Ranking help!

[Radiologyreviews2015]

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Right now im having a hard time deciding which to rank higher. UW vs JHU vs USC.

I want to end up back in southern california eventually and i'd be closer to family. However, i loved UW and JHU and it's hard to turn down such prestigious residency programs. Also, im hoping to land a top fellowship in So Cal(UCLA or UCSD) and both these programs seem to open that possibility more than USC. USC fellowship placement seemed pretty limited to USC.

USC is a great program too and I'd be happy there and I'd be trained well, but the quality of residents/applicants/faculty werent nearly as impressive as UW or JHU. I sort of feel like i would be short selling myself if i ranked USC higher.
Would I be better off ranking USC higher or UW or JHU?

1 UW
2. JHU
3. USC

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

I got interview invites at JHU and UW (along with the rest of the top programs) but not USC, so my perception is that USC is indeed a different tier as reflected by the quality of people there.

 

[qwerty89]

Right now im having a hard time deciding which to rank higher. UW vs JHU vs USC.

I want to end up back in southern california eventually and i'd be closer to family. However, i loved UW and JHU and it's hard to turn down such prestigious residency programs. Also, im hoping to land a top fellowship in So Cal(UCLA or UCSD) and both these programs seem to open that possibility more than USC. USC fellowship placement seemed pretty limited to USC.

USC is a great program too and I'd be happy there and I'd be trained well, but the quality of residents/applicants/faculty werent nearly as impressive as UW or JHU. I sort of feel like i would be short selling myself if i ranked USC higher.
Would I be better off ranking USC higher or UW or JHU?

1 UW
2. JHU
3. USC

Ranking USC lower than the other two programs when you ultimately want to be in SoCal is just incredibly stupid.

I'm originally from CA and want to go back. I matched to Rads OOS and will have 0 connections. Probably will have to take a nighthawk job to make my way back.

 

[futureradres12345]

You can get a great fellowship in SoCal out of UW or JHU, but would you rather spend 1-2 years networking in the area or stay for residency and fellowship at USC and have 5-6 years of networking?

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

You can get a great fellowship in SoCal out of UW or JHU, but would you rather spend 1-2 years networking in the area or stay for residency and fellowship at USC and have 5-6 years of networking?

I would go with the person who's already a resident on this one.

 

[futureradres12345]

I would go with the person who's already a resident on this one.

I'm agreeing with the resident who posted above...

 

[shark2000]

You can get a great fellowship in SoCal out of UW or JHU, but would you rather spend 1-2 years networking in the area or stay for residency and fellowship at USC and have 5-6 years of networking?

Yes.

For the purpose of finding a job in SoCal, USC works (much) better than JHU. However, I personally will choose JHUN over USC.

UW is an excellent program but is not in the same caliber as JHU, MGH or UCSF.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Yes.

For the purpose of finding a job in SoCal, USC works (much) better than JHU. However, I personally will choose JHUN over USC.

UW is an excellent program but is not in the same caliber as JHU, MGH or UCSF.

So even though USC would be better for finding a job in SoCal, you would pick JHU? Why is that? For the prestige? I'm just a bit confused right now.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

I also interviewed at both USC and UW, and got a totally different vibe from both. UW seemed more academic with residents doing impressive research, 30-40 fellows each year, and strong academic connections. USC was more pp oriented, with residents running the show more, half as many fellows, and an amazing alumni network throughout the west coast. Both places are expensive and would be fun for 4 years. Residents at both seemed nice and happy. I think the job market is improving and you will be able to get back to SOCAL either way, so just be honest with yourself about what type of program you want. I was really struggling with my match list and all the chatter on SDN and the Doximity 'reputation' ranking was making it worse. So just throw that out the window and go where you think you fit and will get good training. My 2 cents.

 

[shark2000]

I also interviewed at both USC and UW, and got a totally different vibe from both. UW seemed more academic with residents doing impressive research, 30-40 fellows each year, and strong academic connections. USC was more pp oriented, with residents running the show more, half as many fellows, and an amazing alumni network throughout the west coast. Both places are expensive and would be fun for 4 years. Residents at both seemed nice and happy. I think the job market is improving and you will be able to get back to SOCAL either way, so just be honest with yourself about what type of program you want. I was really struggling with my match list and all the chatter on SDN and the Doximity 'reputation' ranking was making it worse. So just throw that out the window and go where you think you fit and will get good training. My 2 cents.

The job market is improving but your statement is WRONG. Please don't give wrong recommendation if you don't know enough about something.

Yes, you will be able to go back to SoCal but the bigger question is what kind of job ? For every good job out there, one or two bad jobs exist. So yes, you CAN make it back to SoCal by going to UW but with 1. lots of difficulty and 2. you will more likely end up in a bad job and in a few years you will become a constant whiner on radiology forums.

I am very positive about job market and I think the market is much better than what people say but even when the market was extremely good, finding a GOOD job in NYC, SoCal, SF, Boston and few other places was very hard. For example primary care and hospitalist jobs are easy to find in SoCal but finding a good one is not that easy.

If someone wants to end up in SoCal I don't see ANY reason to rank UW above USC. If you are talking about Hopkins or MGH or UCSF versus USF that is a different story. But UW, not.

USC graduates are on top of the list to get good jobs in SoCal probably just second to UCLA and UCSD graduates and above Hopkins, MGH and BWH graduates. The only difference is MGH, BWH, Hopkins and few other programs have national and international reputation that will stay with you the rest of your life and if for any reason you decide to go to Florida or Texas or Chicago, the name recognition is still there. But for UW and USC the name recognition is more local.

Bottom line: If you are sure that you want to end up in SoCal, choose USC above UW. USC versus Hopkins is a hard call and depends on your personal preference. But know that still USC graduates or the graduates of good local programs in any area have better chance to get a job in that area compared to graduates of MGH or Hopkins.

As a private practice radiologist, I don't care if residents of a certain program do impressive research. It won't help me to grow my business, it won't clean my long list and it won't translate into better quality reports or improve relation with clinicians.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

The job market is improving but your statement is WRONG. Please don't give wrong recommendation if you don't know enough about something.

Yes, you will be able to go back to SoCal but the bigger question is what kind of job ? For every good job out there, one or two bad jobs exist. So yes, you CAN make it back to SoCal by going to UW but with 1. lots of difficulty and 2. you will more likely end up in a bad job and in a few years you will become a constant whiner on radiology forums.

I am very positive about job market and I think the market is much better than what people say but even when the market was extremely good, finding a GOOD job in NYC, SoCal, SF, Boston and few other places was very hard. For example primary care and hospitalist jobs are easy to find in SoCal but finding a good one is not that easy.

If someone wants to end up in SoCal I don't see ANY reason to rank UW above USC. If you are talking about Hopkins or MGH or UCSF versus USF that is a different story. But UW, not.

USC graduates are on top of the list to get good jobs in SoCal probably just second to UCLA and UCSD graduates and above Hopkins, MGH and BWH graduates. The only difference is MGH, BWH, Hopkins and few other programs have national and international reputation that will stay with you the rest of your life and if for any reason you decide to go to Florida or Texas or Chicago, the name recognition is still there. But for UW and USC the name recognition is more local.

Bottom line: If you are sure that you want to end up in SoCal, choose USC above UW. USC versus Hopkins is a hard call and depends on your personal preference. But know that still USC graduates or the graduates of good local programs in any area have better chance to get a job in that area compared to graduates of MGH or Hopkins.

As a private practice radiologist, I don't care if residents of a certain program do impressive research. It won't help me to grow my business, it won't clean my long list and it won't translate into better quality reports or improve relation with clinicians.

What do you care about as PP radiologist looking to hire? Not sarcasm, just wondering what's being judged.

Is it mostly connections/recommendations? Board scores?

 

[shark2000]

What do you care about as PP radiologist looking to hire? Not sarcasm, just wondering what's being judged.

Is it mostly connections/recommendations? Board scores?

Board Scores not at all. You have to change your score mentality. Nobody care at all about board scores.

Finding a good job is difficult for fellows because many of them can not make the transition from a score/CV/research dominant environment to business oriented environment.

Connections are the most important factor and nothing else even gets close to it. Experience in the past and personality are other important factors.

Many people with good board scores and good research background are not good fits for private practice.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Board Scores not at all. You have to change your score mentality. Nobody care at all about board scores.

Finding a good job is difficult for fellows because many of them can not make the transition from a score/CV/research dominant environment to business oriented environment.

Connections are the most important factor and nothing else even gets close to it. Experience in the past and personality are other important factors.

Many people with good board scores and good research background are not good fits for private practice.

Does the quality/"tier" of the program you attend have any correlation with the amount of money you can make in the future? You mentioned connections...do top programs give connections to higher paying jobs? Conversely, does joining a relatively poor program limit your income?

Thanks

 

[shark2000]

Does the quality/"tier" of the program you attend have any correlation with the amount of money you can make in the future? You mentioned connections...do top programs give connections to higher paying jobs? Conversely, does joining a relatively poor program limit your income?

Thanks

Don't be so obsessed with money. Good job does not mean the best pay. There is a lot more in a job than just salary.

In top tier programs, they will give you a secret code upon graduation that you will put it in your reports and get paid more than other radiologists.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Does the quality/"tier" of the program you attend have any correlation with the amount of money you can make in the future? You mentioned connections...do top programs give connections to higher paying jobs? Conversely, does joining a relatively poor program limit your income?

Thanks

No. But after a certain level of income other things get much more important, especially location. Couldn't pay me enough to live in some areas.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

The job market is improving but your statement is WRONG. Please don't give wrong recommendation if you don't know enough about something.

Yes, you will be able to go back to SoCal but the bigger question is what kind of job ? For every good job out there, one or two bad jobs exist. So yes, you CAN make it back to SoCal by going to UW but with 1. lots of difficulty and 2. you will more likely end up in a bad job and in a few years you will become a constant whiner on radiology forums.

I am very positive about job market and I think the market is much better than what people say but even when the market was extremely good, finding a GOOD job in NYC, SoCal, SF, Boston and few other places was very hard. For example primary care and hospitalist jobs are easy to find in SoCal but finding a good one is not that easy.

If someone wants to end up in SoCal I don't see ANY reason to rank UW above USC. If you are talking about Hopkins or MGH or UCSF versus USF that is a different story. But UW, not.

USC graduates are on top of the list to get good jobs in SoCal probably just second to UCLA and UCSD graduates and above Hopkins, MGH and BWH graduates. The only difference is MGH, BWH, Hopkins and few other programs have national and international reputation that will stay with you the rest of your life and if for any reason you decide to go to Florida or Texas or Chicago, the name recognition is still there. But for UW and USC the name recognition is more local.

Bottom line: If you are sure that you want to end up in SoCal, choose USC above UW. USC versus Hopkins is a hard call and depends on your personal preference. But know that still USC graduates or the graduates of good local programs in any area have better chance to get a job in that area compared to graduates of MGH or Hopkins.

As a private practice radiologist, I don't care if residents of a certain program do impressive research. It won't help me to grow my business, it won't clean my long list and it won't translate into better quality reports or improve relation with clinicians.

Hey shark2000. You always seem to give good advice, so I was just curious where your advice is based off of. Are you a resident, pp attending, academic attending? Do u deal with recruitment? Etc.

This isn't an attack or troll post. Just since most of us(myself included) take your advice into consideration, it'd be nice to know a bit about you.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Hey shark2000. You always seem to give good advice, so I was just curious where your advice is based off of. Are you a resident, pp attending, academic attending? Do u deal with recruitment? Etc.

This isn't an attack or troll post. Just since most of us(myself included) take your advice into consideration, it'd be nice to know a bit about you.

He specifically says in his post he's a private practice radiologist who hires people to grow his business...

"As a private practice radiologist, I don't care if residents of a certain program do impressive research. It won't help me to grow my business, it won't clean my long list and it won't translate into better quality reports or improve relation with clinicians."