Radiology 2012 applicants

[bigdoc12]

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Yeah if you're crushing UW you'll be fine. I found it easier than UW.

+1. Studied 1/2 as much for Step 2, score went up by a lot vs step 1. good luck

 

[badasshairday]

Well, good to hear about CK from you guys. I take that sucker pretty soon, but have had the lowest motivation to study especially since I have a bunch of rads interviews now. At this point, I just need to pass since I don't have any programs to impress... I'm trying so hard to study that it is exhausting and keeping me from actually studying, lol. My friend said he studied 1/5 as much as Step 1, and matched his solid Step 1 performance in the mid-230's. I'm gonna kick it for T-day and black friday then study for like 9 more days and then take the beast.

 

[drizzt3117]

Well, good to hear about CK from you guys. I take that sucker pretty soon, but have had the lowest motivation to study especially since I have a bunch of rads interviews now. At this point, I just need to pass since I don't have any programs to impress... I'm trying so hard to study that it is exhausting and keeping me from actually studying, lol. My friend said he studied 1/5 as much as Step 1, and matched his solid Step 1 performance in the mid-230's. I'm gonna kick it for T-day and black friday then study for like 9 more days and then take the beast.

I rescheduled it more bc I could than bc I have to. I just did 5 blocks and got > 80% on them. All the qs I got wrong were ob and peds lol.

 

[2012mdc]

Well, good to hear about CK from you guys. I take that sucker pretty soon, but have had the lowest motivation to study especially since I have a bunch of rads interviews now. At this point, I just need to pass since I don't have any programs to impress... I'm trying so hard to study that it is exhausting and keeping me from actually studying, lol. My friend said he studied 1/5 as much as Step 1, and matched his solid Step 1 performance in the mid-230's. I'm gonna kick it for T-day and black friday then study for like 9 more days and then take the beast.

I only finished like 500 UW questions and didn't even finish Secrets . I got a 231 on the UWSA last Wednesday, probably scored between 225-235. My UW was 72% (got relatively killed by IM)

I rescheduled it more bc I could than bc I have to. I just did 5 blocks and got > 80% on them. All the qs I got wrong were ob and peds lol.

You'll be fine. You'll probably crack 250 without a problem. My test was OB heavy and somewhat on Peds. Much less medicine than I expected

 

[boogah]

got ucla today 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

 

[drizzt3117]

Congrats guys, sadly no Ucla for me 🙁

 

[2012mdc]

Congrats guys, sadly no Ucla for me 🙁

No ucla here either. I wonder if it's a limited wave as it's about a week earlier than last year and haven't seen anyone post about it on AM.

Also strange they would send it out late the day before thanksgiving. I actually still have hope.

 

[Radiculous]

since they wait so long to give out invites, it's more likely they will see waitlist movement because a lot of people have very full January schedules. now would be the time to express interest.

 

[drizzt3117]

No ucla here either. I wonder if it's a limited wave as it's about a week earlier than last year and haven't seen anyone post about it on AM.

Also strange they would send it out late the day before thanksgiving. I actually still have hope.

I hope you get it! I definitely cracked open a magic hat #9 though, happy thanksgiving indeed 😛

 

[badasshairday]

Got the rejection mail

 

[2012mdc]

since they wait so long to give out invites, it's more likely they will see waitlist movement because a lot of people have very full January schedules. now would be the time to express interest.

I'm 0 for 2 on expressing interest haha. I mean its UCLA and I'm from SoCal, they know I'm highly interested. It's not like I can say "UCSF and Stanford rejected me so you're my number 1!"

 

[PokerDoc]

I'm 0 for 2 on expressing interest haha. I mean its UCLA and I'm from SoCal, they know I'm highly interested. It's not like I can say "UCSF and Stanford rejected me so you're my number 1!"

I just wonder how many there are just like you though. I go to an east coast school but I can name at least 20-25 people from socal alone that are trying to go back, all with good scores and 2 who want rads.

 

[Illusive Man]

Step 2 CS was hard but will stop complaining🙂

 

[drizzt3117]

I took my Step 2 CS yesterday-it wasn't particularly hard but I think I made some serious errors. I forgot to write out any vitals or even mention vital signs within normal limits on any of my notes. Also, I forgot to document several abdominal exams and ran out of time on some patient encounters and notes. I chose the option of not automatically updating my Step 2 scores to Radiology programs that I applied to but I hope I don't fail🙁

I am sure youll be fine...some of my residents took it like right before school was over, after match, and were like "yeah I never asked about meds or counseled about anything and I passed...".

 

[DrBowtie]

So MCG is off probation now, but Mercer Savannah is now?

Anybody got any info?

 

[Illusive Man]

Thanks drizzt3117, I hope you are right

 

[2012mdc]

I just wonder how many there are just like you though. I go to an east coast school but I can name at least 20-25 people from socal alone that are trying to go back, all with good scores and 2 who want rads.

I'm sure there's a lot but there's nothing I can really say. If my stats aren't good enough for UCLA I have other good interviews.

 

[PokerDoc]

I'm sure there's a lot but there's nothing I can really say. If my stats aren't good enough for UCLA I have other good interviews.

Well thats what i mean.. they ARE good enough, your stats rock. It just becomes a pure statistical numbers game at some point, not every student who meets their criteria can be chosen, at some point they have to flip a coin

 

[bjb305]

this might sound a bit naive, but where could i find info on the top residency programs?

 

[drizzt3117]

this might sound a bit naive, but where could i find info on the top residency programs?

There's not a consensus list, except one made several years ago by someone on auntminnie lol.

 

[DrBowtie]

this might sound a bit naive, but where could i find info on the top residency programs?

There's not a consensus list, except one made several years ago by someone on auntminnie lol.

Right, there is no USNWR rankings like those used for ranking medical schools. A lot of it is word of mouth as the field is fairly small.

That being said, the majority of top tier medical schools have top tier radiology residencies. Not all are, and there are quite a few big time radiology programs at mid tier medical schools.

 

[drizzt3117]

Right, there is no USNWR rankings like those used for ranking medical schools. A lot of it is word of mouth as the field is fairly small.

That being said, the majority of top tier medical schools have top tier radiology residencies. Not all are, and there are quite a few big time radiology programs at mid tier medical schools.

I think it'd be fun to come up with a new "p53" list at some point but the middle of interview season is certainly not the right time.

 

[2012mdc]

this might sound a bit naive, but where could i find info on the top residency programs?

Here's the thread for the list - http://www.auntminnie.com/forum/tm.aspx?&m=98370&mpage=6

Here's the actual list

1. MGH
1. UCSF
1. MIR
4. PENN
4. Brigham
6. Johns Hopkins
7. Stanford
7. Michigan
7. Duke
10. Mayo Clinic-Rochester
11. NYU
12. UCLA
12. Wake Forest
14. Univ. Pittsburgh
14. BID
16. Virginia
16. Washington
18. Thomas Jefferson
19. UCSD
19. UTSW
19. Cleveland Clinic
22. Maryland
23. Wisconsin
24. Indiana
25. Vanderbilt
25. Florida Gainesville

He didn't use any type of objective ranking but if you ignore the order it can be helpful as a rough guide of which programs are generally considered to be really good. Of course there can be lots of debates about which programs belong in the "top 25" and of course there are many other programs that are good.

Most people know about places like Hopkins, MGH, etc but for someone relatively unfamiliar programs like Jefferson or Cleveland Clinic could be new

 

[drizzt3117]

That's the old list. Here's the updated p53 list.

1. MGH
1. UCSF
1. PENN
1. MIR
5. Johns Hopkins
6. Duke
6. Michigan
6. BWH
9. Stanford
10. NYU
11. Mayo Clinic-Rochester
11. Wake Forest
13. UCLA
13. Univ. Washington
13. Univ. Virginia
13. Univ. Pittsburgh
13. BID
18. UCSD
18. Thomas Jefferson
20. Indiana
20. North Carolina
20. UTSW
23. Wisconsin
23. UAB
23. Cleveland Clinic

Honorable Mention: Northwestern, Cornell, Iowa, Florida-Gainesville, Vanderbilt, Cornell, Emory, South Carolina, Oregon Health, Maryland, Baylor-Houston, Utah, Arkansas, Baylor-Dallas, UT-Houston, William Beaumont, Henry Ford, Medical College of Wisconsin, Albert Einstein, Santa Clara Valley, New Mexico, Virginia Mason, Scott and White, Brown

I think this list is pretty out of date, to be totally honest. I do think it gives a guide to a certain degree but from conversations I've had, I think certain programs are living off their reputation here and certain ones are underrated. I'm not going to elaborate at this time.

 

[rem6775]

Is anyone interviewing at UTSW willing to swap dates? I have Jan 9 and really need to switch. I will love you eternally. PM me.

 

[jahbrony]

I liked the one by area p53 listed. Obviously subjective, but at least it gives you an idea on some good programs to apply to. At the end of the day, the only list that matters is yours.

West Coast
1. UCSF
2. Stanford
3. UCLA
4. Washington
5. UCSD
6. Utah
7. Oregon Health
8. New Mexico

Midwest
1. MIR
2. Michigan
3. Mayo
4. Pittsburgh
5. Cleveland Clinic
6. Wisconsin
7. Indiana
8. Iowa

Southeast
1. Duke
2. Wake Forest
3. Virginia
4. UTSW
5. Vanderbilt
6. Florida Gainesville
7. Emory
8. UAB

East
1. MGH
2. Penn
3. Brigham
4. Johns Hopkins
5. NYU
6. BID
7. Thomas Jefferson
8. Maryland

Someone from my school sent me this list before applying. Supposedly it's updated from a post on auntminnie as well: (again, good for ball parking on where to apply to, but by no means official.)

Absolutely Top
Washington University, Mallinckrodt
Johns Hopkins
UCSF
Duke
Penn
BWH
Wake Forest
MGH
U. Washington
U. Michigan
NYU
Stanford

Excellent
UTSW
UCSD
UCLA Hospital
UVA
Pitt
Northwestern
Mayo
U. Chicago
Emory
BID
U. Wisconsin

Very Good
UNC
Yale
Cornell
Vanderbilt
UAB
U. Florida, Gainesville
Indiana
Thomas Jefferson
Brown
U. Texas, Houston
U. Iowa
U. New Mexico
Cleveland Clinic
U. South Carolina, Charleston
U. Maryland
Baylor, Dallas
U. Utah
Mt. Sinai NYC
OHSU

Solid
U. Rochester
U. Colorado
William Beaumont, Michigan
Henry Ford
Dartmouth
U. Cincinnati
Ohio State U.
CWRU-UH
Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Rush
Loyola
Baylor College of Medicine, Houston
U. Minnesota
Loma Linda
Cedars-Sinai MC
SCV
USC Med Center
U. California, Irvine
U. California, Davis
Hartford Hospital
George Washington U.
U. Miami Jax
Louisiana State U.
Albert Einstein/Montefiore-NYC
Albert Einstein-Philly
Penn State
Pennsy
Temple
Boston U.
Tufts
Nebraska
Methodist Hospital, Memphis U. Tennessee, Memphis
Medical Center of Vermont, Burlington
Virginia Mason Hospital, Seattle
U. Arizona

 

[badasshairday]

I think this list is pretty out of date, to be totally honest. I do think it gives a guide to a certain degree but from conversations I've had, I think certain programs are living off their reputation here and certain ones are underrated. I'm not going to elaborate at this time.

I agree. Things can change relatively swiftly in academics (ie. new chairman, new department, new faculty, unhappy chairment, outdated department, pissed off faculty leaving). A program that is hot right now, may start declining in the middle of your residency. Some programs that are considered "average" have gone through changed that put them right up there with the top of the pack. Although other programs stay pretty solidly top tier year in year out.

 

[radiologyguy]

I liked the one by area p53 listed. Obviously subjective, but at least it gives you an idea on some good programs to apply to. At the end of the day, the only list that matters is yours.

Someone from my school sent me this list before applying. Supposedly it's updated from a post on auntminnie as well: (again, good for ball parking on where to apply to, but by no means official.)

This list is much more accurate from what my program tells me

 

[DrBowtie]

I think I've seen an even longer list on AM with another category like "adequate" or something.

 

[PokerDoc]

I'm curious as to why Gainsville is consistently listed above Jackson for the two florida programs. I interviewed at both and thought Jackson kicked Gainsvilles' ass.

Just opinion though. The teaching seemed solid at both but the pathology at jackson was some of the most amazing in the entire country.

 

[drizzt3117]

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[PokerDoc]

Research is a lot of it. That Hosp is third-world in quality, though. My friends at miami/Jackson are frustrated to no end.

Don't buy this for one second sorry. They were late to the game, but all their equipment and technology has been updated. i don't see anything third world about them at all.

Then again I guess you guys are interviewing at much more prestigious places than I am, so tha may have something to do with our opinions as well.

 

[drizzt3117]

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[PokerDoc]

I'm not talking about the facilities, I'm talking about the hospital policies and people. You'll have to deal with this less being in radiology compared to other specialties, but it's still somewhat of a consideration. 2/3 of the pt population are non-English speakers, with all the problems that creates for patient care. One of my best friends is a ms4 there. She says all the residents she's worked with from other institutions can't wait to leave. I agree that you'll see a broad range of pathology at Jackson, and Miami vascular is amazing but Jackson in general doesn't have the resources of UF or other programs of similar stature.

Perhaps, but I am pretty close to fluent in Spanish already. Being there will solidify that for sure. I have always wanted to be fluent in a second language and I've actually been studying more spanish in the last year than medicine lol. So that to me is actually a plus not a minus.

I agree with the BS hospital policies in some areas, they do have a union. But it does have some perks at least, such as all bank holidays are holidays for the residents too (who gets veterans day off? seriously?!)

 

[2012mdc]

I'm not talking about the facilities, I'm talking about the hospital policies and people. You'll have to deal with this less being in radiology compared to other specialties, but it's still somewhat of a consideration. 2/3 of the pt population are non-English speakers, with all the problems that creates for patient care. One of my best friends is a ms4 there. She says all the residents she's worked with from other institutions can't wait to leave. I agree that you'll see a broad range of pathology at Jackson, and Miami vascular is amazing but Jackson in general doesn't have the resources of UF or other programs of similar stature.

I've heard similar things from a few friends who go to Miller as well. I've heard people refer to it as Miami's version of Grady in Atlanta, which would make it great for pathology but a pain for the issues you mentioned.

I didn't get an interview there so obviously all of this is hearsay.

If you think you'll get better training at Jackson then go for it.

 

[drizzt3117]

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[PokerDoc]

Imagine if EUH was a more ghetto Grady (i.e, south of I-20) and your other hospital was the VA and no one spoke English, and that's more or less what Jackson is like.

It also has the reputation of working their residents hard in every field. I think you'll get great training there if you can deal with the issues discussed but it certainly isnt going to be a vacation on the beach like some people think.

Ok this is a stretch. I have a colleague from my school who graduated a year ahead of us and shes in her first year of internal medicine at jackson. The language barrier is not a problem like you say it is.85% + speak english.. and every single nurse speaks spanish as well, if your patient doesnt speak english and you don't speak spanish, it hardly slows the day at all.

Yes medicine residents work hard there, but I'm not going into medicine, Radiology has it pretty damn good there.

 

[drizzt3117]

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[PokerDoc]

85% of the patients didn't speak English at Stanford, I'm sure it's less than that at Jackson. Miami has the highest % Hispanics of any major city in the US. Anyways I have no interest in the Hosp for residency or fellowship, I'm just passing on what I heard about the program.

exactly, its what you heard. I don't mean to sound defensive, but I spent two months at that hospital, your source is way off. I had no problems speaking to patients whatsoever, and that was before I really knew any spanish.

 

[2012mdc]

This discourse exhibits why it's important to find out which programs are the right fit and make decisions for yourself.

Different strokes for different folks

 

[badasshairday]

I would love to live in Miami. South Beach!

 

[2012mdc]

I would love to live in Miami. South Beach!

Yeah. I applied to the prelim program at Mt Sinai. Still trying to figure out if a year on South Beach is worth the pain of 7 ward months.

The location of the hospital is unbeatable

 

[drizzt3117]

Anyways, on the topic of interviews, this is my new favorite thread on SDN

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=855776

 

[PokerDoc]

Yeah. I applied to the prelim program at Mt Sinai. Still trying to figure out if a year on South Beach is worth the pain of 7 ward months.

The location of the hospital is unbeatable

I interviewed here for prelim and will be interviewing for radiology in december. Its a pretty awesome location. The hospital is definitely on the older side though.

 

[2012mdc]

I interviewed here for prelim and will be interviewing for radiology in december. Its a pretty awesome location. The hospital is definitely on the older side though.

Yeah it is. Still better than where I did my 3rd year rotations though.

A prelim med year is gonna suck regardless so if I fall to one on my ROL it might as well be one in a good location

 

[PokerDoc]

Yeah it is. Still better than where I did my 3rd year rotations though.

A prelim med year is gonna suck regardless so if I fall to one on my ROL it might as well be one in a good location

Agreed for sure. And it's not so bad at Sinai, they have pretty good coverage, and the impression I'm getting from most of my prelims is that the PGY1 experience has become so standardized that unless you go to bumblef*** north dakota, your going to be doing the same amount of hours everywhere.

 

[MossPoh]

Perhaps, but I am pretty close to fluent in Spanish already. Being there will solidify that for sure. I have always wanted to be fluent in a second language and I've actually been studying more spanish in the last year than medicine lol. So that to me is actually a plus not a minus.

I agree with the BS hospital policies in some areas, they do have a union. But it does have some perks at least, such as all bank holidays are holidays for the residents too (who gets veterans day off? seriously?!)

"fluent" is thrown around a lot, but most people don't understand what true fluency entails. Unless you can understand the vast majority of speech using colloquialisms through a crappy speaker and can write comfortably with idiomatic phrases and some degree of natural flow en you aren't fluent but rather "proficient". I'm not saying you aren't, but Americans are notorious for overestimating their language abilities. Yes, douchie thing to comment on as well. I am very aware of this.😉

South beach is crap now. It lives off of its name but it is a bunch of spoiled brats driving ferraris, gold diggers and overpriced drinks.

 

[PokerDoc]

"Yes, douchie thing to comment on as well. I am very aware of this.😉

Yes, it was. Thanks anyway.

 

[2012mdc]

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South beach is crap now. It lives off of its name but it is a bunch of spoiled brats driving ferraris, gold diggers and overpriced drinks.

It's not for everybody but I've always had a good time there and my friends who go to Miller live in the Miami Beach area and love it.

Any major city is going to have spoiled brats and gold diggers at the "trendy" places. You just have to know which places to go to and specifically in Miami the more local spots vs the touristy ones

 

[DrBowtie]

<- No interest in Miami. Interesting discourse nonetheless.

I'll be keeping my #1 to myself 😉