also, why would you purchase 2011, 2012 and 2013?

 

[OneMoreRound]

I think the point people are trying to make is that while 2013 may have corrected the errors from 2012, we won't even know what possible errors are in 2013 until well into the study period for most people. This doesn't seem to be a bad assumption to make considering there have been errata for first aid since 2007.

Also, why would you purchase 2011, 2012 and 2013?

Eager before M1 (2011), thought I would do a qbank starting M2 (2012) and got too busy... then 2013 just came out. In retrospect, should have just waited until 2013 came out but I did use 2012 a small amount.

I'm not invested in this debate, do whatever you guys want.