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Very glad Simul is back in the game. He was out there bringing heat today.





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drewdog1973 said:


Someone wants to fight, eh?
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If he's referring to us, I'd like to know what chair has been here and has been attacked by the mob?

I've been involved with SDN a long time and have never seen a chair meaningfully engage the rad onc forum. In rare cases a chair or other "leader" has posted once or twice to promote their own program or agenda and never engaged the group. The closest we got to chair engagement was Dan Spratt recently, who isn't chair yet. I'm still waiting for him to respond to my post. :laugh:

What comes to mind is that we've had some PDs give it a go over the years. One of them told my online identity that I should not be employed as a rad onc because of what I post on this site. If Drew means at ASTRO or other public forums, all I can say is that the message is well controlled there. Lisa Kachnic even brought an ABR lawyer to an ARRO talk once. We got called children by Anthony Zeitman at a conference talk discussing oversupply years ago. Now that is mob mentality.
 
Neuronix said:
If he's referring to us, I'd like to know what chair has been here and has been attacked by the mob?

I've been involved with SDN a long time and have never seen a chair meaningfully engage the rad onc forum. In rare cases a chair or other "leader" has posted once or twice to promote their own program or agenda and never engaged the group. The closest we got to chair engagement was Dan Spratt recently, who isn't chair yet. I'm still waiting for him to respond to my post. :laugh:

What comes to mind is that we've had some PDs give it a go over the years. One of them told my online identity that I should not be employed as a rad onc because of what I post on this site. If Drew means at ASTRO or other public forums, all I can say is that the message is well controlled there. Lisa Kachnic even brought an ABR lawyer to an ARRO talk once. We got called children by Anthony Zeitman at a conference talk discussing oversupply years ago. Now that is mob mentality.
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I got as mad when Drew said “mob” as Ed Halperin did when some med school department chairs called him a catfish.
 
Chartreuse Wombat said:
Throne-sniffer extraordinaire...Curran leaves and he must find another throne to sniff...Embarrassing
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Going to dog park is very edifying. Watch a dog smell a little something. Think about human behaviour. Some folk are just buttsniffers. Aint nothing to do about it. Just watch and smile.
 
Haha,

I remember reading a book about Mahatma Gandhi years ago...
It was about "civil disobedience", which worked very well against the British at that time...

FYI, the essay “Civil Disobedience” was written by Henry David Thoreau, a 19th-century American writer.
This was adopted by Mahatma Gandhi.
 
Shouldn't they be more focused on studying that anatomy, pathology, or whatever first years do these days?

She can learn about the history of the once great field of radiation oncology auditing some lectures later in life.
 
metallica81788 said:
Shouldn't they be more focused on studying that anatomy, pathology, or whatever first years do these days?

She can learn about the history of the once great field of radiation oncology auditing some lectures later in life.
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Yeah agreed, "spent the last 8 months on NSGY" = she basically started medical school gunning for it? I mean, we all knew people like that I guess...
 
metallica81788 said:
Shouldn't they be more focused on studying that anatomy, pathology, or whatever first years do these days?

She can learn about the history of the once great field of radiation oncology auditing some lectures later in life.
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Nope - when you have desperate attendings in a given field ready to lick your boots, who needs MS1 studying?
 
There is something truly evil and immoral about trying to trick minorities into a dead end field. Very woke of ASTRO and the crew. It is like someone else drowning pulling someone else down with them too.

If you really want to help minorities lead them to fields with great pay and ability to find jobs.
 
elementaryschooleconomics said:
Man Twitter is spicy today.

Like a good biryani.
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"The call for civility rarely comes from someone who practices it." Simul is so right. It's like nudists. You rarely see any that you'd actually want to see naked.
 
thecarbonionangle said:
There is something truly evil and immoral about trying to trick minorities into a dead end field. Very woke of ASTRO and the crew. It is like someone else drowning pulling someone else down with them too.

If you really want to help minorities lead them to fields with great pay and ability to find jobs.
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This is very distasteful indeed. The real question is are the woke academics this blind? I can understand their intentions, but I'd think they'd have common sense enough to not bring a band of URIMs into this field right now as it is, for these poor students sake. My goodness, this PGY-1 is on the road to be neurosurgeon that is amazing.

Shouldn't they say in their woke speak something like, "URIMs, rad onc is great, but there are no jobs and the inequity you feel now will only be compounded by real economic factors. If you want to succeed and be represented, you must go into XYZ field. We as the DIE WOKE crew will make sure there are more than satellite and locums jobs for all URIMS before we further recruit for rad onc."
 
RadOncMegatron said:
This is very distasteful indeed. The real question is are the woke academics this blind? I can understand their intentions, but I'd think they'd have common sense enough to not bring a band of URIMs into this field right now as it is, for these poor students sake. My goodness, this PGY-1 is on the road to be neurosurgeon that is amazing.

Shouldn't they say in their woke speak something like, "URIMs, rad onc is great, but there are no jobs and the inequity you feel now will only be compounded by real economic factors. If you want to succeed and be represented, you must go into XYZ field. We as the DIE WOKE crew will make sure there are more than satellite and locums jobs for all URIMS before we further recruit for rad onc."
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Honest question (and maybe @scarbrtj can help): how does the median Rad Onc salary compare to median physician salary in general? Job market troubles aside, I would guess we are still well ahead of the curve -but I honestly don't know.
 
Lamount said:
Honest question (and maybe @scarbrtj can help): how does the median Rad Onc salary compare to median physician salary in general? Job market troubles aside, I would guess we are still well ahead of the curve -but I honestly don't know.
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That is a great question. Never saw scarb talk about salary though. I have recently known some rad oncs who’ve been summarily released to hit bricks. Their salary at least for the time being is zero. The distribution of “salaries” in rad onc is probably about as distributed as the salaries of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

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IAmTheWallnerus said:
That is a great question. Never saw scarb talk about salary though. I have recently known some rad oncs who’ve been summarily released to hit bricks. Their salary at least for the time being is zero. The distribution of “salaries” in rad onc is probably about as distributed as the salaries of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

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Why were the radoncs let go?
 
Lamount said:
Honest question (and maybe @scarbrtj can help): how does the median Rad Onc salary compare to median physician salary in general? Job market troubles aside, I would guess we are still well ahead of the curve -but I honestly don't know.
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Depends on the market. Certainly in middle of nowhere locations, radoncs are taking jobs 3-400 K, which would be similar and often less than primary care/psychiatry etc in these same locations. In desirable locations like LA, NYC, there are close to 0 radonc jobs of any salary vs 200k to a primary care doc. Seems to me we are behind the curve, as we are worse off in almost every scenario. Gaslighters will try to compare a 3-400K radonc salary in salina ks to a primary care doc in NYC!
 
RickyScott said:
Depends on the market. Certainly in middle of nowhere locations, radoncs are taking jobs 3-400 K, which would be similar and often less than primary care/psychiatry etc in these same locations. In desirable locations like LA, NYC, there are close to 0 radonc jobs of any salary vs 200k to a primary care doc. Seems to me we are behind the curve, as we are worse off in almost every scenario. Gaslighters will try to compare a 3-400K radonc salary in salina ks to a primary care doc in NYC!
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Hmmm, I don't rad onc salaries are THAT bad, yet....My general sense of salary was 2-300k for big metros, 3-400k for decent size metros and 4-600k for the Salinas.
 
w00tz said:
Hmmm, I don't rad onc salaries are THAT bad, yet....My general sense of salary was 2-300k for big metros, 3-400k for decent size metros and 4-600k for the Salinas.
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Maybe on 3/4/21 but based on my experience, those numbers are dropping. We were planning to bring a new rad onc to another center, roughly 100k less then what I signed 4 years ago.

One thing is for sure, salaries are not going to go up!
 
w00tz said:
Hmmm, I don't rad onc salaries are THAT bad, yet....My general sense of salary was 2-300k for big metros, 3-400k for decent size metros and 4-600k for the Salinas.
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effectively there are no jobs for most applicants in large desirable metros so salary not relevant. In terms of the salinas, they lowball relative to their location, which is why they have turn over. ( Lowballing in undesirable locations is not a sign that we have a geographic maldistribution, as one idiot claims on twitter; it is just evidence that jobs that combine the worst salaries w/worst locations are prone to turnover! )

Certainly there are jobs to be had in ruralish locations 4-500k, but they are not a surety, and may only be available to the top 30-40% off applicants. The larger point is that the top 30-40% primary care applicants and certainly psych could equal/surpass radonc in these same undesirable locations.
 
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The "we need to help underserved communities!!!!11!1!!!11!" is my favorite example of hypocrisy in radonc, and that's saying something with all that we have to choose from.

Feel free to move to that underserved area from your academic job in the big city. Go right head. Literally no one is stopping you and the jobs are available. For now. AHHHHH, you want OTHER radoncs to take that job, because you are rather happy in Houston/NYC/Chicago. Got it.
 
OTN said:
The "we need to help underserved communities!!!!11!1!!!11!" is my favorite example of hypocrisy in radonc, and that's saying something with all that we have to choose from.

Feel free to move to that underserved area from your academic job in the big city. Go right head. Literally no one is stopping you and the jobs are available. For now. AHHHHH, you want OTHER radoncs to take that job, because you are rather happy in Houston/NYC/Chicago. Got it.
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SDN and Chrig Shah in Red Journal 2013 (I'm parapharsing):

Graduating more residents will not mean they go to rural places. It'll just over crowd more metros and make the market worse. You’re killing us.

2021:


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GapCalc said:
For anyone not on Twitter, UCLA is paying students to rotate, up to $25k.

www.uclahealth.org

Medical Student Preceptorship Program

www.uclahealth.org www.uclahealth.org

Please note, this opportunity is only for US applicants. Apparently UCLA doesn’t appreciate the increasingly diverse FMG applicant pool. For shame!

Desperate times, desperate measures.
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So here we have an institutional program specifically designed to target minorities and trap them in a life without opportunity or mobilty.....

sounds like systemic racism to me
 
Grubbe-a-dub-dub said:
Whoa, wtf. I would have done a whole lot less as a medical student for 25k.

The opportunity cost is immense....1 whole year lost at an attending salary, at a likely lower rate overall...

Damn what a trap.
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Yup. Also where you gonna live in Los Angeles for 25k?

That's back of a van territory
 
OTN said:
I got $1200 to get aflatoxin infused into my lungs, followed by PET/CT. My buddy got 12 flex sigs (one per hour in 2 six-hour sessions, yikes) with biopsy after being on a low-fiber diet. He also got $1200.

$25k is much more than that by my calculations.
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...12 flex sigs? A FLEX SIG PER HOUR?

WHAT.
 
OTN said:
I got $1200 to get aflatoxin infused into my lungs, followed by PET/CT. My buddy got 12 flex sigs (one per hour in 2 six-hour sessions, yikes) with biopsy after being on a low-fiber diet. He also got $1200.

$25k is much more than that by my calculations.
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Wow! Your friend is a good man for his contribution to science. I feel like I need to know the results of this study now. Does one's rectal mucosa change on an hour-to-hour basis if you are on a low fiber diet???
 
Man when i was in medical school they constantly bombarded us with this norovirus study which gave you so much diarrhea they had to admit you for hydration and electrolyte repletion plus stool samples like Q3H for a few days even at night. It paid a few thousands but it was a sure thing. Nowadays, this seems more certain than rad onc’s future. Damn. Maybe i should have done GI. What are we doing in this swamp?
 
elementaryschooleconomics said:
...12 flex sigs? A FLEX SIG PER HOUR?

WHAT.
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If you've ever had a colonoscopy, they give you an injection and you're out. It's black and peaceful and nice. That must be like death. And so I don't really fear death. The problem is that life is like the prep day.

- Woody Allen
 
w00tz said:
Wow! Your friend is a good man for his contribution to science. I feel like I need to know the results of this study now. Does one's rectal mucosa change on an hour-to-hour basis if you are on a low fiber diet???
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Google the results of the flex sig study out of the st louis greyhound station.
 
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