Rabbits are highly intelligent

[GladifImakeit]

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[JP2740]

Let me guess, this is your website http://www.negotiationisover.net/20...lle-marino-and-boycott-university-of-florida/

 

[Roguelyn]

We should definitely only perform experiments on humans, rabbits are way too cute.

 

[JP2740]

There is no benefit from such experiments that is worth the price of our souls.

I don't think you should use any medications ever that has been the result of animal testing. Thanks, boycott those damn pharmacies!

I'd be gladifudontmakeit

 

[Concubine]

Please do your part to make sure these playful, sensitive, intelligent creatures are not being horrendously tortured at your school or institution. They need other buns, room to run around, and most importantly freedom from painful procedures. There is no benefit from such experiments that is worth the price of our souls.

Why are rabbits different than any other animal? Is it ok to study mice? I don't think any enjoyment is taken from sacrificing the animals. Unfortunately the price of scientific and health advancement requires it.

 

[VisionaryTics]

Humans are highly intelligent. Please do your part to make sure these playful, sensitive, intelligent creatures are not being horrendously tortured at your school or institution. They need other bros, room to run around, and most importantly freedom from dying of diseases that can be cured through animal research.

 

[FIREitUP]

Please do your part to make sure these playful, sensitive, intelligent creatures are not being horrendously tortured at your school or institution. They need other buns, room to run around, and most importantly freedom from painful procedures. There is no benefit from such experiments that is worth the price of our souls.

and delicious. you forgot about how they are delicious.

 

[Cinclus]

Please do your part to make sure these playful, sensitive, intelligent creatures are not being horrendously tortured at your school or institution. They need other buns, room to run around, and most importantly freedom from painful procedures. There is no benefit from such experiments that is worth the price of our souls.

This was the image that came to mind when I read this:

But yeah, I don't like the idea of hurting bunnies. I've always been rather fond of them. But as for C. elegans......kill 'em all!

Yup. Former worm labbie here.

 

[JP2740]

and delicious. you forgot about how they are delicious.

Are they? Where can you try rabbit?

 

[FIREitUP]

Are they? Where can you try rabbit?

it's pretty hard to find, but you can get it at some upscale restaurants. i haven't tried it myself, but i've been told it's very lean and tastes very much like chicken.

 

[Shnurek]

I've had rabbit and they taste amazing. Mmmmm mmmm good.

 

[JP2740]

Just because of this thread I'll definitely look for rabbit first thing at every restaurant from now on.

 

[D elegans]

But yeah, I don't like the idea of hurting bunnies. I've always been rather fond of them. But as for C. elegans......kill 'em all!

Yup. Former worm labbie here.

You're a monster

 

[Cinclus]

You're a monster

Yes, yes I am. I have Bunsen-burned many a-nematode.

 

[phltz]

Just because of this thread I'll definitely look for rabbit first thing at every restaurant from now on.

It's usually fairly expensive at a restaurant. A lot of good butchers carry it, and even some high end general supermarkets. While not cheap, it'll be a bit more reasonable there.

Rabbit can be a bit tough, especially if you get the good ones that've been able to run around outside. These are usually more flavorful, if sometimes verging on stringy. So you usually want a good braising or slow-cooking method. Try cutting up the rabbit into chunks, and browning them in a heavy skillet or pot. Remove the rabbit from the pot, and saute some garlic and onions in olive oil. Add some white wine, scrape up the bottom of the pan, and cook it down by at least 1/2. Add herbs and either tomatoes or some sort of earthy mushroom. Put the rabbit pieces back in, cover, and simmer for at least 30 minutes. An hour or more wouldn't be out of the question.

This goes well served over egg noodles, and with a hearty beer.

 

[FIREitUP]

It's usually fairly expensive at a restaurant. A lot of good butchers carry it, and even some high end general supermarkets. While not cheap, it'll be a bit more reasonable there.

Rabbit can be a bit tough, especially if you get the good ones that've been able to run around outside. These are usually more flavorful, if sometimes verging on stringy. So you usually want a good braising or slow-cooking method. Try cutting up the rabbit into chunks, and browning them in a heavy skillet or pot. Remove the rabbit from the pot, and saute some garlic and onions in olive oil. Add some white wine, scrape up the bottom of the pan, and cook it down by at least 1/2. Add herbs and either tomatoes or some sort of earthy mushroom. Put the rabbit pieces back in, cover, and simmer for at least 30 minutes. An hour or more wouldn't be out of the question.

This goes well served over egg noodles, and with a hearty beer.

or more rabbit...

 

[tiedyeddog]

Your ignorance hurts my head.

 

[GladifImakeit]

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[GladifImakeit]

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[GladifImakeit]

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[phltz]

"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." - MLK Jr.

The past is the past, but we no longer need to test on animals. I decapitated mice in a lab once, and watched their blood spill. It was horrific. I don't want that blood on my hands. Well, I'm glad you can turn a blind eye to this stuff but my conscience compels me to speak the truth.

Are you a vegetarian? Do you have leather shoes and/or belts? Have you ever set a mousetrap?

If the answer to any of those questions is yet, what do you see as the vital difference between the animals that die to meet your food, clothing, or household needs, and the animals that die to provide the scientific and medical knowledge that meets your healthcare needs?

 

[genswim24]

I worked in a lab killing mice and I hated it, but it is necessary for scientific progress. If you don't realize that all drugs that are sold have and will be tested on animals, you are turning a blind eye to science and how medications work. There is no way to prove a drugs effect without testing it in a living creature. If you think this is going to start with humans, you are sadly mistaken. Skipping the animal testing phase is not realistic. People who are opposed to using animals in scientific research really should not use any medical treatment whatsoever because everything was tested on animals. I hope for your sake you don't get sick or need surgery.

 

[SpecterGT260]

fact: rabbits are all masochistic and they like the procedures.

 

[CatFactorial]

"our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." - mlk jr.

The past is the past, but we no longer need to test on animals. I decapitated mice in a lab once, and watched their blood spill. It was horrific. I don't want that blood on my hands. Well, i'm glad you can turn a blind eye to this stuff but my conscience compels me to speak the truth.

Hypocrisy

 

[JP2740]

"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." - MLK Jr.

The past is the past, but we no longer need to test on animals. I decapitated mice in a lab once, and watched their blood spill. It was horrific. I don't want that blood on my hands. Well, I'm glad you can turn a blind eye to this stuff but my conscience compels me to speak the truth.

Well you misused a quote. You displayed that you can't handle blood. You are too ignorant to realize that animals are a necessity to further our medical knowledge. You have absolutely no basis to say we don't need animals any longer. You're probably one of the least knowledgeable posters on the board with the least dedication to the field of medicine. How did you get into medical school thinking animal testing is obsolete? Are you out of your mind?

 

[SpecterGT260]

Humans are highly intelligent. Please do your part to make sure these playful, sensitive, intelligent creatures are not being horrendously tortured at your school or institution. They need other bros, room to run around, and most importantly freedom from dying of diseases that can be cured through animal research.

#winning

 

[Shnurek]

Well you misused a quote. You displayed that you can't handle blood. You are too ignorant to realize that animals are a necessity to further our medical knowledge. You have absolutely no basis to say we don't need animals any longer. You're probably one of the least knowledgeable posters on the board with the least dedication to the field of medicine. How did you get into medical school thinking animal testing is obsolete? Are you out of your mind?

I wouldn't be surprised if s/he was at a Carib. Easier to get into than optometry school.

 

[GladifImakeit]

Your ad hominem attacks reflect your ignorance. a) my quote is not misused b) I can handle blood fine when it comes to saving life - I held pressure on a spurting artery for 3 hours waiting for the on call plastic surgeon to come in; I did animal research and didn't like it c) I said I opposed horrendous torture not animal research - there is a difference; I was referring specifically to things like tiny cages with no room to move and no companionship and procedures such as the draize test d) I go to a top 10 allo; I could get into optometry school with one lobe tied behind my back; calling me a Carib on the basis of disagreement reflects more poorly on you than me; I got into medical school because I had better grades and scores than a lot of people and my personal beliefs evolved over time, though there is no litmus test for personal beliefs on the AMCAS.

 

[D elegans]

What is your suggestion for the replacement of animal test models for acquiring medical knowledge?

 

[deleted248403]

there is no litmus test for personal beliefs on the AMCAS.

True - nor is there a test for being a complete toolbag which you seem quite adept at as well.

You fail to define what you mean by horrendous in your first post in this thread (obv seeking a reaction), and then pretend to be taken out of context and then later define what you mean by horrendous in a poor attempt to look like the bigger individual.

You may be at a top 10 allo and I am not, done better on the MCAT, and got a better GPA in ugrad - but I am so glad you are not a classmate of mine

 

[tiedyeddog]

"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." - MLK Jr.

The past is the past, but we no longer need to test on animals. I decapitated mice in a lab once, and watched their blood spill. It was horrific. I don't want that blood on my hands. Well, I'm glad you can turn a blind eye to this stuff but my conscience compels me to speak the truth.

Actually, here you did say we no longer need to test on animals.

If you dont want it on your conscience then dont do it.

 

[GladifImakeit]

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[FunnyCurrent]

When a person experiences a particularly labile emotional state they often feel unusually preoccupied or strongly motivated (by drawing a empathetic parallelism between an outside entity and their own sadness and perceptions of hardship/oppression) to champion some cause or ideology. I've seen this often enough in depressed colleagues and friends. Though I am uncertain of my interpretation, I have often believed such motivation stems from the desire to reduce the cognitive dissonance one experiences when facing adverse circumstances or a hostile world view.

I go to a prestigious enough school and my grades and scores are generally good. However, I have received two disciplinary notices in my first two years. I have depression and was written up for sobbing in class - no joke.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Your ad hominem attacks reflect your ignorance. a) my quote is not misused b) I can handle blood fine when it comes to saving life - I held pressure on a spurting artery for 3 hours waiting for the on call plastic surgeon to come in; I did animal research and didn't like it c) I said I opposed horrendous torture not animal research - there is a difference; I was referring specifically to things like tiny cages with no room to move and no companionship and procedures such as the draize test d) I go to a top 10 allo; I could get into optometry school with one lobe tied behind my back; calling me a Carib on the basis of disagreement reflects more poorly on you than me; I got into medical school because I had better grades and scores than a lot of people and my personal beliefs evolved over time, though there is no litmus test for personal beliefs on the AMCAS.

Isnt "ad hominem attacks" redundant?
The rest of what you say is thereby invalid. And SGU is not a top 10 allo school

 

[SpecterGT260]

What is a complete tool? Do you think I am an all-in-one wrench or something? That doesn't even make sense. No wonder you don't go to a better program. I'm glad you're not my classmate too.

Oh i get it.... just trolling

 

[deleted248403]

What is a complete tool? Do you think I am an all-in-one wrench or something? That doesn't even make sense. No wonder you don't go to a better program. I'm glad you're not my classmate too.

Now I just feel bad for you...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tool

 

[FunnyCurrent]

She's got you guys on ad hominem, see below

GRE: 700V/760Q/5.5A
MCAT: 33T
Step 1: 248

BS from top 5, MS3 at top 5
student gov, LGBT stuff, homeless clinic volunteer
interested in MCH or the closest thing

Waiting on: Harvard, Yale, Columbia, JHU, Emory, BU, Tulane (in order of preference)

She's likely experiencing an acute depressive episode and just thinking about the sad bunnies makes her even more sad, motivating a response as evidenced in the original post.

 

[Mr hawkings]

Have you seen their claws and teeth? if rabbits were the size of cow's they would be ****ing us up everyday. **** them.

 

[CaptainSSO]

Your ad hominem attacks reflect your ignorance. a) my quote is not misused b) I can handle blood fine when it comes to saving life - I held pressure on a spurting artery for 3 hours waiting for the on call plastic surgeon to come in; I did animal research and didn't like it c) I said I opposed horrendous torture not animal research - there is a difference; I was referring specifically to things like tiny cages with no room to move and no companionship and procedures such as the draize test d) I go to a top 10 allo; I could get into optometry school with one lobe tied behind my back; calling me a Carib on the basis of disagreement reflects more poorly on you than me; I got into medical school because I had better grades and scores than a lot of people and my personal beliefs evolved over time, though there is no litmus test for personal beliefs on the AMCAS.

I wouldn't be bragging about going to a top 10 if you only got a 33 on the MCAT.

I'm letting my dog chase a rabbit today JUST because of your annoying posts. I usually see a rabbit when I walk my dog--I typically hold him back, but tonight I'm letting him loose.

 

[GladifImakeit]

You're sick in the head. How can you be so callous about taking innocent life? We could have had an insightful discussion about the pros and cons of animal research but people like you have to ramp up the rhetoric until it becomes a shouting match. SDN just brings out the worst in people. Nothing to be gained here.

Don't think my MCAT score is very good? Well I didn't have the luxuries a lot of people do. I was sick in college and I hadn't even taken all the pre-reqs and skated through most of the rest. I only used one twenty dollar book to teach myself the material. I came from the gutter and worked my way up to success. Everything I have is mine alone. If I'd done Kaplan and studied for months while living in a supportive environment and able to do my best in school I'm confident I would have gotten higher than a 33T on my first attempt. Really though, who uses an MCAT score to approximate another human being's worth? It's just sad. I do love rabbits because all too often people are cruel. Rabbits don't hurt anyone. They only know how to love. We could learn a lot from them.

There are enough mean people in real life to need mean people online.

 

[CaptainSSO]

You're sick in the head. How can you be so callous about taking innocent life? We could have had an insightful discussion about the pros and cons of animal research but people like you have to ramp up the rhetoric until it becomes a shouting match. SDN just brings out the worst in people. Nothing to be gained here.

It's not me, it's my dog. He's the one who's sick in the head, not me.

No, but seriously, pros = advance medicine. There are laws in place to prevent excessive pain in regards to experimental animals. And as long as it's not done with dogs, I'm ok with it. The benefits far outweigh the negatives. Of course it would be better if we didn't have to do it, but if it's a choice between a human and a rabbit I'm picking the rabbit every single time.

 

[tiedyeddog]

You're sick in the head. How can you be so callous about taking innocent life? We could have had an insightful discussion about the pros and cons of animal research but people like you have to ramp up the rhetoric until it becomes a shouting match. SDN just brings out the worst in people. Nothing to be gained here.

Ok. How do drugs get tested for safety if we dont use animal models as a starting point?

Implant cancer tumors into indians and then see if a drug candidate works on their new cancer?

 

[GladifImakeit]

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[CaptainSSO]

I didn't say your MCAT wasn't good. But if you sit there saying "I go to a better school than you, I have better grades than you, I go to a top 10, I'm so much smarter and better than you," yea, you better believe I'm going to call you out on your MCAT. You say those things to try to garner respect and admiration, but they're going to elicit the opposite response in people every time.

By the way, my rabbit comment was a joke. My dog is way too uncoordinated to ever catch one.

 

[Barcu]

It's not me, it's my dog. He's the one who's sick in the head, not me.

No, but seriously, pros = advance medicine. There are laws in place to prevent excessive pain in regards to experimental animals. And as long as it's not done with dogs, I'm ok with it. The benefits far outweigh the negatives. Of course it would be better if we didn't have to do it, but if it's a choice between a human and a rabbit I'm picking the rabbit every single time.

Lots of what we know about cardio and neuro were done with dogs.

 

[Evil_Abed]

You're sick in the head. How can you be so callous about taking innocent life? We could have had an insightful discussion about the pros and cons of animal research but people like you have to ramp up the rhetoric until it becomes a shouting match. SDN just brings out the worst in people. Nothing to be gained here.

Don't think my MCAT score is very good? Well I didn't have the luxuries a lot of people do. I was sick in college and I hadn't even taken all the pre-reqs and skated through most of the rest. I only used one twenty dollar book to teach myself the material. I came from the gutter and worked my way up to success. Everything I have is mine alone. If I'd done Kaplan and studied for months while living in a supportive environment and able to do my best in school I'm confident I would have gotten higher than a 33T on my first attempt. Really though, who uses an MCAT score to approximate another human being's worth? It's just sad. I do love rabbits because all too often people are cruel. Rabbits don't hurt anyone. They only know how to love. We could learn a lot from them.

Yea yea, cue the "good riddance" but I don't think I'll be back. There are enough mean people in real life to need mean people online.

With experiments!

 

[D elegans]

Ok. How do drugs get tested for safety if we dont use animal models as a starting point?

Implant cancer tumors into indians and then see if a drug candidate works on their new cancer?

Dude, what you just said is insensitive - I believe "Native American" is the correct terminology.

 

[Evil_Abed]

You're sick in the head. How can you be so callous about taking innocent life? We could have had an insightful discussion about the pros and cons of animal research but people like you have to ramp up the rhetoric until it becomes a shouting match. SDN just brings out the worst in people. Nothing to be gained here.

Don't think my MCAT score is very good? Well I didn't have the luxuries a lot of people do. I was sick in college and I hadn't even taken all the pre-reqs and skated through most of the rest. I only used one twenty dollar book to teach myself the material. I came from the gutter and worked my way up to success. Everything I have is mine alone. If I'd done Kaplan and studied for months while living in a supportive environment and able to do my best in school I'm confident I would have gotten higher than a 33T on my first attempt. Really though, who uses an MCAT score to approximate another human being's worth? It's just sad. I do love rabbits because all too often people are cruel. Rabbits don't hurt anyone. They only know how to love. We could learn a lot from them.

Yea yea, cue the "good riddance" but I don't think I'll be back. There are enough mean people in real life to need mean people online.

Actually, they also know how to eat, poop, run, walk, nibble, etc. If you're going to defend them, at least know their basic biology. Sheesh!

 

[D elegans]

What about other animals? Snakes? Tarantulas? Protozoa?

Do you make certain you don't step on ant hills when you walk?

 

[Wheatley]

Bunnies are highly intelligent, and that makes them highly dangerous. We have to kill them before they kill us. THEM. OR. US.
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But back to the topic, OP if you are in medical school and still cannot recognize the role of and need for animals in research then you clearly have an impairment in accepting certain truths. I fear your ignorance and denial in the face of overwhelming evidence (aka REALITY) will contribute to more poor conclusions in the future.

P.S. I wish you the best of luck in your crusade to stop animal research.