Rallying My Fellow URMs: PART 2

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Heal&Teach said:
Ummm... I don't really trust that website, aside from the few folks on here that are actually nice enough to link their profiles to their sigs (e.g., exmike, jlee, & others). This one has no other information and looks pretty bogus, especially since the application year listed is 2005. 🙄 If this is true (which I don't believe it to be), this person definitely had some sort of "in", no question about it. I don't even know people with these numbers (esp. a 4) that have gotten into any international schools (absolutely no offense to anyone at an international school - the lowest I've ever heard is someone applying with a 6 in any section to allopathic, osteopathic, and caribbean schools). The only thing that might lead me to believe this (and only marginally) is the fact that Buffalo is one of those schools where how you perform in the interview weighs heavily on your acceptance. If he was lucky enough to get through the screening process... more power to him, but I find it hard to believe that ANYONE got in with a 20 (I've known of 21s getting in and above, but not 20s, esp. with the numbers not being even).

i know, i never check that site 😀
though i know 1 guy with a 19 that got into Wayne state 3yrs ago!!
 
rhlmdmph2b said:
where did this thread come from? I've never seen it!!

its been around since last yr 👍
 
lotanna said:
😀

@Amicus, u dont even know the whole story so best to keep the mouth closed 🙄

The post is bogus and you know it.

Keep on rolling your eyes....and be sure to ask your school who was the person who was 1st on the waitlist at the very end of the cycle. Call him up and explain to him why your embarassing stats dont mean you dont deserve the spot on school more than he does...i dare you. Or is it easier not to look the person you have screwed over in the eye?
 
Amicus said:
The post is bogus and you know it.

Keep on rolling your eyes....and be sure to ask your school who was the person who was 1st on the waitlist at the very end of the cycle. Call him up and explain to him why your embarassing stats dont mean you dont deserve the spot on school more than he does...i dare you. Or is it easier not to look the person you have screwed over in the eye?


oh spare me Amicus.
fyi buster, i had to go get a grad degree and do more so focusin on what i posted as MCAT and undergrad degree is ignorant. Many other non URMS were accepted to my schl with MCATs under 30, schls average is 27-28 btw.
Then again this is SDN, do urself a favor and go to the USMLE forums, and then check out MCAT scores of those who posted, even the sub 30 ones, and then holla back.

Back to main topic pls
 
I attended the University of Rochester (NY) and know of at least two asians and several caucasians that have got into one of the SUNY medical schools with 3.2 (and much lower) and below 30 on the MCAT. Whether or not that post is bogus or not I can't say...

Anyway...congratulations to all who are in the class of 2008 whatever school, whatever MCAT, and whatever GPA!!!!!!

Go out and become great doctors!!!!!
 
lotanna said:
oh spare me Amicus.
fyi buster, i had to go get a grad degree and do more so focusin on what i posted as MCAT and undergrad degree is ignorant. Many other non URMS were accepted to my schl with MCATs under 30, schls average is 27-28 btw.
Then again this is SDN, do urself a favor and go to the USMLE forums, and then check out MCAT scores of those who posted, even the sub 30 ones, and then holla back.

Back to main topic pls

Lotanna,

YOU KNOW WE ARE VERY PROUD OF YOU!!!! :clap: :clap:

PS- Just make sure the 4 years from now, everyone that thinks you're "unqualified" address you as DOCTOR 😉
 
lotanna said:
fyi buster, i had to go get a grad degree and do more so focusin on what i posted as MCAT and undergrad degree is ignorant. Many other non URMS were accepted to my schl with MCATs under 30, schls average is 27-28 btw.
Then again this is SDN, do urself a favor and go to the USMLE forums, and then check out MCAT scores of those who posted, even the sub 30 ones, and then holla back.

Back to main topic pls

It is almoast funny how URMs will hide from valid criticisms. Its like someone threw a hand grenade in the room, everybody bolts.

This issue is not whether or not you will fail in school. That, as you well know, does not make it right. You are keeping someone else out who, were he/she black, would have your spot right now. It doesnt matter if you pass med school or not, you used up a space you didnt earn and someone else is not going te be a doctor now. Someone else who earned their spot on merit not race. And you know you agree deep down or you would have the nuts to call this person up and explain to him why you deserve his/her spot becuase you are black.
 
Why does every URM thread have to turn into an affirmative action debate? Can't they have their own support thread to discuss issues important to them? I'm actually against AA, but I don't think we need to hijack a group's thread because we don't agree with a policy that the people on this forum can't control anyway.
 
Amicus said:
It is almoast funny how URMs will hide from valid criticisms. Its like someone threw a hand grenade in the room, everybody bolts.

This issue is not whether or not you will fail in school. That, as you well know, does not make it right. You are keeping someone else out who, were he/she black, would have your spot right now. It doesnt matter if you pass med school or not, you used up a space you didnt earn and someone else is not going te be a doctor now. Someone else who earned their spot on merit not race. And you know you agree deep down or you would have the nuts to call this person up and explain to him why you deserve his/her spot becuase you are black.

I dont even know why I'm responding to yet another troll but you dont know me, you dont know ANYTHING about me, you dont know what I've done and what I've NOT done. SO what does that make you? Who made u the Almighty to judge me or my TOTAL application. All you know is I said I had less than a 30, do you know how many people have less than a 30 and are in med schl?
My BLACK friend who had a higher MCAT didnt get accepted buster!, now your confused behind is mentally twisted, yeah keep thinking about that, #s arent everything, and unfortunately she wasnt well rounded.
Did I get accepted with a sub 3.0 undergrad GPA? Nooo!! Get it right, thats why I had to spend 2yrs on a grad degree, thats why I had to do research, thats why... no point explaining jack to you, you're the stereotypical SDNer, or rather the stereotypical red neck. If you've something against black people in general, go figure it out yourself, cause I cant help you there. This is the last you'll get a response from me, so if you like you can waste your time wondering what part I took or didnt take.
Stop spitting loose fire from your behind, cause it really does stink!
 
amicus i dont know why you're being so confrontational with lotanna. its ridiculous to say that she "took" somebody's spot, as if spots were that person's already. look man, just concentrate on your own app. honest to god if you get into med school it because you deserve it, and if you dont, then try again if being a physician is what you truly want to be. hassling one person isnt doing any good to change anything, go write to your local politician if you feel so strongly about this 👎
 
pathdr2b said:
Lotanna,

YOU KNOW WE ARE VERY PROUD OF YOU!!!! :clap: :clap:

PS- Just make sure the 4 years from now, everyone that thinks you're "unqualified" address you as DOCTOR 😉


Hey lady!!
Howz the studying going??
You got that right, even the rednecks wont be able to pick and choose their doc's color 😀
 
Amicus,

I'm a "URM (which is student doctor for ni*ger)." What am I hiding from? You can come meet me in Oklahoma City and talk to me about this face to face.

Congrats Lotanna. Make us proud.
 
Amicus said:
It is almoast funny how URMs will hide from valid criticisms. Its like someone threw a hand grenade in the room, everybody bolts.

This issue is not whether or not you will fail in school. That, as you well know, does not make it right. You are keeping someone else out who, were he/she black, would have your spot right now. It doesnt matter if you pass med school or not, you used up a space you didnt earn and someone else is not going te be a doctor now. Someone else who earned their spot on merit not race. And you know you agree deep down or you would have the nuts to call this person up and explain to him why you deserve his/her spot becuase you are black.


Medical schools are looking to enroll a diverse class. . .a class from many cultural, religious, and economic backgrounds. . a class that represents the world as we know it. Therefore, more qualitative evaluations are used to admit/reject/withdraw students. Yes, I know race plays a factor. . .but not to the extent you assume. If an individual is a truly stellar candidate, do you really think the school would accept him/her over a "less qualified URM?" I doubt it. The people that are on the waitlist, URM and non-URM alike, are all borderline and have SOMETHING that they can improve on. So. . .for all of those non-URM's out there who believe they were unjustly placed on the waitlist while some "less qualified URM" took their spot. . .I would tell them to bring it. . .do better on the MCAT, get more clinical experience, volunteer, etc. If you really want to be a doctor, you shouldn't just sit and pout. . .you should make it happen. So, instead of huffing and puffing, make yourself the best candidate you can be. . .and in the meanwhile, you might even develop some characteristics that will make you a better doctor.
 
Im a med student already, im not worried about MY spot, ive got it.
I knew the realities of AA as an undergrad and so i put in the extra work to make myself a susseful aplicant even under the burden of an AA system.
The issue is not about me, it is about the poor guys who dont get to be doctors becuase they are not "diverse" (AKA black) enough.

I admitt I DONT know lotannas qualifications. So for that I am sorry.
But the averages are the averages and they didnt get as low as they are without the vast majority of URM applicants being admitted though race based admissions. I dont think simply your GPA in udergrad proves much since you have a broad record to look at and certianly a sub 30 is not synonumous with underqualified. From your past posts it did seem however that you belived that race bases admissions played a part in your being admitted. If that is true my criticisms stand. If not, congrats you kick a**.
 
Amicus said:
Im a med student already, im not worried about MY spot, ive got it.
I knew the realities of AA as an undergrad and so i put in the extra work to make myself a susseful aplicant even under the burden of an AA system.
The issue is not about me, it is about the poor guys who dont get to be doctors becuase they are not "diverse" (AKA black) enough.


Why are you assuming that these people were destined to get in, in the first place?
Who made you the advocate for the poor guys that don't get in? Unless you have personal copies of their COMPLETE files I don't see on what basis you can generalize and support an entire group of people (waitlisters). Before you defend someone shouldn't you make sure that indeed the ONLY reason they didn't get in is b/cuz they weren't diverse as you put it?
I think you should stop taking your criticisms of AA out on fellow students who are also trying to make it and do good in this world. Everytime the URMs try to unite and support themselves someone has to throw Anti-AA comments in their face and I don't think they deserve that.
If you're really that pissed about it why don't you sit down with the adcoms at the school you attend now. You can express to them your disdain for their AA policies and demand reform. Maybe they can enlighten you as to why they value their policies. Maybe they will wonder why they let you in because from your above statements you seem to not value diversity: "The issue is not about me, it is about the poor guys who dont get to be doctors becuase they are not "diverse"
In addition, you seem to have a limited threshold for compassion.
It seems to me as if this is your best bet because you're obviously not finding the answers or solace you need here.
Also, I think that it is very lame of you to imply that you worked so hard in fear that AA would keep you out of medical school:

Amicus said:
"I knew the realities of AA as an undergrad and so i put in the extra work to make myself a susseful aplicant even under the burden of an AA system.

AA is really not that big of a beast or burden-according to the MSAR, in 2003 11,285 whites were accepted and 1,203 blacks were accepted. I reiterate AA is really not that big of a beast. AA made you so insecure that you didn't feel you could earn one of these 11,285 seats 😕
And you know those poor guys you were speaking of who aren't getting in b/cuz they are not black enough? Well, apparently they are statistically better off not being black after all since there were only ~600 seats or less (.50*1203).


Amicus said:
It is almoast funny how URMs will hide from valid criticisms. Its like someone threw a hand grenade in the room, everybody bolts.

Don't flatter yourself! I don't think anyone is hiding rather people are tired of justifying themselves to strangers who won't ever be satisfied. Tired of sharing personal stories with strangers who seem to be more interested in winning. Fighting blacks over AA isn't going to help anyone win. There are deeper issues that you are overlooking, bigger pieces to the puzzle, therefore, your criticisms are not truly valid. Furthermore, I don't think anyone wants to put themself on the line anymore to help you understand, for this is no longer a positive learning environment.

Good luck, I truly hope you find the solutions you are looking for.



On another note,
@group: Hi everyone, I've been wanting to post on the black female pre-med thread but I'm still catching up on all the posts...till this one popped up 🙂 I promised my BF and myself that this is the LAST AA post I will ever make here. He's an economist and affirms that people who are truly educated on the matter aren't posting negativity on SDN. Now I get it. You all are inspirations and I hope that I will have good news to share over the next few months as well.
 
Amicus said:
It is almoast funny how URMs will hide from valid criticisms. Its like someone threw a hand grenade in the room, everybody bolts.

This issue is not whether or not you will fail in school. That, as you well know, does not make it right. You are keeping someone else out who, were he/she black, would have your spot right now. It doesnt matter if you pass med school or not, you used up a space you didnt earn and someone else is not going te be a doctor now. Someone else who earned their spot on merit not race. And you know you agree deep down or you would have the nuts to call this person up and explain to him why you deserve his/her spot becuase you are black.

So, do you feel that white people don't get things based upon their race?

If URMs get everything b/c they're are black, why is it that when I disclose my race on ANY application, I get rejection letters or no response at all, but when I don't disclose I get interviews and letters of acceptance? Do I get these things b/c people look at my resume/application and think that I'm white?
 
Aucdoctobe said:
Amicus,

I'm a "URM (which is student doctor for ni*ger)." What am I hiding from? You can come meet me in Oklahoma City and talk to me about this face to face.

Congrats Lotanna. Make us proud.

Wow!!!
 
lotanna said:
Hey lady!!
Howz the studying going??
You got that right, even the rednecks wont be able to pick and choose their doc's color 😀

I am the MCAT MASTER!!!! Yeah right 🙄 , I'm just taking it day by day but still so happy to have found EK. After I blow this one out, I may consider going over the the local community college and helping some folks that perhaps don't have the resources to conquer this thing!
 
pathdr2b said:
I am the MCAT MASTER!!!! Yeah right 🙄 , I'm just taking it day by day but still so happy to have found EK. After I blow this one out, I may consider going over the the local community college and helping some folks that perhaps don't have the resources to conquer this thing!
Path, you're soo helpful... 😍
 
Introcuding:

The Minority Scientist and Physicians Achieving Success or www.MSAPAS.org website!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Okay everyone, the main page is under construction but should be up by Monday. 👍
 
Amicus said:
The issue is not about me, it is about the poor guys who dont get to be doctors becuase they are not "diverse" (AKA black) enough.

One question for you Amicus... since when does AA solely benefit black people? This is not what you said, but it is inherent in the statement "diverse (AKA black) enough". What other groups do you feel benefit from AA? Just curious.

And I also agree with the sentiment that if you are truly against AA, then write to your representatives and complain about it. Healthy debates about AA are expected, but trite. They don't do anything except get people heated up about something that they're most likely not taking any initiative for or against in their personal lives. My apologies if you are actively working to do something about it.
 
Heal&Teach said:
One question for you Amicus... since when does AA solely benefit black people? This is not what you said, but it is inherent in the statement "diverse (AKA black) enough". What other groups do you feel benefit from AA? Just curious.

And I also agree with the sentiment that if you are truly against AA, then write to your representatives and complain about it. Healthy debates about AA are expected, but trite. They don't do anything except get people heated up about something that they're most likely not taking any initiative for or against in their personal lives. My apologies if you are actively working to do something about it.


....what are the odds of the last sentence coming to fruition? slim to none, i'd wager... :meanie:
 
Heal&Teach said:
One question for you Amicus... since when does AA solely benefit black people? This is not what you said, but it is inherent in the statement "diverse (AKA black) enough". What other groups do you feel benefit from AA? Just curious.

Many people cheat with AA, not just black people. But I dont see many puertoricans on SDN arguing that they should get cut slack. If you see some let me know.

So that other person trying to pretend AA wasnt that big of a deal, WAKE UP.
about 1000-1500 people are screwed each year because of AA. And nearly every applicant is affected by it. If race was not taken into consideration only about 300 black people and 300 other URMS would be admitted each year. Sad but fair. The diference in GPA is .3 points and MCAT is SEVEN points. This is how far standards muct be comprimised, and STILL the percentage of blacks accepted is lower than whites/asians. Im sure many of you would argue that they should cut standards even lower, to maybe a GPA of 3.1 and MCAT of 22 for blacks so that the same % of applying blacks are accepted as whites. You know you would. Becuase to you fair has no meaning.
 
Okay, Class of 2005 how are those apps going? Me, while I'm on application "hiatus" until I retake the MCAT. Then it's, bring on the secondaries!!!! 👍
 
path,
I'm on hiatus as well. I finally got all of my 2005 apps in and then after a conversation today with the minority counselor at one of the schools I'm very interested in, I signed up to take the August MCAT. Can you believe that today was the last day for late registration? I don't know how I'm going to do it with less than 3 weeks away but I know that God didn't bring me this far to leave me now. Are you preparing any differently than you did in April or just practicing more? Your positivity is definitely refreshing.
 
Ladies, best of luck to both of you... and remember... do plenty of questions!!!! Practice, practice, practice!!! 🙂 Three weeks is good enough, with sole practice of questions (which inherently allows you to study as you review your answers), to do some serious damage. 😀 Best of luck to you.
 
Good luck with the MCAT :luck: I have been on both sides of the equation ("borderline low" to "high") and it can be done girls! This process has been humbling to say the least, but I am hoping that things will work out happily for me this year. I am about half done with my applications, waiting on the rest of the schools... I have been at an international science conference this week and have had some very positive feedback from potential postdoc supervisors for the med schools I am looking at. I will try to post here as things progress how things are going 🙂

Treg
 
kae51202 said:
path,
I'm on hiatus as well. I finally got all of my 2005 apps in and then after a conversation today with the minority counselor at one of the schools I'm very interested in, I signed up to take the August MCAT. Can you believe that today was the last day for late registration? I don't know how I'm going to do it with less than 3 weeks away but I know that God didn't bring me this far to leave me now. Are you preparing any differently than you did in April or just practicing more? Your positivity is definitely refreshing.

Everything happens for a reason, so keep your head up. 👍 Besides, better to register late than never and given your "expereince" with the "beast", I'm sure you'll get the score you need!

The main thing I've done differently is order the EK materials to better organize my study time. So far, I'm very pleased! I also took some time off my job to focus on the test so I feel much better going into the test than I did in April!
 
Thanks ladies for the much appreciated encouragement.

I have all of my Kaplan stuff from April but was thinking of ordering EK material as well. Problem is I have no clue what to get: CD, practice tests only, books only? I want to use my time effectively as possible and need to come up with a plan ASAP. Thanks for any suggestions.
 
Get the EK books for the areas you are weak in. Get the 1001 books if you're REALLY weak. They are really helping me! Then, do practice tests/problems galore for the next 3 weeks!!
 
Amicus said:
Many people cheat with AA, not just black people. But I dont see many puertoricans on SDN arguing that they should get cut slack. If you see some let me know.

So that other person trying to pretend AA wasnt that big of a deal, WAKE UP.
about 1000-1500 people are screwed each year because of AA. And nearly every applicant is affected by it. If race was not taken into consideration only about 300 black people and 300 other URMS would be admitted each year. Sad but fair. The diference in GPA is .3 points and MCAT is SEVEN points. This is how far standards muct be comprimised, and STILL the percentage of blacks accepted is lower than whites/asians. Im sure many of you would argue that they should cut standards even lower, to maybe a GPA of 3.1 and MCAT of 22 for blacks so that the same % of applying blacks are accepted as whites. You know you would. Becuase to you fair has no meaning.

who goes on the URM thread to complain about AA? there are plenty of other threads where you can bltch about AA.

AA doesn't affect ALL candidates...i never worried about a URM "screwing me out of my spot"...the only people with a reason to worry about AA are borderline candidates, and they are just as likely to be kept out of school by bad luck, mood of the adcom, phases of the moon, strength of the yen, and whether or not a butterfly flaps its wings in the amazon...

leave them alone man....AA hijacking over...post away people!
 
velocypedalist said:
the only people with a reason to worry about AA are borderline candidates, and they are just as likely to be kept out of school by bad luck, mood of the adcom, phases of the moon, strength of the yen, and whether or not a butterfly flaps its wings in the amazon...

This is simply ******ed. I want you to sit down light some inscense, put on some music and try and use your head. It is a FACT that there are a limited number of seats in school. To allow one person in for being black is keeping another person out who is not black. The point of AA is to increase the number of minority students. So AA must allow people in who would not have been admitted without consideration of race. That is the only way the numbers of minorities would increase. To acomplish that, you must let in fewer whites and asians.

X + Y = constant
program using race to increase X is identical to a program using race to decrease Y

It doesnt get any simpler and if you dont understand this you need to go back to elementary school.
 
Amicus said:
This is simply ******ed. I want you to sit down light some inscense, put on some music and try and use your head. It is a FACT that there are a limited number of seats in school. To allow one person in for being black is keeping another person out who is not black. The point of AA is to increase the number of minority students. So AA must allow people in who would not have been admitted without consideration of race. That is the only way the numbers of minorities would increase. To acomplish that, you must let in fewer whites and asians.

X + Y = constant
program using race to increase X is identical to a program using race to decrease Y

It doesnt get any simpler and if you dont understand this you need to go back to elementary school.

yeah, and the people in 'Y' who decrease are borderline candidates whose chances of getting in are threatened by more dangerous factors than AA. I paid attention in elementary school, made myself a competitive candidate, and didn't have to worry about AA. I came from a middle class family and havn't faced any discrimination, if at the end of the day I'm a just a mediocre, borderline applicant then I should blame myself, not cry that some URM stole my spot...

and why are we having this debate in the URM forum? I think that was the point of my first post, there are plenty of other forums to yell until we're blue in the face about AA...lets get out of this one.
 
How about some status updates from my fellow 2005 cycle peeps?

I have completed 9/12 secondaries. I have received minority affairs mail from UPenn and Columbia, but that's all so far. I designated these schools on AMCAS, so I am not sure if it stems from that or from MED-MAR.

Good luck everyone! Hang in there with all these secondaries!

Treg
 
Hello out there 🙂

I am all done with secondaries except one (HMS, please send it and then reject me :laugh:). No interviews yet, although I am doing a good job of waiting impatiently. How are you guys all doing? Anyone??

🙂Treg
 
Hey guys,

Well apparently I am the only one keeping the thread alive this year 🙁

I have a question for anyone who has interviewed at UPenn in the past: did you get contacted by the minority affairs office? I was telephoned to be congratulated for receiving an interview and then I got an email with a list of additional activities for URMs on the interview day (which is already jam-packed!). Also, I was offered the opportunity to meet with the dean or assoc. dean of minority affairs. What would be the purpose/advantage/disadvantage of doing this??? Does anyone have any input?

Thanks guys, and I hope everyone has good luck :luck: this season 🙂

Treg
 
Treg said:
Hey guys,

Well apparently I am the only one keeping the thread alive this year 🙁

I have a question for anyone who has interviewed at UPenn in the past: did you get contacted by the minority affairs office? I was telephoned to be congratulated for receiving an interview and then I got an email with a list of additional activities for URMs on the interview day (which is already jam-packed!). Also, I was offered the opportunity to meet with the dean or assoc. dean of minority affairs. What would be the purpose/advantage/disadvantage of doing this??? Does anyone have any input?

Thanks guys, and I hope everyone has good luck :luck: this season 🙂

Treg

Defintely take the opportunity to meet him. Why not? I think this can only help not hurt you! Congrats on the interview!
 
Treg said:
Also, I was offered the opportunity to meet with the dean or assoc. dean of minority affairs. What would be the purpose/advantage/disadvantage of doing this??? Does anyone have any input?
Treg

Common Dr. Treg, didn't I explain this to you already??? 😕 You meet with the dean to "seal the deal" or get your acceptance! 👍

PS- You were supposed to have already emailed the dean of minority affiars at ALL of the schools on your list AFTER you got those superb MCAT's back! 😉

Good Luck and congrats on the interview!!
 
Thanks guys for the encouragement 👍

If I meet with this lady, what would we talk about? Just any final questions, etc.? Does anyone have any experience with this? Thanks,

Treg 🙂
 
Treg said:
How about some status updates from my fellow 2005 cycle peeps?

I have completed 9/12 secondaries. I have received minority affairs mail from UPenn and Columbia, but that's all so far. I designated these schools on AMCAS, so I am not sure if it stems from that or from MED-MAR.

Good luck everyone! Hang in there with all these secondaries!

Treg

Weird... I don't know how I missed this thread. Ok, so here I am. I'm Mexican American... and I applied to 21 schools (15 MD and 6 DO). Since I took the August MCAT, I got two "holds" until they see my scores... and I got 19 secondaries. I completed all secondaries as of last Friday. LOR's are in for all but 6 of them... since I'm waiting on *one* last LOR that's due this week. I think I'm all set for October 15th...

Haven't heard from anyone, but I assume it's because of the missing MCAT scores.

Good luck, all!
 
MsEvolution, I am sending you good vibes for the MCAT :luck: and your applications this fall. I am sure everything will come up roses 😀

Treg
 
Please keep this thread up, it could be helpful for alot of URM's going through the process. Please be very proactive in this process by contacting the Office of Minority Affairs at the schools you are interested in and definitely let them know how interested you are in the school if it is your top choice. God Bless all of you in this application process.
 
ilovesnma said:
Please keep this thread up, it could be helpful for alot of URM's going through the process. Please be very proactive in this process by contacting the Office of Minority Affairs at the schools you are interested in and definitely let them know how interested you are in the school if it is your top choice. God Bless all of you in this application process.

👍 👍 👍

Are you a member of SNMA? I have some friends who are, but I am not.
 
Dum ta dum dum???

We're baaaaack!!!! :laugh:
 
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