rank help please

[junebug]

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Ok guys I just got the "warning" you have not certified your rank list email. I have # 1, 6, and 7 figured out. but...I'm having a lot of difficulty ranking #'s 2 thru 5 on my list. I definitely want to do a C & A fellowship. These are the places I'm having trouble with.

St. Lukes- nice friendly program, friendly and happy residents, nice housing in NYC, but not so good for child, they have their own C&A fellowship but its not so good- and they dont have too many residents going into child and if they do they seem to stay at st. lukes for fellowship, they may have sent one person to columbia in the past couple of years.

Cabrini- nice friendly program, friendly happy residents, nice housing in NYC, but no child fellowship and they make you do all four years before you can apply for child fellowships. Their residents seem to wind up at st. vincents for child.

St. Vincents- nice neighborhood, has an ok child fellowship, plus sent people to NYU, Columbia, MGH, and Penn this year- in the past couple of years 1 NYU, 1 Yale most just stayed at st. vincents for child, but Bankrupt and may either sell the housing or increase the rent to regular manhattan market value- plus i heard its a malignant place and people are not happy.

LIJ- Solid program, great for child, happy residents,- but in Long Island/Queens- could commute from manhattan but will be a big pain in the ass and i'll be dirt poor. I dont want to live in queens/ LI.

Help how would you guys rank these four?

 

[Anasazi23]

I'd probably do

2. St. Lukes (if nothing but for the degree name). You can stay there for fellowship - they may improve it by the time you're ready to start.

3. Cabrini. They have a pretty good track record of sending residents to decent fellowships. One went to St. Vincent's this year and last, and one this year to Univ. of Michigan. You'll do an extra year of fellowship, but it might be worth it.

4. St. Vincent's. Too many 'up in the air' questions right now. Then again, lots of city hospitals have that issue now.

5. LIJ. On paper, the best of the four, but if you don't want to commute, or live in Queens or Long Island, forget it.
LIJ- Solid program, great for child, happy residents,- but in Long Island/Queens- could commute from manhattan but will be a big pain in the ass and i'll be dirt poor. I dont want to live in queens/ LI.

 

[princebargain]

Only interviewed at St Luke's which I really liked. I also got the impression that many residents who wanted to do child ended up switching for some reason or another. Their child is not the strongest fellowship, and its annoying how child rotations are way the heck out in Bronx (I believe). How good is St Luke's rep anyway?? I've heard that their rep used to be quite poor, but has recently improved. How much does the Columbia affiliation really mean? ...

 

[princebargain]

Oh... and of all the places I've interviewed at, St Luke's has the highest salary by far.

 

[junebug]

Only interviewed at St Luke's which I really liked. I also got the impression that many residents who wanted to do child ended up switching for some reason or another. Their child is not the strongest fellowship, and its annoying how child rotations are way the heck out in Bronx (I believe). How good is St Luke's rep anyway?? I've heard that their rep used to be quite poor, but has recently improved. How much does the Columbia affiliation really mean? ...

Their reputation is not so good. This columbia affiliation really just means that they have a few classes taught be columbia faculty. The affiliation wont do much good with in NY- b/c people know st. lukes. But out of NY- the affiliation may fly.
Another program directer at a better named place in NY told me that word about st. lukes is that they are too into addiction.
The place is sort of up and coming, b/c each year they seem to attract better residents. But its sort of the place people wind up b/c they dont want to go to Monte or LIJ- they want to be in the city. And I'm tempted to put them high on my list for the very same reason. I love LIJ, but dont want to live in queens, and I think the commute might be a nightmare.
st. lukes child fellowship is not good- the inpatient child rotation is in queens which would be a big pain to get to. supposedly st. lukes wants an inpatient child unit and just applied for a grant to get one...but will it happen?

 

[junebug]

C'mon guys please help me rank!! Anyone who has been to or heard of these places- please give your opinion.

 

[princebargain]

The PD at St Luke's was trying to sell me on the "combined child" track, and he did a pretty good job at it.
Pros: Guaranteed fellowship spot at St Luke's, hence stability for 5 yrs. No internal medicine intern year (peds at Beth Israel). Early integration of child during residency.
Cons: Locked into the child fellowship. Furthermore, locked into the St Luke's fellowship. No curicculum available until AFTER the match (very sketchy!!)

However, of the Manhattan programs, I got the best vibe from this program. Great housing. Fantastic compensation. Seemingly very cool/happy residents.

Any comments on Mt Sinai (main)? Their facilities are great, but residents seemed distant. Housing "subsidy" sucks, and no meals (big for me at least)!

 

[junebug]

The PD at St Luke's was trying to sell me on the "combined child" track, and he did a pretty good job at it.
Pros: Guaranteed fellowship spot at St Luke's, hence stability for 5 yrs. No internal medicine intern year (peds at Beth Israel). Early integration of child during residency.
Cons: Locked into the child fellowship. Furthermore, locked into the St Luke's fellowship. No curicculum available until AFTER the match (very sketchy!!)

However, of the Manhattan programs, I got the best vibe from this program. Great housing. Fantastic compensation. Seemingly very cool/happy residents.

Any comments on Mt Sinai (main)? Their facilities are great, but residents seemed distant. Housing "subsidy" sucks, and no meals (big for me at least)!

Sinai is my first choice. I love them!!! Their child dept is awesome. I did rotations there in child.

I have seen the housing at both lukes and sinai. its the same thing. Sinai has drug lunches all the time. st. lukes doesnt allow drug lunches.

 

[Antigone]

After visiting Mt. Sinai, I was also impressed with the facilities and child program, as well as with the psychotherapy training, which includes individual-modality supervision. The program's location is excellent--Sinai's catchment area in the Upper East Side and East Harlem provides a wide diversity of patients, and the location is great for residents lifestyle-wise as well 😉 There are plenty of research opportunities (clinical and hard) if you want them, and the biological training seems solid.

Regarding the residents, it seems that different people get different impressions when they interview. For me, the residents were all nice, but some of them did seem a bit distant. It was difficult to get a feel for the overall group dynamic. However, other people I know met very enthusiastic residents.

Re: St. Luke's: I didn't interview there, but an attending (general adult) I worked with at NYU told me he had enjoyed his training there, as well as loved the location. He mentioned that the reputation is improving.

 

[princebargain]

AGHH!!! I currently have Sinai significantly lower than St Lukes on my rank... having BIG second thoughts on that. I guess this is based solely on interview day impression. Am I crazy!?!!!

Some of the faculty I met from the child department just struck me as bizarre. I wish they had a better benefits/salary package but is it really a big consideration?

Any triple boarders here?

 

[junebug]

triple boarder appl. right here.

I will agree that st. lukes did a better job selling themselves then sinai. I personally like sinai better. But you have to go with YOUR gut feeling.