Radiology 2012 applicants

[meister]

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I have been blown away by the invites I have gotten.... 26 rads alone (of 56 applied to). I will admit not all are large academic programs, but about 1/2 actually are.

Another mid-tier here, I have pretty crappy M1-M2 grades though no Fs or Ms. I've gotten 21 interviews so far, about 7 at good, large university programs. if I had better grades I get the feeling I would have gotten a lot more top interviews than I have.

Guess we'll see how I do when the Cali invites start rolling in.

 

[drizzt3117]

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[Medstudentquest]

Another mid-tier here, I have pretty crappy M1-M2 grades though no Fs or Ms. I've gotten 21 interviews so far, about 7 at good, large university programs. if I had better grades I get the feeling I would have gotten a lot more top interviews than I have.

Guess we'll see how I do when the Cali invites start rolling in.

That's very strange. I had very good grades M1-M2, many honors, mostly honors in M3/M4, another grad degree, and the list goes on, and still stuck with minimal IVs.

Did you turn in your app super early or have stellar board scores/tons of publications?

 

[meister]

Nah I'm mid-tier man, I have high 240s step 1, several honors M3M4, no pubs. I did submit ERAS 9/1 at 10AM.

I probably applied to a lot more programs than you did, and since my school is in the south maybe I have an easier time catching interviews around here.

 

[2012mdc]

That's very strange. I had very good grades M1-M2, many honors, mostly honors in M3/M4, another grad degree, and the list goes on, and still stuck with minimal IVs.

Did you turn in your app super early or have stellar board scores/tons of publications?

You applied late man. You gotta give places time to look at your app.

I have 260, AOA, and I'm sitting on 5 invites. With the programs left to give out invites the absolute best case scenario is 15 invites but I'll probably get 10-12. And this is out of 45 programs and I submitted Sept 1st and had my last letter in by the 3rd week of Sept.

Rads is tough and there are a lot of qualified applicants and applying late like you did is enough reason for programs to ditch your app. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand.

 

[Medstudentquest]

You applied late man. You gotta give places time to look at your app.

I have 260, AOA, 3.94 and I'm sitting on 5 invites. With the programs left to give out invites the absolute best case scenario is 15 invites but I'll probably get 10-12. And this is out of 45 programs and I submitted Sept 1st and had my last letter in by the 3rd week of Sept.

Rads is tough and there are a lot of qualified applicants and applying late like you did is enough reason for programs to ditch your app. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand.

No need to get upset. 🙂 Quite a # of programs still giving out IVs. Just trying to get an idea of what rads applicants are like. I don't expect the ones that have already given out IVs long ago to give me IVs, but the ones that have not sent them out or that are maybe not so great or top tier would make sense. Hey, if I'm good enough for derm, I'm good enough for rads. That's for sure!

You should definitely have more IVs though. I don't see why with your scores you don't have more! That's also surprising.

 

[drizzt3117]

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[badasshairday]

No need to get upset. 🙂 Quite a # of programs still giving out IVs. Just trying to get an idea of what rads applicants are like. I don't expect the ones that have already given out IVs long ago to give me IVs, but the ones that have not sent them out or that are maybe not so great or top tier would make sense.

I wish you the best of luck. However, my PD told me to submit my application no later than the second week of September so that way my application will be at the top of the application stack when they start reviewing. So even though some programs have not yet given out IV's, submitting super late puts you at the very bottom of the stack. By the time they get to your app, they probably will have already sent out all the IV invites and you will end up on the unofficial wait lists.

 

[aceshighk]

Nah I'm mid-tier man, I have high 240s step 1, several honors M3M4, no pubs. I did submit ERAS 9/1 at 10AM.

I probably applied to a lot more programs than you did, and since my school is in the south maybe I have an easier time catching interviews around here.

just to throw my hat in the ring, since this is a convo I can actually contribute to...

def a mid-tier applicant (240s step I, a few honors in my transcript, a few case reports, good LoRs, no AOA)...applied on Sept 1...

sitting on about 12 IVs, mostly in the South, mid-tier...mostly academic, some community....

I get the feeling the mid-tier programs are picking people who don't consider going to their place as 'settling'....in other words, they are letting the top programs interview the top applicants, and they are more than happy to interview people like me....maybe cause a lot of programs got burned last year (a lot of spots were unfilled initially), so now they're being more realistic..

either way, I ain't complaining cause I've got IVs at many of the places I'd really want to go...

 

[drizzt3117]

I wish you the best of luck. However, my PD told me to submit my application no later than the second week of September so that way my application will be at the top of the application stack when they start reviewing. So even though some programs have not yet given out IV's, submitting super late puts you at the very bottom of the stack. By the time they get to your app, they probably will have already sent out all the IV invites and you will end up on the unofficial wait lists.

I submitted ERAS on 9/1 at 8:00 AM EST (I was in the msk reading room at brigham at the time). However, My transcript was delayed 2 weeks and this probably cost me a few interviews including a few (UVA, umich) that I actually really wanted.

 

[killinsound]

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[drizzt3117]

yeah my 2nd clinical letter (and 4th letter overall) wasn't in till oct 7.

 

[rem6775]

I'll chime in also.

Background: Step 1 260s / Step 2 CK 270s, AOA, almost all honors M1-M3. From california, but went to school in the midwest. 2/3 of my letters should be great... I don't know what my 3rd letter is like. My 3rd letter was not in until almost the end of Sept.

Before the start of this I would have said I was near the top in terms of applications. However, the only "tip-top schools" I have received are MIR and Hopkins. The rest is a smattering of strong academic institutions. I've been passed over by Indiana, Virginia, Wake Forest, NW, UPenn, Yale, etc. I don't know if this is because I'm from California or what, but I have not been ignored by the MW or the south... just by highly desired programs (BID, MGHs, Yales, UPenns). I guess I wouldn't count myself to be in the "top" anymore because of the lack of interest from the huge schools, but I have been extremely happy to receive around 20 interviews of low-upper to high-mid tier level program.

I don't know how you can consider yourself anything but a top applicant. There simply are not that many with 260+ Step 1, AOA, nearly all honors. If anything not having that third letter in was a bigger problem. But honestly, how many people really have those scores/accomplishments? Not nearly 100.

 

[killinsound]

I don't know how you can consider yourself anything but a top applicant. There simply are not that many with 260+ Step 1, AOA, nearly all honors. If anything not having that third letter in was a bigger problem. But honestly, how many people really have those scores/accomplishments? Not nearly 100.

The point I was trying to make was to draw contrast from drizzt and 2012mdc's apps. I know they have fewer IVs and more "higher tier" interviews, but I feel like we have similar stats. I know drizz kills me on research though.

 

[drizzt3117]

The point I was trying to make was to draw contrast from drizzt and 2012mdc's apps. I know they have fewer IVs and more "higher tier" interviews, but I feel like we have similar stats. I know drizz kills me on research though.

I think part of it is my PS. I make it very clear that I want to do academic radiology and do lots of research during residency, so that might turn off programs that mostly train clinicians / private practitioners.

 

[drizzt3117]

Pretty used to it at this point... Washington but no ohsu...

 

[killinsound]

Pretty used to it at this point... Washington but no ohsu...

It's okay. I got neither.

 

[badasshairday]

Guys, a little off topic but I think we can all take 30 seconds to help this cause which will directly affect us in terms of residency:

Congress is discussing a deficit reduction proposal that would cut up to 60% ($60 billion) in federal GME support and jeopardize residency training programs across the country. Congress is expected to finalize its multi-trillion-dollar package of program cuts in the next few days.

As soon as possible, please visit the AAMC Legislative Action Center (http://capwiz.com/aamc/home/) to send a pre-formatted electronic letter to your Senators and Representatives urging them to oppose GME cuts as part of deficit reduction.

If you reside in Arizona, California, Washington State, Massachusetts, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Montana, Michigan, Maryland, Texas, or South Carolina, it is particularly important to voice your concern, since you are represented by members of the "Super Committee" that will finalize the deficit reduction plan.

http://capwiz.com/aamc/home/

Click the link and the appropriate button "medical student" or "resident" and it is all preset. Also use your personal email rather than your institutions email address when you fill it in (instructions from my school, not sure why it would matter).

 

[jahbrony]

Congress is discussing a deficit reduction proposal that would cut up to 60% ($60 billion) in federal GME support and jeopardize residency training programs across the country. Congress is expected to finalize its multi-trillion-dollar package of program cuts in the next few days.

I'm I following this right?

So most of us pay for undergrad, pay for medical school, then we work for peanuts for 3 to 5 years. And now, they want us to work for poppy seeds, but only until they push through legislature to have us actually paying to train ourselves as residents. And as if that weren't enough, people say we make too much money, and that our salaries should be cut as well.

Man, this country is so ass backwards sometimes, it gives me headaches. I picked the wrong profession.

Is it too late to work at McDonald's? Dr. Bowtie, drizzT, and others....would you like fries with that?

 

[Medstudentquest]

I'm I following this right?

So most of us pay for undergrad, pay for medical school, then we work for peanuts for 3 to 5 years. And now, they want us to work for poppy seeds, but only until they push through legislature to have us actually paying to train ourselves as residents. And as if that weren't enough, people say we make too much money, and that our salaries should be cut as well.

Man, this country is so ass backwards sometimes, it gives me headaches. I picked the wrong profession.

Is it too late to work at McDonald's? Dr. Bowtie, drizzT, and others....would you like fries with that?

It's a fascinating situation really. Many of those in primary care fields can barely stay afloat, yet the government wonders why so many of us don't go into primary care, and the gov is also concerned about the shortage of doctors, and their solution is -hey! let's make them PAY for working 80 hours a week during their training. I think medical school is going to be the easiest graduate training to get into if this passes. I wonder if anyone is actually thinking when they propose these new regulations?

 

[2012mdc]

The point I was trying to make was to draw contrast from drizzt and 2012mdc's apps. I know they have fewer IVs and more "higher tier" interviews, but I feel like we have similar stats. I know drizz kills me on research though.

Well it depends on what you consider higher tier. I have Hopkins, Pitt, UTSW, and Emory. Passed over by a lot of big name places and a lot of mid tiers (only Arizona has shown me love)

 

[badasshairday]

So I'd consider myself an mid-tier to upper mid-tier applicant at best. Step 1 250, 3rd year Honors in Surg, FM, Rads only, rest HP, no pubs but 2 research experiences. I've mostly heard from regional (solid programs) midwestern community and mid-tier academic programs. I've got some great programs that are considered "mid-tier" (but I think are freakin' awesome) including U of Colorado, UNC, U of Arizona and two CA invites (not UC's, but CA nevertheless). No invites to any big names.

 

[drizzt3117]

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[Radiculous]

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[drizzt3117]

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[Radiculous]

Did you actually get a rejection from unc? I just have silence...

Oops, you're right. Just silence. Also silence with Sinai. I just rattled off the top of my head.

I've already cancelled 5 interviews by the way, I'm not going to be one of those selfish bastards who holds on to everything until the last minute, I recognize that you have to look out for #1 in this process but I'm trying to exercise some courtesy to fellow applicants by not hanging on to IVs I know I won't have time to attend.

That leaves me with 15 right now, and I'll keep cancelling sequentially if I receive more invites so that I end up with around 15-16 total.

 

[drizzt3117]

Btw stl is f-ing far away. I feel like I've been driving forever.

 

[drizzt3117]

Does anyone find it frustrating when programs you've already interviewed at send you eras messages titled "interview"?

 

[rem6775]

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Seems pretty similar. Got a couple you got rejects from and silence from some you have invites at. Such a crapshoot.

 

[drizzt3117]

Seems pretty similar. Got a couple you got rejects from and silence from some you have invites at. Unfortunately, all those are the ones I desperately wanted (UVA/UW/BIDMC). Such a crapshoot.

Why all the love for bid? Location? Pm me if you want.

 

[2012mdc]

Yeah I think going to a top school matters a lot. I knew my school and lack of research would hold me back at some of the top tiers but I'm not complaining about the quality of my interviews. I'm just surprised by the lack of mid tier love.

 

[drizzt3117]

Yeah I think going to a top school matters a lot. I knew my school and lack of research would hold me back at some of the top tiers but I'm not complaining about the quality of my interviews. I'm just surprised by the lack of mid tier love.

I think you're going to get a lot of the CA mid-tiers. My cousin had a very similar app to you last year (8 pts lower step 1 but mid tier school, no research, aoa, CA native) and got uci, USC, Stanford, Ucla, and ucd last year and is at a uC now. I'm surprised you didn't get ohsu tho!

 

[2012mdc]

I think you're going to get a lot of the CA mid-tiers. My cousin had a very similar app to you last year (8 pts lower step 1 but mid tier school, no research, aoa, CA native) and got uci, USC, Stanford, Ucla, and ucd last year and is at a uC now.

Yeah I'm banking on that. If that happens then it won't matter that the Southern mid tiers hate me and it also means they were correct in assuming I'd rank them lower.

I'd be very happy at any of the UC's.

 

[badasshairday]

so far pretty quiet today..................................................... 😕 only 3 more hours left in the normal work day for the West Coast. East Coast is done, midwest has an hour more to go.

 

[drizzt3117]

so far pretty quiet today..................................................... 😕 only 3 more hours left in the normal work day for the West Coast. East Coast is done, midwest has an hour more to go.

Did you get the ohsu hate mail?

 

[DrBowtie]

Anyone have any good templates for taking notes after the interview? Stuff is starting to blend together, especially pay/benefits stuff.

 

[badasshairday]

Did you get the ohsu hate mail?

🙁

I spoke too soon. Just got it like 5 minutes after I posted that.

Whatever though, I didn't want to go there anyways.... too rainy! (for those studying for step 2ck, what ego defense did I display?)

 

[2012mdc]

🙁

I spoke too soon. Just got it like 5 minutes after I posted that.

Whatever though, I didn't want to go there anyways.... too rainy! (for those studying for step 2ck, what ego defense did I display?)

Rationalization haha.

Got the hate mail as well and silence from Harbor

 

[badasshairday]

based on last year's AM interview thread, Harbor had a few waves of interview releases.

 

[grayscaleart]

no OHSU "hate mail" or interview or any type of acknowledgment whatsoever. i want this interview so badly

 

[PokerDoc]

Anyone have any good templates for taking notes after the interview? Stuff is starting to blend together, especially pay/benefits stuff.

im using this MatchDR app on the iphone, its kinda nice.. nothing groundbrekaing but convinient nonetheless, since i can quickly punch in notes as the interview day is progressing.

 

[jazzman84]

no OHSU "hate mail" or interview or any type of acknowledgment whatsoever. i want this interview so badly

Same. Hoping the lack of a rejection means I'm still in the game

 

[drizzt3117]

Good luck guys, I certainly wouldnt have gone had I gotten one so I hope they go to people who really want them.

 

[BigRedPremed]

What do you guys think about calling or emailing to request interviews at places we haven't heard from? If emailing, should it be sent to the program director or program coordinators?

 

[PokerDoc]

What do you guys think about calling or emailing to request interviews at places we haven't heard from? If emailing, should it be sent to the program director or program coordinators?

I'm not high on it unless theyre your top choice.. and you should email the PC if you chose to

 

[PokerDoc]

At the risk of sounding uber nerdy.. I am so excited for this weekend.. Call of duty 3, Skyrim both came out and are sitting on my desk. Also invited into the SWTOR beta. This is too cool! I plan to totally forget about med school and interviews for a couple day and just play games all weekend.

 

[meister]

What do you guys think about calling or emailing to request interviews at places we haven't heard from? If emailing, should it be sent to the program director or program coordinators?

if you already missed out on a waive of invites what possible harm could it do? i'm all about it.

 

[rem6775]

At the risk of sounding uber nerdy.. I am so excited for this weekend.. Call of duty 3, Skyrim both came out and are sitting on my desk. Also invited into the SWTOR beta. This is too cool! I plan to totally forget about med school and interviews for a couple day and just play games all weekend.

If it makes you feel better, I ordered parts for a new comp, and am planning on building it Saturday or Sunday depending on when the parts all come in. Also picked up MW3.

 

[killinsound]

UCI at 9pm..

 

[meister]

damn...