Radiology 2012 applicants

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SGuttenberg said:
dear mother of god are you guys really complaining about having too many interviews at elite programs? is this real life? oh wait, it's not it's SDN.
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No. I'm complaining about a lot mid tiers passing me over thus far leading to only having 5 interviews right now.
 
2012mdc said:
No. I'm complaining about a lot mid tiers passing me over thus far leading to only having 5 interviews right now.
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Can you define mid-tier? Is this the low end of the top 25 or ??

I've seen plenty of discussion of "top programs', little on the so called mid-tier. Whenever I have seen topics on mid-tiers, people list places like U Flordia, UVA, TJU, maryland etc. that are NOT mid-tier at all but rather high end to most of us, maybe just not to the people who are MGH, UCSF or bust.
 
It is a reasonable worry/complaint to have. There are people who are victims of their own success. I think it is a false assumption to believe every applicant with great stats wants to end up at a "top tier" program or that those programs are the right fit for them. Most people want to end up at a program where they feel they will get solid training, as well as feel comfortable around and enjoy interacting with their fellow residents/attendings.

Just keep chugging along as the elite rockstars you guys are. 😉


Side note, is there a specific place on the applications you can note where you grew up? I'm from the Midwest, went to undergrad at an east coast-ish school, but am in the South now.
 
SGuttenberg said:
Can you define mid-tier? Is this the low end of the top 25 or ??

I've seen plenty of discussion of "top programs', little on the so called mid-tier. Whenever I have seen topics on mid-tiers, people list places like U Flordia, UVA, TJU, maryland etc. that are NOT mid-tier at all but rather high end to most of us, maybe just not to the people who are MGH, UCSF or bust.
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UT Houston, Baylor Houston, MUSC, UAB, Colorado, Miami are probably the best examples I have. All solid academic programs but I don't think any of them rank in the top 25 or so for competitiveness

MossPoh said:
It is a reasonable worry/complaint to have. There are people who are victims of their own success. I think it is a false assumption to believe every applicant with great stats wants to end up at a "top tier" program or that those programs are the right fit for them. Most people want to end up at a program where they feel they will get solid training, as well as feel comfortable around and enjoy interacting with their fellow residents/attendings.

Just keep chugging along as the elite rockstars you guys are. 😉


Side note, is there a specific place on the applications you can note where you grew up? I'm from the Midwest, went to undergrad at an east coast-ish school, but am in the South now.
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There's a place to put birth place. Do your parents still live in the Midwest? I used my mother's Cali address as my address to emphasize the connection.
 
SGuttenberg said:
dear mother of god are you guys really complaining about having too many interviews at elite programs? is this real life? oh wait, it's not it's SDN.
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haha, I love you guys but kiiiiiinda agree with this lol.
 
It is tough to make it to all these dinners. But they are a definite good way to get a feel for the program by meeting some of the residents. It is just getting expensive, because doing the dinner means booking another night of lodging. 🙁 Plus I have Step II studying this month so it adds to another chunk of lost study time.
 
badasshairday said:
It is tough to make it to all these dinners. But they are a definite good way to get a feel for the program by meeting some of the residents. It is just getting expensive, because doing the dinner means booking another night of lodging. 🙁 Plus I have Step II studying this month so it adds to another chunk of lost study time.
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If it wasn't for dinners you would fly/drive in the morning of the interview?

For all of my interviews (intern yr and rads) I'm flying/driving in the night before regardless of there being a dinner unless it's a real close drive
 
2012mdc said:
If it wasn't for dinners you would fly/drive in the morning of the interview?

For all of my interviews (intern yr and rads) I'm flying/driving in the night before regardless of there being a dinner unless it's a real close drive
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I agree. I just think the problem becomes when you stack 3-4 interviews in a row.. I got a stretch where I go from NYC --> Boston --> Philly --> New Haven --> Worchester 5 days straight. thats gonna suck.. I thnk only one of those has a dinner though.
 
PokerDoc said:
I agree. I just think the problem becomes when you stack 3-4 interviews in a row.. I got a stretch where I go from NYC --> Boston --> Philly --> New Haven --> Worchester 5 days straight. thats gonna suck.. I thnk only one of those has a dinner though.
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That sounds awful.

I don't have any interviews back to back but that may change with the post-MSPE bolus.

Right now flight cost is hurting me more than anything.
 
2012mdc said:
If it wasn't for dinners you would fly/drive in the morning of the interview?

For all of my interviews (intern yr and rads) I'm flying/driving in the night before regardless of there being a dinner unless it's a real close drive
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Boards are killing me man. I'm taking Step II on December 1. I have a couple of more days also that I will be gone for 2-3 days in a row. This program is close enough to drive but it requires lodging or another long drive back home and back there again the next AM for the interview. The interview is late enough in the day that driving in the AM is feasible.
 
2012mdc said:
That sounds awful.

I don't have any interviews back to back but that may change with the post-MSPE bolus.

Right now flight cost is hurting me more than anything.
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Yeah man.. but fortunately, I think I will be able to drive nearly everywhere or take amtrak at the worst.. I only need to fly to florida so far, and maybe Pittsburgh.
 
PokerDoc said:
Yeah man.. but fortunately, I think I will be able to drive nearly everywhere or take amtrak at the worst.. I only need to fly to florida so far, and maybe Pittsburgh.
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Yeah. I'm in Atlanta for November and December and then I'll be in LA for January.

Outside of Emory, I don't have any drivable interviews in Nov or Dec (Miami, Baltimore, Philly, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Tucson, Dallas).

LA will be convenient for Cali interviews but terrible for east coast ones so I've tried to schedule all of the ones in the Central/Eastern time zones for these next two months.

Oh well, it's peanuts compared to the total cost of med school
 
2012mdc said:
Yeah. I'm in Atlanta for November and December and then I'll be in LA for January.

Outside of Emory, I don't have any drivable interviews in Nov or Dec (Miami, Baltimore, Philly, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Tucson, Dallas).

LA will be convenient for Cali interviews but terrible for east coast ones so I've tried to schedule all of the ones in the Central/Eastern time zones for these next two months.

Oh well, it's peanuts compared to the total cost of med school
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Yeah, and I think 4th year med students have been approved for $3000 more in loans for interviews if thats something you may need. I saw an email about it last week but didnt really read it.
 
PokerDoc said:
Yeah, and I think 4th year med students have been approved for $3000 more in loans for interviews if thats something you may need. I saw an email about it last week but didnt really read it.
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I need like a 3K loan Stafford Loan right about now. Grad plus sucks.
 
I have two interviews a week during a rotation this month, Tgiving and RSNA on back to back weeks sucks. I have dec off but there's only 2.5 real weeks to interview during it.
 
G'town rejection today.

I have a feeling this is going to be a tense week
 
2012mdc said:
G'town rejection today.

I have a feeling this is going to be a tense week
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I got rejected by the Detroit/wayne state program, but they did not even download parts of my application. Why would they do that? Shouldn't they at least look at my application before denying me?
 
Got both myself
 
Alright, so would you guys do business casual or suit on the day before the interview tour with the chairman?
 
after a little surge in the post MSPE invites last week of Rads/TY's, this week is off to a not so great start. 2 rejections this morning: UPenn and VCU.
 
Got my first official rejection e-mail today. Only problem was that it was from a program I have an interview with. That was interesting.
 
badasshairday said:
after a little surge in the post MSPE invites last week of Rads/TY's, this week is off to a not so great start. 2 rejections this morning: UPenn and VCU.
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Yeah I feel you man.

I guess I'm adding Penn to the unofficial waitlist pile.
 
Lots of programs handing out the pain today. Up to 5 rejections, 14 interviews now.

At this point is it late enough to give up on programs who have sent interviews to others?
 
SGuttenberg said:
Lots of programs handing out the pain today. Up to 5 rejections, 14 interviews now.

At this point is it late enough to give up on programs who have sent interviews to others?
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Rejected at Georgetown. Fake rejected at Penn which was followed up by an "oops I pressed the wrong button, your original interview date stands" e-mail 15 minutes later. Lame.
 
I need some advice! So like I have explained before, I applied kinda late, and so far I've only gotten 1 rejection and nothing else. The place where I did my training has a radiology program, but I am not in love with it, or the hospital overall. I do think however that if I talked to my PD, I'm sure he could put in a good word for me and I'd likely get in. But then again I am not sure I'd be happy there for the next several years.

The other thing though is that there is a possibility that I may not match since I don't know how interviews will play out ultimately. I need others' opinions on what the best would be:

a-talking to my ex-PD
b-waiting for a bit longer to see if IV's pan out (including where I went to med school, which has not yet sent out IVs!)
c-giving the possibility that there may be a # of unmatched spots open in the scramble and given that the scramble is different this year, should I try to scramble for a better position?
 
Radiculous said:
Rejected at Georgetown. Fake rejected at Penn which was followed up by an "oops I pressed the wrong button, your original interview date stands" e-mail 15 minutes later. Lame.
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How could a place like g-town reject someone penn would consider. Nuts. I'm starting to see you elite guy's concern. It would be scary to only have 10 programs to rank if they were all top 10.

They should state outright in the rejection either "you're too good for us" or in my case "are you serious?? haha. gtfo.")
 
SGuttenberg said:
How could a place like g-town reject someone penn would consider. Nuts. I'm starting to see you elite guy's concern. It would be scary to only have 10 programs to rank if they were all top 10.

They should state outright in the rejection either "you're too good for us" or in my case "are you serious?? haha. gtfo.")
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Yeah man, it's frustrating. I'm good enough for Hopkins but apparently not good enough for G'town.
 
Kinda late? You applied right before the deadline. Can you even be funded by Medicare for a second residency? If you have an in with a program I'd lock that up ASAP. That or actually work and earn money since you are already board certified.

Medstudentquest said:
I need some advice! So like I have explained before, I applied kinda late, and so far I've only gotten 1 rejection and nothing else. The place where I did my training has a radiology program, but I am not in love with it, or the hospital overall. I do think however that if I talked to my PD, I'm sure he could put in a good word for me and I'd likely get in. But then again I am not sure I'd be happy there for the next several years.

The other thing though is that there is a possibility that I may not match since I don't know how interviews will play out ultimately. I need others' opinions on what the best would be:

a-talking to my ex-PD
b-waiting for a bit longer to see if IV's pan out (including where I went to med school, which has not yet sent out IVs!)
c-giving the possibility that there may be a # of unmatched spots open in the scramble and given that the scramble is different this year, should I try to scramble for a better position?
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drizzt3117 said:
Kinda late? You applied right before the deadline. Can you even be funded by Medicare for a second residency? If you have an in with a program I'd lock that up ASAP. That or actually work and earn money since you are already board certified.
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Yes, kinda late. It's a long story but that's what happened, and realistically there's nothing intrinsically wrong with applying before the deadline. That's how I have always done it-from undergrad to med school and grad school, and just about every single scholarship I've ever gotten, and it has not being a problem.

I don't think I'd be happy with the program though, and it's rather small. How easy would it be to scramble into an open radiology spot in the event that I don't match?
 
gtown rejected me too. Obviously they don't like SDNers lol
 
2012mdc said:
There's a place to put birth place. Do your parents still live in the Midwest? I used my mother's Cali address as my address to emphasize the connection.
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Nope, parents moved to Florida after I graduated high school and my birthplace is Florida. We moved up there when I was a baby. Guess I'm hosed unless I put my family's farm or something. 😛
 
Medstudentquest said:
Yes, kinda late. It's a long story but that's what happened, and realistically there's nothing intrinsically wrong with applying before the deadline. That's how I have always done it-from undergrad to med school and grad school, and just about every single scholarship I've ever gotten, and it has not being a problem.
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just because it worked in the past doesn't mean it'll work in the future...especially since this is essentially a rolling process and a lot of programs send out interviews before the 'deadline'....so in that sense there is something intrinsically wrong with that...

either way, if you can afford to not do a residency for a year, i'd wait for more IVs to roll out and if you don't get anything this round, improve your application and apply early next year

but if you really need to work, then you should weigh the pros and cons of working at your home institution and ask that PD to put in a good word...and keep in mind that even he/she might not be able to pull the weight to get you in...
 
2012mdc said:
Got passed too. Definitely disappointed. Hopefully this says little for my chances at other Cali programs
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UCSF is historically this week. I have: zero ties to Cali, no aways, no spouse loved one or bigwig UCSF alum to vouch on my behalf. Taking suggestions on the form of comfort food to gorge on when the rejection swiftly comes. Right now thinking of a double order of Pad Thai.
 
Radiculous said:
UCSF is historically this week. I have: zero ties to Cali, no aways, no spouse loved one or bigwig UCSF alum to vouch on my behalf. Taking suggestions on the form of comfort food to gorge on when the rejection swiftly comes. Right now thinking of a double order of Pad Thai.
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:laugh:

Add your favorite dessert and you're good.

This week is going to be a mixture of 👍😀😱😕😡:scared:🙁
 
weird I didnt get the Penn rejection- and I find it highly unlikely I am on an unofficial wait list. guess they just forgot to send me the rejection haha
 
I haven't heard anything from Santa Clara Valley Medical except for my interview invite about a month or 2 ago for the prelim med program. :xf:

Based on last years AM thread on interview invites, they had two dates they let people know. So either I'm looking at the ban hammer or some CA love.
 
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I have 3 programs on the AM rejections list (who have handed out interviews too). I haven't heard anything from them but they have got to be full on interviews by now. Does this mean I am unofficially wait listed?
 
DrBowtie said:
That's how I'm interpreting it.
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Same here.

Although I'm treating it like a rejection because the chance of getting pulled off the waitlist plus actually being able to fit in the interview decreases over time.
 
2012mdc said:
Same here.

Although I'm treating it like a rejection because the chance of getting pulled off the waitlist plus actually being able to fit in the interview decreases over time.
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This. Also, depends on where you're waitlisted. I mean, if you get waitlisted at MGH, that's as good as a rejection. People aren't cancelling that interview to go interview somewhere else.
 
2012mdc said:
Same here.

Although I'm treating it like a rejection because the chance of getting pulled off the waitlist plus actually being able to fit in the interview decreases over time.
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Oh I'm not holding my breath on places I got wait listed at, but somehow it stings less than a flat out rejection.

Still, I'd rather have a rejection than no response at all which is what I have from the majority of programs I applied to (the vast majority of those have sent interviews out to others already)
 
SGuttenberg said:
Oh I'm not holding my breath on places I got wait listed at, but somehow it stings less than a flat out rejection.

Still, I'd rather have a rejection than no response at all which is what I have from the majority of programs I applied to (the vast majority of those have sent interviews out to others already)
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Contact the programs you are interested in that sent out invites but no rejection to you yet. In the wise words of Dr. TLM on the AM forums said, "it can't hurt you." (paraphrasing).
 
Does it really make a difference if you let a program like PENN know that "you're interested" though?
 
Have any of you guys that received a U Wisconsin invite hear back from the PC yet? I've emailed her twice now and have yet to get a response for a date.
 
They need a better system. For example like the NFLs injury report

Active
Probably
Questionable
Doubtful
Out


*total blatant joke btw.. for those who don't follow nfl*
 
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