Ranking the worst rad onc programs in the nation - for med students
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drewdog1973
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Forget objective.
take a chainsaw and take a spot from every program. That’s about 70 spots. Good start.
take a chainsaw and take a spot from every program. That’s about 70 spots. Good start.
Maybe someone needs to explain it to the boomer chairs in really simple terms:
- if one ape closes residency spot or program, rad onc stock stays still or goes down
- if many apes close residency spots or programs, rad onc stock goes up
- if one ape closes residency spot or program, rad onc stock stays still or goes down
- if many apes close residency spots or programs, rad onc stock goes up
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apes strong together
This is a recruiter email I received today regarding a med onc position explains why boomer and even non boomer chairs will do anything and everything possible to never decrease residency positions. A market where you would need to pay and retain MDs like that in a city with a real airport is their nightmare scenario
The chairs and PDs who are expanding or refusing to contract are the Melvin Capital in this scenario. They have shorted the specialty. They get rich when the shareholders (rad oncs) get poor.
They don't want to listen to you. They have won the game and the system is rigged in their favor. Now it's all about them getting richer by making the shareholders (rad oncs) poorer.
Could've been a rad onc posting a decade ago....
I prefer to think of them as the Dukes from Trading Places.
They've cornered the market on residency expansion longs and the only way to make them pay is to "SELL! SELL! SELL!"
(if you're too young to know the reference, find a Blockbuster and rent the damn tape. Make sure to rewind before returning)
Really wish Amazon would have bankrolled the TP sequel instead of coming to america. Bet $1 it would have done even better!I prefer to think of them as the Dukes from Trading Places.
They've cornered the market on residency expansion longs and the only way to make them pay is to "SELL! SELL! SELL!"
(if you're too young to know the reference, find a Blockbuster and rent the damn tape. Make sure to rewind before returning)
Boomers! Unfortunately, I know these references, including experiences with blockbuster and returning movies without rewinding them.
Blockbuster had the chance to buy netflix for nothing and they said no. They didn’t take actions to prevent their company from going under. Our “leaders” are similar to blockbuster executives. Total losers in long run!!!
Evolve or die. Its the indisputable reality we can easily see with our own eyes that that almost no one thinks applies to them.
I am on board with a massive contraction in rad onc residency spots and would acknowledge that the job market isn't in great shape
...but chairs/PDs aren't pocketing profits at the expense of paying docs less. Someone is -don't get me wrong, but it's likely not the rad onc chairs/PDs.
It's useful to acknowledge that chairs/PDs aren't like a soulless greedy hedge fund... ego and fear are likely bigger motivators than greed.
PDs are not pocketing much. We know this. This is often a thankless job which brings more work and little incentives, other than perhaps it looking good on resume and it might help you move up. Chairs in the other hand I am not so sure. I have met some good decent chairs. Some terrible greedy apes as well. Some make 1-2 million. Administrative lard at the top is also to blame.
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Are you in the know? A chairman posting on SDN? Lol
Hitting budgetary targets can bring a bonus for department chairs.
But a chair who doesn't have to hire NPs/PAs to provide note monkeys for faculty saves on budgetary considerations, and thus looks better to the cancer center director, CMO, and other C-suite level admin. This keeps those folks happyh and less likely to 'pressure' the chair out of the chairman position. Keep those C-suite people happy for long enough, and then maybe the Rad Onc Chair gets to become the leader of the cancer center.
It may not be direct financial compensation, but it's not because these chairs are all stupid that they are keeping their heads in the sand about this. They know it will give them a better chance of moving up the ladder if they maintain the status quo.
My rise in academics has been truly meteoric. Fellow to chair in 2 years! lol
I don't disagree with this. I am sure there is pressure from leadership... like I said it's probably more about pride and fear than it is about greed.
They can walk and chew gum when it comes to their own personal interest and the collective screwing of everyone else in the specialty
FTFY. Walking and chewing gum for the purposes of fixing the Rad Onc field, that's impossible!
Cash & level of approvals needed for buyout of even 1 PP >>>>> using residents to "run services"
I agree, there is probably an element of pride & fear
Wonder if there are rivalries within PD leadership?
I can just imagine:
"Your program only grew by 12 residents, watch this..."
"My program always matches"
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Interview season starting soon and some of the worst programs like Texas A and M sitting out the match.
Agreed
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deleted1111261
Eeek. That’s a very bad sign.
Couple of ways to interpret? Maybe they are doing the right thing and not filling it all, or more likely, they are trying to keep it for an out of match FMG desperate to find any residency position in the US?
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deleted1111261
Fair. But, it seems they are circumventing and just going to offer outside match.
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What am I looking at here? Is this a job posting from a long time ago when rad onc was still competitive?
Read the post underneath. It's a med onc position. Would have been a rad onc position from 2010-2015 or so.
Nowadays that recruiter is probably getting inundated with apps and probably doesn't need to advertise a rad onc position there anymore if it is even a halfway decent location
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i think we passed the point on this a few years ago. Pretty much all of them are a bad deal. The larger ones are merely training cogs for the satellite.
Bingo. Much better than interviewing 40 people for 1 slot, paying for their travel and dinner, then groveling at their feet for them to grace you with a spot on their rank list..... only to end up SOAPing a desperate FMG anyway.
This is known as "acceptance."
Would probably take dartmouth out of bottom 10 this year.
Updated 2022-2023 hellpit list us on the way folks! Not a lot of changes so don’t get too excited.
you mean you submitted to red journal or will post here? We need anecdotes about each place.
Do you disagree with the 2021 list, discuss. Give us your list too
I would have a new level of respect for sue yom if she accepted this into the red journal.
People need to rest dude. They are exhausted!
Don't disagree at all. I just want a sentence or two next to each. Something witty about the location, the chair, etc. I don't doubt your knowledge of hellpit. The list is now infamous enough to warrant more bescumbering.
So would I. At least we could call it an SDN list since it originated on SDN, unlike the other red journal article that attributed a list on another website entirely to SDN.
To be fair, there's a "D" in both SDN and Reddit, so you can see the confusion.
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