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I didn't want to completely derail the other thread, but I totally agree with this and I would take it a step further and say that not all people need/should go to college. My sister started college and dropped out cause she didn't know what she wanted to do and was wasting money. She had a good job making more than me. Even when she left that job, she still doesn't want to go back to school. She found a job at Sprouts making $10/hr to start and if she sticks with it, she could move up with time. So right now, school isn't for her. As long as she is working and contributing to the household, my parents are willing to let her be a "roommate".

I agree that college is not for everyone, but I'm not sure someone earning $10/hr and living at home is a good example of why.

You need to earn like $14.50/hr to even make $30,000 per year. That's hard to achieve with a full time job with benefits without some sort of qualifications in many parts of the country. And I wouldn't consider that a "good job" for most people. Maybe "a" job that will allow you some freedom in life. If you want to make $50k, which for most people is a comfortable salary to live independently and dep on cost of living, raise kids on, you need like $24/hr. That doesn't happen very often with just a high school diploma.

Obtaining some skills in trades like welding, HVAC, electric, mechanics, etc... can go a long way, and there are many smart kids who excel with these kinds of things who aren't book smart and don't necessarily do well in school. So trade school makes a lot of sense for a lot of people, and that can really give them a career. But just a high school diploma in the educational model we have in the states (essentially a state funded babysitter for many kids) don't open many doors. You have to be pretty lucky to make it in a stable career without something else.

Also, as for college, I think it really depends on what we're talking about. When kids go to college as an extension of high school to be babysat for another 4 years just passively waiting to come out the other end as an adult ready for the workforce, it's a total waste of money. You can't expect to party for 4 years "studying" masscom and expect to land a $60k salary job waiting for you with open arms at graduation. It happens for very few people. For most, you're not much more ready for the workforce than the 19 year old high school grad who didn't go to college.

If you're serious about coming out career ready with expectations of a well paying job at the end, then study something like engineering, computer science, or accounting. These degrees pay off well for a good number of people.

If you decide you want to major in art history, literature, the classics, or something in the natural sciences because it interests you and you are passionate about it, that's great. But you need to understand that's on you. You chose to study it because you liked it. That's it. You need to have realistic expectations about what being passionate about these things will lead to in terms of jobs. For many of these majors, jobs available either have a very difficult point of entry or have very low ceilings in terms of advancements without further studies. And even with further studies, these fields can be difficult to break into due to the low number of well paying jobs.

If you're smart, motivated, street smart, and to an extent somewhat lucky, there are many good jobs with growth potential that don't require any particular degrees, but most require a bachelors as minimum requirements. You can't be just any random kid to get these jobs, but a college degree does open a lot of doors as well.

It's just important for kids (and maybe their parents too) to understand what kind of kid they are, what types of careers and education fits well for them, with realistic expectations of what doors will be open to them with whatever investment on education they make. People get disappointed because their expectations weren't met, and it's partly their fault for not setting the right expectations in many cases.




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I agree that college is not for everyone, but I'm not sure someone earning $10/hr and living at home is a good example of why.

You need to earn like $14.50/hr to even make $30,000 per year. That's hard to achieve with a full time job with benefits without some sort of qualifications in many parts of the country. And I wouldn't consider that a "good job" for most people. Maybe "a" job that will allow you some freedom in life. If you want to make $50k, which for most people is a comfortable salary to live independently and dep on cost of living, raise kids on, you need like $24/hr. That doesn't happen very often with just a high school diploma.

Obtaining some skills in trades like welding, HVAC, electric, mechanics, etc... can go a long way, and there are many smart kids who excel with these kinds of things who aren't book smart and don't necessarily do well in school. So trade school makes a lot of sense for a lot of people, and that can really give them a career. But just a high school diploma in the educational model we have in the states (essentially a state funded babysitter for many kids) don't open many doors. You have to be pretty lucky to make it in a stable career without something else.

Also, as for college, I think it really depends on what we're talking about. When kids go to college as an extension of high school to be babysat for another 4 years just passively waiting to come out the other end as an adult ready for the workforce, it's a total waste of money. You can't expect to party for 4 years "studying" masscom and expect to land a $60k salary job waiting for you with open arms at graduation. It happens for very few people. For most, you're not much more ready for the workforce than the 19 year old high school grad who didn't go to college.

If you're serious about coming out career ready with expectations of a well paying job at the end, then study something like engineering, computer science, or accounting. These degrees pay off well for a good number of people.

If you decide you want to major in art history, literature, the classics, or something in the natural sciences because it interests you and you are passionate about it, that's great. But you need to understand that's on you. You chose to study it because you liked it. That's it. You need to have realistic expectations about what being passionate about these things will lead to in terms of jobs. For many of these majors, jobs available either have a very difficult point of entry or have very low ceilings in terms of advancements without further studies. And even with further studies, these fields can be difficult to break into due to the low number of well paying jobs.

If you're smart, motivated, street smart, and to an extent somewhat lucky, there are many good jobs with growth potential that don't require any particular degrees, but most require a bachelors as minimum requirements. You can't be just any random kid to get these jobs, but a college degree does open a lot of doors as well.

It's just important for kids (and maybe their parents too) to understand what kind of kid they are, what types of careers and education fits well for them, with realistic expectations of what doors will be open to them with whatever investment on education they make. People get disappointed because their expectations weren't met, and it's partly their fault for not setting the right expectations in many cases.

I pretty much agree with all of this. My point in saying that not everyone needs/should go to college is that it's person by person (and it looks like I didn't convey that). My sister's situation is fine for her for now and she can work up from that point if she puts in the effort (and doesn't screw up the living situation with our parents). If she reaches a ceiling where she does need a degree to continue to advance, then she would finally have some direction when it comes to school and would follow that route instead of wasting money. She never has had a clear vision of where she wanted to go so this is better than nothing. She just has the added bonus of living with our parents since you could not afford to live alone in the Denver Metro Area at $10/hr. You're definitely right in that she would have to be making $15/hr at least to move out on your own.

I also totally agree with the degree choices comment. If you want a great job with just your bachelors, you need to pick something with jobs that allow you that and do well in it. All but one of my friends who went engineering found jobs before they even graduated and one was accepted into graduate school. Same with my bio/chem friends (bio friends into professional school more so than jobs). That's a lot better than my lit friends.
 
Found my 7th great grandfather on ancestry.com... He looks like a human version of grumpy cat! Dvmd are we related?!
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I knew the AVMA did their accreditation walk at the University of Arizona on January 28-29 but I didn't hear or read anything after that. I've heard through the grapevine that they were denied, so it's not opening this year.
I talked to someone who is relatively high up in the UofA College of Ag earlier this week. They haven't received a finalized decision yet supposedly, but she said there were a number of "tweaks" that needed to be made to the program no matter what.
 
Although I was also told that they are supposedly still going to let kids start year 1 this Aug (2016)??? I guess year one is supposed to be "pre DVM" or something along those lines and then 2-4 are actually the DVM. They said that if they don't start the DVM a year from now (Aug 2017), the kids would still graduate with a Masters in Ag industry or something along those lines at the end of year 1 (May 2017).
 
Yes, the first year is a larger class, and it is a master's degree. Then, they select a fraction of the graduate students to continue into the DVM program. They say if you are accepted to an accredited DVM program, you get automatic admission to the UofA program, but I'm not sure that it guarantees a spot in anything other than the masters program.


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They say if you are accepted to an accredited DVM program, you get automatic admission to the UofA program, but I'm not sure that it guarantees a spot in anything other than the masters program.

Guarantees your spot in the DVM program past the pre-professional year, as long as you maintain whatever the minimum GPA is.
 
Although I was also told that they are supposedly still going to let kids start year 1 this Aug (2016)??? I guess year one is supposed to be "pre DVM" or something along those lines and then 2-4 are actually the DVM. They said that if they don't start the DVM a year from now (Aug 2017), the kids would still graduate with a Masters in Ag industry or something along those lines at the end of year 1 (May 2017).

Yes, the first year is a larger class, and it is a master's degree. Then, they select a fraction of the graduate students to continue into the DVM program. They say if you are accepted to an accredited DVM program, you get automatic admission to the UofA program, but I'm not sure that it guarantees a spot in anything other than the masters program.


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Guarantees your spot in the DVM program past the pre-professional year, as long as you maintain whatever the minimum GPA is.

Wait. What? That's not what I got from the website (granted I looked a while back). Can you guys explain it again?
 
Yes, the first year is a larger class, and it is a master's degree. Then, they select a fraction of the graduate students to continue into the DVM program. They say if you are accepted to an accredited DVM program, you get automatic admission to the UofA program, but I'm not sure that it guarantees a spot in anything other than the masters program.

Guarantees your spot in the DVM program past the pre-professional year, as long as you maintain whatever the minimum GPA is.

Completing year one of pre DVM at U of A does not guarantee you are into the Uof A DVM program as far as I know. I was told you have to apply again after year 1 to continue on. However, it is true that if you are accepted to another AVMA accredited DVM program nationwide (Ross/SGU don't count) you are automatically guaranteed acceptance to U of A DVM.

Eta: Apparently Ross and SGU do count. I thought I read somewhere that they didn't. And W2VM was right that you have to maintain GPA to keep your guaranteed acceptance.
 
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Completing year one of pre DVM at U of A does not guarantee you are into the Uof A DVM program as far as I know. I was told you have to apply again after year 1 to continue on. However, it is true that if you are accepted to another AVMA accredited DVM program nationwide (Ross/SGU don't count) you are automatically guaranteed acceptance to U of A DVM.
That makes more sense. I understood it to be a spot in the masters only, and I couldn't understand why someone would give up a guaranteed spot at another program for a chance to compete again. I mean, once you survive the Hunger Games, you don't want to go back for the Quarter Quell.


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http://vmsp.cals.arizona.edu/pdfs/admissions.pdf

This outlines admissions... but honestly, this pdf is still pretty convoluted.

That is definitely not the PDF that I read, so that explains why I was confused. Although I noticed that no matter what, you have to do their pre-professional year, even if you already have a bachelors and all the pre-reqs. I totes agree with Posey that it doesn't make sense.

I mean, once you survive the Hunger Games, you don't want to go back for the Quarter Quell.

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That is definitely not the PDF that I read, so that explains why I was confused. Although I noticed that no matter what, you have to do their pre-professional year, even if you already have a bachelors and all the pre-reqs. I totes agree with Posey that it doesn't make sense.

If you want to look at it that way. For an Arizona student who got in somewhere else but chose UA I'd look at it as: I'm saving some money, I'm guaranteed a spot, and one year instead of two gets me another two letter acronym to stick after my last name.
 
If you want to look at it that way. For an Arizona student who got in somewhere else but chose UA I'd look at it as: I'm saving some money, I'm guaranteed a spot, and one year instead of two gets me another two letter acronym to stick after my last name.
Wait, are you going there instead of CO? Or are you speaking hypothetically? I'm assuming hypothetical since it isn't set in stone to even open yet.
 
If you want to look at it that way. For an Arizona student who got in somewhere else but chose UA I'd look at it as: I'm saving some money, I'm guaranteed a spot, and one year instead of two gets me another two letter acronym to stick after my last name.
I could see it making sense in this case. And in this case, that's a great reason.


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If you want to look at it that way. For an Arizona student who got in somewhere else but chose UA I'd look at it as: I'm saving some money, I'm guaranteed a spot, and one year instead of two gets me another two letter acronym to stick after my last name.

How useful is a MS in ag for most people though? Extra letters are fun but pointless unless there is actual utility...which I would say isn't the case for your average vet.

And when considering money, it would depend on where they got accepted to and what the potential year of earnings they're missing out on by taking an extra year would be.

So it can work out for the better but it does not always make the most sense, even for AZ students.
 
How useful is a MS in ag for most people though? Extra letters are fun but pointless unless there is actual utility...which I would say isn't the case for your average vet.

And when considering money, it would depend on where they got accepted to and what the potential year of earnings they're missing out on by taking an extra year would be.

So it can work out for the better but it does not always make the most sense, even for AZ students.

I was going to say, I would prob elect to hide the fact that I have such a degree if I were in a situation where I ended up with one.


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I was going to say, I would prob elect to hide the fact that I have such a degree if I were in a situation where I ended up with one.


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Maybe I'm getting old but....nowadays I'm critical of any extraneous time spent doing stuff. That would be an entire year of my life that I won't get back. What am I actually getting out of it?
 
How useful is a MS in ag for most people though? Extra letters are fun but pointless unless there is actual utility...which I would say isn't the case for your average vet.

And when considering money, it would depend on where they got accepted to and what the potential year of earnings they're missing out on by taking an extra year would be.

So it can work out for the better but it does not always make the most sense, even for AZ students.

I agree that I wouldn't go there with the way it is currently, but as an AZ student, I cannot deny that IS costs would be nice. We don't need another vet school though. Also, it isn't actually an extra year. 1 year of "pre DVM" and 3 years of DVM as opposed to a traditional 4 years of DVM. You just go through the summers, but that would be sucky in itself.
 
You just go through the summers, but that would be sucky in itself.

This is horrible for mental/physical/emotional well-being. Those breaks/time off are so very important during vet school, you need some time to just let your brain dissolve into a pile of goo while enjoying sleeping in and not thinking about constant exams.
 
I agree that I wouldn't go there with the way it is currently, but as an AZ student, I cannot deny that IS costs would be nice. We don't need another vet school though. Also, it isn't actually an extra year. 1 year of "pre DVM" and 3 years of DVM as opposed to a traditional 4 years of DVM. You just go through the summers, but that would be sucky in itself.
= actually completing more school than a traditional student...yuck.
 
= actually completing more school than a traditional student...yuck.
Yes, definitely more. But earlier it was brought up that you would lose a years income, which you wouldn't. You'd just lose summer income, and like DVMD said, be miserable never getting a break.
 
For those not following on Facebook, my daughter had her MRI today. Now we wait for results. 2-5 days. Waiting.
 
Any tips for getting feces stains out of scrubs? 😛 I rinsed with cold water and pre-treated with detergent. Put it in the wash and it's still got a big green blob. I won't be terribly upset if these pants are a goner since my dog so graciously chewed the bottom inch off one of the pant legs already but it would be good to know what to do in the future!
 
Any tips for getting feces stains out of scrubs? 😛 I rinsed with cold water and pre-treated with detergent. Put it in the wash and it's still got a big green blob. I won't be terribly upset if these pants are a goner since my dog so graciously chewed the bottom inch off one of the pant legs already but it would be good to know what to do in the future!
Rub more poop into them until they're evenly stained, then wash like you did before. Now your scrubs are all one color! 😉
 
The girl next to me in class is also on SDN 😱

I don't know her, and I know most pre-vets in my school, so I'm assuming she must be on a pre-med forum or something...
 
I have to decide whether to graduate with both degrees this May as planned, or only walk with one and come back next year to do a minor. Minor would help increase my science GPA, but it also means another year of tuition costs. And I was looking forward to having a year off from school.

Oh decisions.
 
I'm looking around to find a new bunny. I would prefer to go through a breeder vs. a rescue or pet store. I have an opportunity at the end of this month to go to a large regional rabbit show in my city to look around and an opportunity in August to go to a rabbit show at my home county's fair (this is where I bought my recently deceased bunny years ago). I like the idea of possibly purchasing another rabbit from her bloodline, but I don't know for sure if that family is still raising Mini Lops (they primarily raise Dutch).

I'm pretty sure I want another Mini Lop. I've played with the idea before of getting a giant breed (like a Flemish or Checkered Giant) or something a little exotic (like a Belgian Hare) but I don't really want to purchase a new cage, beds, carrier, etc. for those larger animals.
 
I'm looking around to find a new bunny. I would prefer to go through a breeder vs. a rescue or pet store. I have an opportunity at the end of this month to go to a large regional rabbit show in my city to look around and an opportunity in August to go to a rabbit show at my home county's fair (this is where I bought my recently deceased bunny years ago). I like the idea of possibly purchasing another rabbit from her bloodline, but I don't know for sure if that family is still raising Mini Lops (they primarily raise Dutch).

I'm pretty sure I want another Mini Lop. I've played with the idea before of getting a giant breed (like a Flemish or Checkered Giant) or something a little exotic (like a Belgian Hare) but I don't really want to purchase a new cage, beds, carrier, etc. for those larger animals.
I'm pretty sure I know what rabbit show you're talking about for the end of this month (at the expo center?) and I recommend checking it out! I showed rabbits for 10 years and this show is pretty big 🙂 I might even be there since it's over my 5 day "summer break" before clinics start.


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Seriously contemplating changing my username... now that I've gotten into vet school, I'm a wee bit more concerned about anonymity in what I post online and as-is it's a bit too easy to figure out who I am. Maybe I'll do that tonight. 😕

I'm looking around to find a new bunny. I would prefer to go through a breeder vs. a rescue or pet store. I have an opportunity at the end of this month to go to a large regional rabbit show in my city to look around and an opportunity in August to go to a rabbit show at my home county's fair (this is where I bought my recently deceased bunny years ago). I like the idea of possibly purchasing another rabbit from her bloodline, but I don't know for sure if that family is still raising Mini Lops (they primarily raise Dutch).

I'm pretty sure I want another Mini Lop. I've played with the idea before of getting a giant breed (like a Flemish or Checkered Giant) or something a little exotic (like a Belgian Hare) but I don't really want to purchase a new cage, beds, carrier, etc. for those larger animals.
Love the mini lops. So adorable! 😍
 
I'm pretty sure I know what rabbit show you're talking about for the end of this month (at the expo center?) and I recommend checking it out! I showed rabbits for 10 years and this show is pretty big 🙂 I might even be there since it's over my 5 day "summer break" before clinics start.


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Yep. I figure, even if I don't find what I'm looking for, the parking is only $5.
 
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