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Until last year I thought that cancel culture on social media was something that only affected celebrities and politicians. Then I became the target of a campaign that was personally insulting and professionally alarming. The issue is how some members of our profession react to disagreement about accepted views. My offense was questioning the concept that we are training too many radiation oncologists. But the workforce controversy is not the point of this essay. The point is that challenging accepted concepts has been the driving force for the most positive advances in our field, and the uncivil, anonymous, and often inaccurate criticism that social media now encourages threatens progress in the future.

My purpose in entering the workforce discussion was to engage in civil discourse about an important topic for which data are conflicting. After decades on the front lines of academic radiation oncology, it seemed natural to question what many consider to be accepted dogma. For example, organ preservation, once considered unthinkable in breast, larynx, anal, and extremity cancers, is now a major focus of our specialty. Without questioning surgical dogma, we would not be treating early-stage lung cancer with radiosurgery. It is not an exaggeration to say that many of the most important contributions we now make to the field of oncology are the result of challenging consensus thinking in a thoughtful and professional manner. The purpose of this essay is to briefly summarize my story to demonstrate that the cancel culture exists in radiation oncology today in a way that threatens future progress in our field.

Cancel Culture
As explained by Forbes Senior Editor Evan Gerstmann, “There is no single accepted definition of cancel culture, but at its worst, it is about unaccountable groups successfully applying pressure to punish someone for perceived wrong opinions.” 1 Cancel culture behavior is a modern form of ostracism and harassment. Those who are subject to this ostracism are said to be "canceled."2

In January 2019, I participated in a discussion on a social media site run by an organization that requires participants to identify themselves. The subject of the discussion was the question “Are we over training the number of radiation oncologists?” Many people posted opinions strongly supporting the conclusion that we are training too many residents. After following the discussion for months, I posted a question: “Can someone share objective, not anecdotal, evidence/data that proves there is a surplus?”

Several people submitted responses to my query that I would classify as thoughtful but without objective data. To conclude the dialogue, I posted a seconddand finaldtime. I shorten my final post here for brevity: “Looking for objective evidence, not concerns and perspectives. Are there unemployed radiation oncologists who want to be working? If so, why? Is it because there are no jobs? Or because they have geographic restrictions? Or other reasons? This matters. Are average starting salaries going down? I haven’t seen any objective evidence of a glut from an economic, supplyedemand perspective.”

At this point a colleague notified me that my comments were the subject of severe criticism on a social media site that I do not monitor or participate in. Discussion posts on this site are anonymous, meaning participants do not identify themselves.

Yes, there was some cogent discussion of the topic with data presented and analyzed. One might question the assumptions and the data, but at least these posts were thoughtful, sincere, and devoid of personal attacks. However, “cancel culture” predominated with posts that did not address the fundamental issue but rather attempted to discredit me personally. It serves no useful purpose for me to list specific posts in this essay. General themes were malicious comments about my personal integrity, anti-foreign medical graduate xenophobia, and overt racism and sexism. Multiple posts made statements about salaries and department staffing that were highly inaccurate. The discussion went on for weeks. There were participants who defended me, my department, and the appropriateness of my simply asking for data. However, it was especially discouraging for me to see supportive posts met with counter posts suggesting that I required people to post something positivedanother blatant falsehood.

The attempt to “cancel” me on social media rather than discuss the workforce issue in a professional and civil manner does not concern me from a personal perspective. But it disturbs me greatly for what it means for our profession. The cancel culture behavior that I describe shows that some in our specialty are too ready to dismiss, insult, and even try to do real harm to those who are willing to question current dogma. If this is the case, I fear that the gloom and doom about the future of radiation oncology will become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Recently, I reread the Red Journal obituary of one of the early giants of clinical radiation oncology, Dr Frank Ellis. At a celebration of his 100th birthday, attended by 89 of his trainees and many other luminaries, the tributes paid to Dr Ellis had a consistent theme: his belief and insistence that “we should accept no opinion that is not based on solid data or an absolutely firm and secure rationale. All points should be open for discussion, and any statement made from the Chief down to the youngest and newest employee would be open for questioning.” 3

Our ability as a specialty to safely question prevailing wisdom is at the heart of the progress we have made in radiation oncology. Losing our sense of curiosity is the shortest path to oblivion as a specialty.
 
I don't have access to the full text, but Marcus Randall is crying:
LMAO. This is straight ice and MONEY.WOW. An old white southerner making himself the victim. Sends his newly hired faculty to defend him (pathetic). Now he writes a “cancel culture” rant. Colour me surprised. Wallner is behind all of this somehow (darth sidious meme).
 
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Until last year I thought that cancel culture on social media was something that only affected celebrities and politicians. Then I became the target of a campaign that was personally insulting and professionally alarming. The issue is how some members of our profession react to disagreement about accepted views. My offense was questioning the concept that we are training too many radiation oncologists. But the workforce controversy is not the point of this essay. The point is that challenging accepted concepts has been the driving force for the most positive advances in our field, and the uncivil, anonymous, and often inaccurate criticism that social media now encourages threatens progress in the future.

My purpose in entering the workforce discussion was to engage in civil discourse about an important topic for which data are conflicting. After decades on the front lines of academic radiation oncology, it seemed natural to question what many consider to be accepted dogma. For example, organ preservation, once considered unthinkable in breast, larynx, anal, and extremity cancers, is now a major focus of our specialty. Without questioning surgical dogma, we would not be treating early-stage lung cancer with radiosurgery. It is not an exaggeration to say that many of the most important contributions we now make to the field of oncology are the result of challenging consensus thinking in a thoughtful and professional manner. The purpose of this essay is to briefly summarize my story to demonstrate that the cancel culture exists in radiation oncology today in a way that threatens future progress in our field.

Cancel Culture
As explained by Forbes Senior Editor Evan Gerstmann, “There is no single accepted definition of cancel culture, but at its worst, it is about unaccountable groups successfully applying pressure to punish someone for perceived wrong opinions.” 1 Cancel culture behavior is a modern form of ostracism and harassment. Those who are subject to this ostracism are said to be "canceled."2

In January 2019, I participated in a discussion on a social media site run by an organization that requires participants to identify themselves. The subject of the discussion was the question “Are we over training the number of radiation oncologists?” Many people posted opinions strongly supporting the conclusion that we are training too many residents. After following the discussion for months, I posted a question: “Can someone share objective, not anecdotal, evidence/data that proves there is a surplus?”

Several people submitted responses to my query that I would classify as thoughtful but without objective data. To conclude the dialogue, I posted a seconddand finaldtime. I shorten my final post here for brevity: “Looking for objective evidence, not concerns and perspectives. Are there unemployed radiation oncologists who want to be working? If so, why? Is it because there are no jobs? Or because they have geographic restrictions? Or other reasons? This matters. Are average starting salaries going down? I haven’t seen any objective evidence of a glut from an economic, supplyedemand perspective.”

At this point a colleague notified me that my comments were the subject of severe criticism on a social media site that I do not monitor or participate in. Discussion posts on this site are anonymous, meaning participants do not identify themselves.

Yes, there was some cogent discussion of the topic with data presented and analyzed. One might question the assumptions and the data, but at least these posts were thoughtful, sincere, and devoid of personal attacks. However, “cancel culture” predominated with posts that did not address the fundamental issue but rather attempted to discredit me personally. It serves no useful purpose for me to list specific posts in this essay. General themes were malicious comments about my personal integrity, anti-foreign medical graduate xenophobia, and overt racism and sexism. Multiple posts made statements about salaries and department staffing that were highly inaccurate. The discussion went on for weeks. There were participants who defended me, my department, and the appropriateness of my simply asking for data. However, it was especially discouraging for me to see supportive posts met with counter posts suggesting that I required people to post something positivedanother blatant falsehood.

The attempt to “cancel” me on social media rather than discuss the workforce issue in a professional and civil manner does not concern me from a personal perspective. But it disturbs me greatly for what it means for our profession. The cancel culture behavior that I describe shows that some in our specialty are too ready to dismiss, insult, and even try to do real harm to those who are willing to question current dogma. If this is the case, I fear that the gloom and doom about the future of radiation oncology will become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Recently, I reread the Red Journal obituary of one of the early giants of clinical radiation oncology, Dr Frank Ellis. At a celebration of his 100th birthday, attended by 89 of his trainees and many other luminaries, the tributes paid to Dr Ellis had a consistent theme: his belief and insistence that “we should accept no opinion that is not based on solid data or an absolutely firm and secure rationale. All points should be open for discussion, and any statement made from the Chief down to the youngest and newest employee would be open for questioning.” 3

Our ability as a specialty to safely question prevailing wisdom is at the heart of the progress we have made in radiation oncology. Losing our sense of curiosity is the shortest path to oblivion as a specialty.

It's as simple as this....if you are still the Chair, then you haven't been cancelled
 
The newer gen (currently PGY5s etc.) and young attendings: I find them much better, they adapt to the internet, social media well, and when faced with the same situation, won't cry like M.R. does...

I am surprised P.R.O. publishes it...
 
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Until last year I thought that cancel culture on social media was something that only affected celebrities and politicians. Then I became the target of a campaign that was personally insulting and professionally alarming. The issue is how some members of our profession react to disagreement about accepted views. My offense was questioning the concept that we are training too many radiation oncologists. But the workforce controversy is not the point of this essay. The point is that challenging accepted concepts has been the driving force for the most positive advances in our field, and the uncivil, anonymous, and often inaccurate criticism that social media now encourages threatens progress in the future.

My purpose in entering the workforce discussion was to engage in civil discourse about an important topic for which data are conflicting. After decades on the front lines of academic radiation oncology, it seemed natural to question what many consider to be accepted dogma. For example, organ preservation, once considered unthinkable in breast, larynx, anal, and extremity cancers, is now a major focus of our specialty. Without questioning surgical dogma, we would not be treating early-stage lung cancer with radiosurgery. It is not an exaggeration to say that many of the most important contributions we now make to the field of oncology are the result of challenging consensus thinking in a thoughtful and professional manner. The purpose of this essay is to briefly summarize my story to demonstrate that the cancel culture exists in radiation oncology today in a way that threatens future progress in our field.

Cancel Culture
As explained by Forbes Senior Editor Evan Gerstmann, “There is no single accepted definition of cancel culture, but at its worst, it is about unaccountable groups successfully applying pressure to punish someone for perceived wrong opinions.” 1 Cancel culture behavior is a modern form of ostracism and harassment. Those who are subject to this ostracism are said to be "canceled."2

In January 2019, I participated in a discussion on a social media site run by an organization that requires participants to identify themselves. The subject of the discussion was the question “Are we over training the number of radiation oncologists?” Many people posted opinions strongly supporting the conclusion that we are training too many residents. After following the discussion for months, I posted a question: “Can someone share objective, not anecdotal, evidence/data that proves there is a surplus?”

Several people submitted responses to my query that I would classify as thoughtful but without objective data. To conclude the dialogue, I posted a seconddand finaldtime. I shorten my final post here for brevity: “Looking for objective evidence, not concerns and perspectives. Are there unemployed radiation oncologists who want to be working? If so, why? Is it because there are no jobs? Or because they have geographic restrictions? Or other reasons? This matters. Are average starting salaries going down? I haven’t seen any objective evidence of a glut from an economic, supplyedemand perspective.”

At this point a colleague notified me that my comments were the subject of severe criticism on a social media site that I do not monitor or participate in. Discussion posts on this site are anonymous, meaning participants do not identify themselves.

Yes, there was some cogent discussion of the topic with data presented and analyzed. One might question the assumptions and the data, but at least these posts were thoughtful, sincere, and devoid of personal attacks. However, “cancel culture” predominated with posts that did not address the fundamental issue but rather attempted to discredit me personally. It serves no useful purpose for me to list specific posts in this essay. General themes were malicious comments about my personal integrity, anti-foreign medical graduate xenophobia, and overt racism and sexism. Multiple posts made statements about salaries and department staffing that were highly inaccurate. The discussion went on for weeks. There were participants who defended me, my department, and the appropriateness of my simply asking for data. However, it was especially discouraging for me to see supportive posts met with counter posts suggesting that I required people to post something positivedanother blatant falsehood.

The attempt to “cancel” me on social media rather than discuss the workforce issue in a professional and civil manner does not concern me from a personal perspective. But it disturbs me greatly for what it means for our profession. The cancel culture behavior that I describe shows that some in our specialty are too ready to dismiss, insult, and even try to do real harm to those who are willing to question current dogma. If this is the case, I fear that the gloom and doom about the future of radiation oncology will become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Recently, I reread the Red Journal obituary of one of the early giants of clinical radiation oncology, Dr Frank Ellis. At a celebration of his 100th birthday, attended by 89 of his trainees and many other luminaries, the tributes paid to Dr Ellis had a consistent theme: his belief and insistence that “we should accept no opinion that is not based on solid data or an absolutely firm and secure rationale. All points should be open for discussion, and any statement made from the Chief down to the youngest and newest employee would be open for questioning.” 3

Our ability as a specialty to safely question prevailing wisdom is at the heart of the progress we have made in radiation oncology. Losing our sense of curiosity is the shortest path to oblivion as a specialty.
This is AMAZING.

"I'm the victim here!"

We are truly living in surreal times.
 
The lines are getting blurred between "cancel culture" and "stfu." His experience was an example of one of those.
Exactly.

An old, white, male Chair of an academic medical department being criticized online has not been "canceled". As @radonc17 said, if he's still Chair he hasn't been canceled. He hasn't actually faced any consequences.

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To future applicants,
This is yet another example of the state of radiation oncology, Marcus Randall writing a letter to PRO about how butthurt he was from some online comments, when he was just 'simply' asking for some data, trying to to make himself out to be the victim of 'cancel culture.' It is clear from his letter that he cares more about himself than anything related to the field of radiation oncology, similar to Lisa Kachnic crying that she was the victim of cyberbulling, after he 2018 ABR radbio/physics debacle.

Perhaps the most terrifying point is that he took the effort to pen a letter about his butthurt-ness, yet, he takes ZERO effort into investigating into the concerns posed here on SDN and by others through other sites. These problems related to the well-being of our field, particularly the job market, and the conversations surrounds it have been present for years, yet these chairs bury the head in the sand until someone says something mean about them.

To reference to his initial comment on ROHub, be aware that any dissenting opinions that has been posted on ROHub will be canceled by the establishment, in an effort to protect their own. There is no other good place to discuss these concerns, and fortunately for many of us, we can discuss it freely on forums such as SDN.

Seeing what has happened with the academic radiation oncology leadership, like Kachnic, Wallner, Randall, Potters, and Hallahan, over the past few years, do you really believe that their main concerns are to improve the health of the specialty we all love so much, including helping ensure a healthy job market, or do you believe that their concerns are only to protect themselves and their own livelihoods? Remember, you are training for a decade, racking up hundreds of thousands in loans, only to have your future and livelihood dictated by the actions (or lack thereof) of these fools.
 
Looks like the comment was deleted, but I think we should be careful to NOT even come CLOSE to doxxing ppl even when "opinion" pieces are published

Ruins the spirit of SDN
 
The rumour is at the next chair meeting, they will have extra security because they think a mob of people carying sdn flags with pepe the frog on them and wearing pagan god masks is going to storm the meeting and demand they all be cancelled.
 
The rumour is at the next chair meeting, they will have extra security because they think a mob of people carying sdn flags with pepe the frog on them and wearing pagan god masks is going to storm the meeting and demand they all be cancelled.
I got my Simul statue ready!
 
It's hilarious what a "threat" something like SDN is to some people in rad onc. By hilarious I mean sad.
"People can write their opinions in a colloquial style and I can't easily destroy their careers for it? SHUT IT DOWN."
 
For a change in topic, this is good leadership.
For years and years, I have always fought for med students and my residents.

The KEY thing is: when you see something wrong, don't fight alone, get the whole "Battalion" behind you.
There is something to be said about the numbers.

 
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For a change in topic, this is good leadership...


I strongly agree. The in-service was a disaster this year, but I assumed it was just going to be swept under the rug. I was very pleasantly shocked to see the leadership and pro-resident advocacy that came out of ADROP and other academic leaders.

Thanks, friends.
 
I know there’s a lot of people who read this Twitter thread who might not understand the context of why we think the PRO article is amazing, so I wrote some background:

Dr Marcus Randall, FACR, FASTRO, Chair of the Department of Radiation Oncology at the University Kentucky College of Medicine, claims he is a victim of “cancel culture”. Let’s explore that.

What happened?
On “ROHub”, ASTRO’s official message board, there was a thread entitled “Are we over training the number of Radiation Oncologists?”. As always, whenever this topic comes up, the discussion is intense. ASTRO deleted at least one post on the side of “we’re training too many RadOncs”, which (in combination with ASTRO’s other moderation activities), have led many to the opinion that “free speech” is limited on ROHub (I’m aware it’s a private entity, I don’t mean Constitutional free speech). This thread was started in January 2019.

In July 2020, Dr Randall made a post asking for "objective, not anecdotal, evidence/data the proves there is a surplus".

There was a quick response about the 127% increase in training positions over the last two decades and other salient issues, to which Dr Randall replied:
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This, of course, caused uproar on SDN and Twitter, for those of us who are concerned about oversupply.

Why?

Because “the available data indicates there’s low unemployment of Radiation Oncologists” is the favored argument of folks in the “there’s no oversupply” camp. That is their singular point of argument, which ignores any other metric, experience, or data.

Then what?

On SDN, people reacted to this in a predictable manner, specifically highlighting Kentucky’s poor reputation in the realm of Radiation Oncology and the fact that it has expanded its resident complement under Dr Randall’s tenure.

I won’t go down the rabbit hole of repeating everything that was said - it’s all still there to read in the Twitter thread. To summarize: many of us, myself included, have had personal experiences and/or heard anecdotes in real life and online that Kentucky is not the strongest RadOnc Department. I admit that my personal opinion of the department is formed on information that may be out of date. Were some of the posts crass and unprofessional? Sure. It’s the internet, not an ASTRO Plenary Session. It is what it is.

Ok, so what happened?

Well, that was it. Kentucky took a beating for a while on the SDN message boards, one or two folks showed up to try to defend it, then the topic of conversation moved on.

Evidently, Marcus Randall did not move on. On March 5th, 2021 (8 months after his post on ROHub), the following was published on PRO’s website:

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According to this, it was submitted on December 21st, almost 6 months after the ROHub post.

It opens with a photograph, which I really hope is an Editorial choice and not something Dr Randall submitted:

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A silhouette of a person stands facing a grey body of water, fog rolling off, conjuring emotions of bleak uncertainty and being cast aside, alone, in a turbulent world. How tragic.

It begins:

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Highlighted is what I consider puzzling: “it seemed natural to question what many consider to be accepted dogma”. Dr Randall is implying that “we are training too many Radiation Oncologists, there is an oversupply” is dogma. It is not dogma. Dogma, in this particular situation, is that the current system is functioning fine. Dogma is that there is no oversupply. You are not questioning dogma. You are dogma.

Simply put, Dr Randall - you are not counterculture here. You are the institution. You are “the man”. The issue of “oversupply” is a grass-roots movement born on SDN and Twitter (and Chirag Shah’s 2013 Red Journal article). It does not come from the hallowed halls of the Ivory Tower, where you reside.

His article continues:

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Here, we find the classic argument that “anonymous people on the internet are bad”. As I said in the beginning, ROHub has been rejected because of its heavy-handed moderation. Prominent members who post dissenting views have had their posts deleted. Writing under a pen name is not new. Contrary to what certain Twitterati think, it is also very effective. For those who still struggle with this concept, perhaps a quick Google search of “The Federalist Papers” is in order?

The article goes on:

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Again, he makes the incredible statement that “we’re training too many Radiation Oncologists” is not only accepted, that it’s dogma. This is amazing to me.

However, the main takeaway from these passages - how was Dr Randall canceled? He includes three references with this article, one of which is a Forbes article about cancel culture. The opening paragraph of the Forbes article:

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Is SDN an “unaccountable group”? In general, yes, it could be cast that way. Was Dr Randall “punished” or “significantly harmed”? I would argue no. Literally, in his own editorial, he writes that “the attempt to cancel me on social media...does not concern me from a personal perspective”. Ok, so, no psychological damage. Did he lose his job? Was he stripped of some sort of title? Was he asked to step down from some role? Lose any sort of salary or revenue? Did he face any sort of consequence, at all? No.

The Chair of a Radiation Oncology Department writing a solo editorial in one of the main American journals of his specialty about mean things he read on the internet is about as far away from cancel culture as one can get.

To me, this editorial is as tone-deaf as possible. It is academic Radiation Oncology jumping the shark.
 
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Until last year I thought that cancel culture on social media was something that only affected celebrities and politicians. Then I became the target of a campaign that was personally insulting and professionally alarming. The issue is how some members of our profession react to disagreement about accepted views. My offense was questioning the concept that we are training too many radiation oncologists. But the workforce controversy is not the point of this essay. The point is that challenging accepted concepts has been the driving force for the most positive advances in our field, and the uncivil, anonymous, and often inaccurate criticism that social media now encourages threatens progress in the future.

My purpose in entering the workforce discussion was to engage in civil discourse about an important topic for which data are conflicting. After decades on the front lines of academic radiation oncology, it seemed natural to question what many consider to be accepted dogma. For example, organ preservation, once considered unthinkable in breast, larynx, anal, and extremity cancers, is now a major focus of our specialty. Without questioning surgical dogma, we would not be treating early-stage lung cancer with radiosurgery. It is not an exaggeration to say that many of the most important contributions we now make to the field of oncology are the result of challenging consensus thinking in a thoughtful and professional manner. The purpose of this essay is to briefly summarize my story to demonstrate that the cancel culture exists in radiation oncology today in a way that threatens future progress in our field.

Cancel Culture
As explained by Forbes Senior Editor Evan Gerstmann, “There is no single accepted definition of cancel culture, but at its worst, it is about unaccountable groups successfully applying pressure to punish someone for perceived wrong opinions.” 1 Cancel culture behavior is a modern form of ostracism and harassment. Those who are subject to this ostracism are said to be "canceled."2

In January 2019, I participated in a discussion on a social media site run by an organization that requires participants to identify themselves. The subject of the discussion was the question “Are we over training the number of radiation oncologists?” Many people posted opinions strongly supporting the conclusion that we are training too many residents. After following the discussion for months, I posted a question: “Can someone share objective, not anecdotal, evidence/data that proves there is a surplus?”

Several people submitted responses to my query that I would classify as thoughtful but without objective data. To conclude the dialogue, I posted a seconddand finaldtime. I shorten my final post here for brevity: “Looking for objective evidence, not concerns and perspectives. Are there unemployed radiation oncologists who want to be working? If so, why? Is it because there are no jobs? Or because they have geographic restrictions? Or other reasons? This matters. Are average starting salaries going down? I haven’t seen any objective evidence of a glut from an economic, supplyedemand perspective.”

At this point a colleague notified me that my comments were the subject of severe criticism on a social media site that I do not monitor or participate in. Discussion posts on this site are anonymous, meaning participants do not identify themselves.

Yes, there was some cogent discussion of the topic with data presented and analyzed. One might question the assumptions and the data, but at least these posts were thoughtful, sincere, and devoid of personal attacks. However, “cancel culture” predominated with posts that did not address the fundamental issue but rather attempted to discredit me personally. It serves no useful purpose for me to list specific posts in this essay. General themes were malicious comments about my personal integrity, anti-foreign medical graduate xenophobia, and overt racism and sexism. Multiple posts made statements about salaries and department staffing that were highly inaccurate. The discussion went on for weeks. There were participants who defended me, my department, and the appropriateness of my simply asking for data. However, it was especially discouraging for me to see supportive posts met with counter posts suggesting that I required people to post something positivedanother blatant falsehood.

The attempt to “cancel” me on social media rather than discuss the workforce issue in a professional and civil manner does not concern me from a personal perspective. But it disturbs me greatly for what it means for our profession. The cancel culture behavior that I describe shows that some in our specialty are too ready to dismiss, insult, and even try to do real harm to those who are willing to question current dogma. If this is the case, I fear that the gloom and doom about the future of radiation oncology will become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Recently, I reread the Red Journal obituary of one of the early giants of clinical radiation oncology, Dr Frank Ellis. At a celebration of his 100th birthday, attended by 89 of his trainees and many other luminaries, the tributes paid to Dr Ellis had a consistent theme: his belief and insistence that “we should accept no opinion that is not based on solid data or an absolutely firm and secure rationale. All points should be open for discussion, and any statement made from the Chief down to the youngest and newest employee would be open for questioning.” 3

Our ability as a specialty to safely question prevailing wisdom is at the heart of the progress we have made in radiation oncology. Losing our sense of curiosity is the shortest path to oblivion as a specialty.
Wow, i have to say that this is an astounding perspective.

Let's begin by addressing the point that that the notion that there is an oversupply of radiation oncologists is canonical dogma of the field. Dr. Randall, what objective evidence do you have to support this? Is there a study showing that the volume of tweets or ROhub posts stating that there an oversupply is far greater than those that state that there is not? Perhaps there is an ASTRO consensus statement about the problem of oversupply that i missed? Upon cursory examination anyone can find that the consensus that is promoted is that there are no job market issues and current recruitment issues are related to a lack of awareness of the field.

Having said that, i think we all would embrace data investigating the question of oversupply. We must note however that simply looking at unemployment is inadequare. A quick google search will reveal a plethora of academic papers detailing limitations of employment rate as a job market measure and how other factors such as labor force participation, job desirability and compensation disparity are more sensitive measures. If we wait until we see significant rises in unemployment we have already failed. Again, additional objective data would be embraced and i agree should be encouraged. For instance, ASTRO has data about employment opportunities posted on their site over the years. Certainly it shouldn't be too difficult to analyze how many postings there are per graduating resident now and in past years. Another example is that one could look at the changes in geographic distrubution over time. These are just a few simple examples of one avenue of investigation, there certainly are numerous others. Despite availability we rarely see analysis like this, i would posit because the accepted view in academics is to present the position that "all is fine."

Dr. Randell, take some time and further evaluate your perspective. I hope you can internalize that in no way, shape or form have you been canceled. As an academic chair you are in a position of power with regards to the discussion of this issue. Having to face some criticism, which at times may be crude does not qualify you as canceled. You are still in the position of power as demonstrated by your ability to get this letter published, ironic indeed. At its core the notion of cancel culture is a con designed to mask what is nothing more than the powerful actually being challenged for a change.
 
database says 650K and I agree, usually there is off-state-books extra. It is "tenured" part that is unusual for a modern radonc chairperson. All 3 I used to work under were very insecure
 
Hahahahahahahaha YES. I love the out of touch, mouth breathing boomer chairs and "leaders" - they are the gifts that keep on giving. Thank the gods that this dingbat wrote this asinine article about how his feelings were hurt by the internet and completely miss the mark on cancel culture. He is another monke...does anyone know if Penn has a opening for this sub-primate?

Marcus "I need more resident slaves" Randall is one of the best examples of what is wrong with our field and who we promote as leaders. This fungus matched into rad onc during a period when the field was the least competitive. He then slowly wormed his way up the academic ladder by exploiting med student and resident labor to pump out useless retrospective studies. Then, being the 3rd choice for chair at Kentucky, he took over a bad department and his crowning achievement has been expanding his horrible, hell pit residency to 6 spots.

The best thing we can do is to put these med student exploiting "leaders" into the Thunderdome and blast their hypocrisy. The only thing they have, beyond the CV filled with retrospective chart reviews all done by trainees, is the perception of respect that their positions give them. They hate that their thin veneer of respect can be so easily stripped away and they can be completely ridiculed. I guarantee, his faculty, residents, med students, will be reading that joke of an article and feel incredible shame. Inevitably, one of his lapdogs will be asked to defend his honor in the hope that he or she can make associate professor in a hell hole department.

Dear Marcus "I need more resident slaves" Randall, just because your feelings were hurt does not mean you were cancelled. And the true victims are the med students you dupe into matching into rad onc, the Kentucky residents doing all the clinical scut and only getting a 3 month research year when at the end of residency, they won't be able to all find good jobs in their geographic region of preference, and the Kentucky faculty you pay so poorly because you skim ~40% of the professional fees they generate (that is the money of the physician that generates those RVUs you thief!). Crawl back into the small, dark hole in Kentucky where you live and shut up.

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According to this, it was submitted on December 21st, almost 6 months after the ROHub post.

It opens with a photograph, which I really hope is an Editorial choice and not something Dr Randall submitted:

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A silhouette of a person stands facing a grey body of water, fog rolling off, conjuring emotions of bleak uncertainty and being cast aside, alone, in a turbulent world.

Could also represent how a resident feels graduating from residency these days...
 
To be both the chair of an academic department while simultaneously claiming oneself a victim of cancel culture and online bullying is quite a Cake-and-Eat-it-Too situation.

Those poor chairpersons. Why couldn't we just let them increase the resident compliment in order to decrease academic salaries (as detailed by Dr. Dennis Hallahan) in peace? Do we really have to care that they're taking advantage of corrupt, predatory billing procedures to expand their empire, thus facilitating an income transfer from the physician class to the administrative class, fueled by bilking of the very patients for which they so passionately claim to advocate?

Sure, they're an integral part of a process which has stripped radiation oncologists of power, influence, and money, but does that mean they deserve to be made fun of online? Have you even considered what that DOES to a person? Why, he may have had his FEELINGS hurt!
 
To be both the chair of an academic department while simultaneously claiming oneself a victim of cancel culture and online bullying is quite a Cake-and-Eat-it-Too situation.

Those poor chairpersons. Why couldn't we just let them increase the resident compliment in order to decrease academic salaries (as detailed by Dr. Dennis Hallahan) in peace? Do we really have to care that they're taking advantage of corrupt, predatory billing procedures to expand their empire, thus facilitating an income transfer from the physician class to the administrative class, fueled by bilking of the very patients for which they so passionately claim to advocate?

Sure, they're an integral part of a process which has stripped radiation oncologists of power, influence, and money, but does that mean they deserve to be made fun of online? Have you even considered what that DOES to a person? Why, he may have had his FEELINGS hurt!
It’s also interesting because b*tching about ones boss or leaders may be a tradition older then time itself. I fail to see how SDN is better or worse then venting at the bar after work. It is more visible, but also has a TOS that applies.

As Don would say, “THATS WHAT THE MONEY (and power) IS FOR.”
 
In other "fake woke AF MedTwitter" Twitterati news, I just saw this:

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For those who don't know, Ester Choo is a "social media famous" Emergency Medicine faculty attending at OHSU.

OHSU, currently, is embroiled in this "TikTok Doc" issue where another "social media famous" OHSU anesthesia resident is accused of sexually harassing a "coworker" (I presume a co-resident), and this co-resident reported it to OHSU leadership, who allegedly "covered it up" and protected this anesthesia resident for at least a year.

What I didn't realize - per the lawsuit, Esther Choo was one of the faculty who the victim went to for help.

This article was published on Medscape a week ago:


Obviously we don't have the full story, but if even part of this is true - I continue to have character concerns over doctors who chase clout on Twitter or other platforms...which, I think, was literally the point of starting this thread on SDN and why it has become so popular. Isn't this thread at over 330k views now?
 
In other "fake woke AF MedTwitter" Twitterati news, I just saw this:

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For those who don't know, Ester Choo is a "social media famous" Emergency Medicine faculty attending at OHSU.

OHSU, currently, is embroiled in this "TikTok Doc" issue where another "social media famous" OHSU anesthesia resident is accused of sexually harassing a "coworker" (I presume a co-resident), and this co-resident reported it to OHSU leadership, who allegedly "covered it up" and protected this anesthesia resident for at least a year.

What I didn't realize - per the lawsuit, Esther Choo was one of the faculty who the victim went to for help.

This article was published on Medscape a week ago:


Obviously we don't have the full story, but if even part of this is true - I continue to have character concerns over doctors who chase clout on Twitter or other platforms...which, I think, was literally the point of starting this thread on SDN and why it has become so popular. Isn't this thread at over 330k views now?
So the guy and OHSU are both being sued for his sexual harassment and assault and OHSU unwillingness to take action after her reporting it to ~6 people.

She is a social worker at the VA where he allegedly put his erection on her while she was working, and sent unsolicited sexual texts which are in the legal document. The reason she works at the VA is bc she was sexually harassed at the main campus by the ER chair who appears to have assaulted ~50 people...

She found out this resident assaulted/harassed another worker and reported both. The university did nothing. She told this Choo lady who is supposed to leads a sexual assault movement and her response was OMG what do we do omg. Then she kept interacting with the alleged. When the accuser asked her about this Choo was like I don’t need to listen to white people.

OHSU allowed the accuser to seek therapy for the assault but when she did they were like we will only pay for it if you drop the claims cause they have low money (internal surveys showed that 22% of employees have been sexually assaulted/harassed!!!)

The resident resigned and transferred to Univ Florida in lieu of being fired. Apparently OHSU did not tell Florida about what was going on. Said resident is suspended now until further notice.

Covering stuff up never leads to any good. It will come out. IMO all this twitter “wokeness” is all performative to build your career such as the case with Dr. Choo. I encourage everyone to read the lawsuit.
 
So the guy and OHSU are both being sued for his sexual harassment and assault and OHSU unwillingness to take action after her reporting it to ~6 people.

She is a social worker at the VA where he allegedly put his erection on her while she was working, and sent unsolicited sexual texts which are in the legal document. The reason she works at the VA is bc she was sexually harassed at the main campus by the ER chair who appears to have assaulted ~50 people...

She found out this resident assaulted/harassed another worker and reported both. The university did nothing. She told this Choo lady who is supposed to leads a sexual assault movement and her response was OMG what do we do omg. Then she kept interacting with the alleged. When the accuser asked her about this Choo was like I don’t need to listen to white people.

OHSU allowed the accuser to seek therapy for the assault but when she did they were like we will only pay for it if you drop the claims cause they have low money (internal surveys showed that 22% of employees have been sexually assaulted/harassed!!!)

The resident resigned and transferred to Univ Florida in lieu of being fired. Apparently OHSU did not tell Florida about what was going on. Said resident is suspended now until further notice.

Covering stuff up never leads to any good. It will come out. IMO all this twitter “wokeness” is all performative to build your career such as the case with Dr. Choo. I encourage everyone to read the lawsuit.
Also, guys - no one wants unsolicited pictures of your genitals. Literally no one. Stop.
 
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