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Does anyone knows whts the average GPA and MCAT score accepted at RCSI? Any Comments will be appreciated.
chang said:Does anyone knows whts the average GPA and MCAT score accepted at RCSI? Any Comments will be appreciated.
Jammer said:Forget about GPA and MCAT, as long as you have deep pockets, you're in! Remember, the only score that RCSI cares about is the CASH score.
Actually, the College is thinking of changing its logo to RC$I.
NIQ said:Truth is by final year most people are fed up with the price hikes and the lack of information why RCSI is doing it. I'm happy with my education here, just not how the college handles matters with students.
dontbsme said:Man, Jhammer, has your story changed recently! It wasn't so long ago that you posted the message below. Have you, by any chance, encountered a disciplinary action by the college's administration recently because, all of a sudden you've changed from being a content student to a disgruntled one? Did you declare that you had attended a Caribbean school when you applied to RCSI? Falsifying or intentionally omitting the required portions of an application are grounds for dismissal you know.
dontbsme said:I know Dr. Tam and, once again, his feedback is NOT as you suggest it might be.
Jammer said:Either you don't know him as well as you may think or, more probably, you are lying. Either way, you have, yet again, confirmed that YOU are an idiot.
With all disrespect, etc...
dontbsme said:Unfortunately, fee hikes are a necessary evil universally. They are not limited to RCSI. The Utah State University system raised fees by 12% this year. Ohio State hiked theirs by up to 15%. The University System of Georgia only increased theirs by a meagre 10%! The University of California system's fees increased by an astonishing 79% between 2001 and 2005 and a number of Canadian universities are in the midst of a fees crisis. QUOTE]
That's all very misleading. Those schools raised their low fees by a large percent, but the dollar increase wasn't so much. RCSI has very high fees so a 5-10% increase is a much larger dollar increase.
r3boot said:always with something useful to say... this does not answer the question posed by chang in his original post nor does it help anybody on the board.
dontbsme said:Unfortunately, fee hikes are a necessary evil universally. They are not limited to RCSI. The Utah State University system raised fees by 12% this year. Ohio State hiked theirs by up to 15%. The University System of Georgia only increased theirs by a meagre 10%! The University of California system's fees increased by an astonishing 79% between 2001 and 2005 and a number of Canadian universities are in the midst of a fees crisis. Now, bear in mind that all of these universities receive millions and millions of dollars in public/government funding. RCSI doesn't receive a penny. How do you propose that a medical school which derives much of it's operating income from student fees keep those fees static when its costs continue to increase? When you start practicing medicine do you propose to charge the same fees year after year? Of course not. That would be absurd, wouldn't it? Your patients will complain ad infinitum but without increasing your fees you will go out of business in no time. Budding physician you may be, but budding economist you are not. It will all make more sense when you graduate, go into practice and become responsible for your own bottom line, property, plant, equipment and the livelihoods of your employees.
RCSI publishes an annual report/financial statement which accounts for every Euro it spends. So, the only reason anyone can claim that they don't know where their fees are going is because they haven't made an effort to locate and read it. It's so much easier to whine incessantly on a bulletin board.
Jammer said:You first...why haven't you answered the original post? What was your GPA? How about your MCAT score? Or is it that you have not had the privilege of attending a reputable university prior to matriculating at RCSI. If so, that may explain why you lack any sort of critical appraisal for the education that you are receiving from RCSI.
r3boot said:You are right RCSI is the first college I've attended. Which is why I didn't volunteer any info regarding mcat scores etc.(I never took them)
While I'm sure you see this as a disadvantage, I see the fact that people do an undergrad degree and then go to medical school as a waste of time (I'm sure everyone disagrees with me on this but there you go!)
Wow, I've heard a lot of stupid things on this board. I am saving this quote as my new leader.r3boot said:I see the fact that people do an undergrad degree and then go to medical school as a waste of time.
r3boot said:You are right RCSI is the first college I've attended. Which is why I didn't volunteer any info regarding mcat scores etc.(I never took them)
While I'm sure you see this as a disadvantage, I see the fact that people do an undergrad degree and then go to medical school as a waste of time (I'm sure everyone disagrees with me on this but there you go!)
Are you brain damaged??! No one said, "MOST of the worlds doctors are crap". Only that the statement, "I see the fact that people do an undergrad degree and then go to medical school as a waste of time" was stupid.r3boot said:So what you are trying to tell me is that MOST of the worlds doctors are crap and that the main reason why they are crap is because they didn't do 4 years worth of lectures. You might be right but I wouldn't bet on it
Choda said:There is a reason why REAL medical school in the north america require you to do a degree: and undergrad allows you to mature and develop academic and social skills that are ESSENTIAL to becoming a good doctor.
student.ie said:dontbsme said:Unfortunately, fee hikes are a necessary evil universally. They are not limited to RCSI. The Utah State University system raised fees by 12% this year. Ohio State hiked theirs by up to 15%. The University System of Georgia only increased theirs by a meagre 10%! The University of California system's fees increased by an astonishing 79% between 2001 and 2005 and a number of Canadian universities are in the midst of a fees crisis. QUOTE]
That's all very misleading. Those schools raised their low fees by a large percent, but the dollar increase wasn't so much. RCSI has very high fees so a 5-10% increase is a much larger dollar increase.
I wouldn't have thought that it was necessary to clarify what is blatantly obvious to the average SDN member. Are you suggesting that private schools in the USA and Canada have not undertaken significant fee hikes in recent years? If so, the statistics are readily available online to categorically disprove that.
Note: American students who are inclined to whine about the cost of their education in Ireland and spend hours reading postings on SDN should direct their time and efforts to complaining directly to the Bush administration for (a) ensuring that the weak US dollar has increased the cost of your medical education and (b) permitting you to be charged outrageous fees to "guarantee" your student loans.
Respectfully, etc.
Jammer said:Your argument fails to include two of the most important issues when discussing tuition fees and increases at RCSI.
Firstly, you draw comparison to tuition fee increases by American and Canadian medical schools, however, you fail to include any comparison of the overall product that is being delivered in exchange for these fees. Why have you failed to include this comparison...because there is no comparison. RCSI is what North American medical schools were like 25 years ago and that's being generous. You would think that RCSI is making efforts to decrease the disparity, to bring its standards up to par with well respected medical schools, but based on the most recent curriculum change in which patient contact has been delayed for one year, (ie., first contact with patients used to occur at the end of the second medical year, now first contact with patients will occur at the end of the third medical year reducing clinical rotations by 33%) RCSI is moving further away from modern day medical education standards .
Secondly, you have not mentioned the fact that the RCSI administration and faculty have an unscrupulous habit for spending money. It's really easy to spend other people's money, especially when you don't have to be accountable for your actions. Lavish dinner and drink receptions, first class travel and accommodations for administration/faculty AND their families, and this is just scratching the surface. The real expenditure occurs in business ventures that are not directly related to the medical school. You claim that RCSI does not receive 'a penny' from the Government - completely untrue. RCSI receives government funding for education of Irish students. Also, RCSI is (as the administration refer to it) an 'independent institution'. Translation: it is a private, for-profit school. This means that at the end of the day someone is making money (and a lot of it) using money that is partially derived from students' tuition fees as capital.
Seeing as how you have failed to include these integral issues in your argument, your argument is flawed and, therefore, it is weak and worthless.
Jammer said:Either you don't know him as well as you may think or, more probably, you are lying. Either way, you have, yet again, confirmed that YOU are an idiot.
With all disrespect, etc...
Choda said:whoa you are insane. doing an undergrad degree in medical school is a waste of time!!!!??? totally absurd. There is a reason why REAL medical school in the north america require you to do a degree: and undergrad allows you to mature and develop academic and social skills that are ESSENTIAL to becoming a good doctor. I find it laughable how some kids in my class barely have pubic hair and are trying to perform a mock consultation in broken english. some kids here have no life skills, no social skills and are certainly by no means mature. you can tell the difference here between someone who has done a degree and someone who hasn't. those of us who have done degrees perform better academically. In my opinion, having kids here without degrees definately brings down the educational experience. But hey, all the power to you... just don't be alarmed when your patient is laughing at you because you forgot to clean off that wet-dream stain from your pants.
Jammer said:Either you don't know him as well as you may think or, more probably, you are lying. Either way, you have, yet again, confirmed that YOU are an idiot.
With all disrespect, etc...
dontbsme said:Underestimating the talent of the younger foreign (non native English-speaking) students is the most common mistake that North American students make when they arrive in Ireland. But I can assure you that your sneer will be on the other side of your face after final examinations.
Who, may I ask, are you to insult their English language skills? I presume that your first language is English. However, your own skills in writing your native language are far from flawless and, generally speaking, the English language and writing skills of the vast majority of North American students are of the same calibre. American students, in particular, tend to bastardize the spoken language. Could you not find space here to applaud their undertaking a medical education in a foreign land, in a foreign language and graduating as (at least) bilingual physicians at an early age. How many languages will you be able to speak when graduation comes around? Your condescending attitude towards those who are not like you is not a desirable trait in a prospective physician. It is rather ugly in fact. One questions whether your comments should be interpreted as simply immature or, worse, covertly racist.
Finally, as far as life experience is concerned, would you disagree that those students will have more life experience and accomplishments under their belts when they graduate as bilingual or trilingual physicians at the age of 23 than you had at the same age?
Respectfully, etc.
Choda said:Am I racist? you don't even know what race/races I am!
dontbsme said:Racism raises its ugly head in many forms, my friend. Individuals who are of singular or mixed race can exhibit it overtly or, as you have, covertly. I hope I am mistaken in this observation but you might consider why those students do not befriend you. Perhaps they sense your condescending demeanour towards them. Or, perhaps your blatant immaturity entices them to steer clear of YOU.
Your previous posting, far from making me grin with it's supposed tongue-in-cheek, sophomoric humor and appalling vocabulary and spelling, certainly paints you as a decidedly immature individual. Again, I hope I am mistaken. But, would your parents or peers be proud to see the gibberingish and "charming" resume you posted above? Is not that kind of nonsense unbecoming to a person who has spent many thousands of dollars to educate himself and elevate his intellect? As a medical student could you not try to challenge yourself by engaging in more substantive social intercourse?
Readers, I anxiously await his response to the word "intercourse". Will he take the bait?
Respectfully, etc.
Choda said:Do you realize that some people just post stuff for the sake of posting stupid stuff because they know chumps just like you will spend (and waste) the effort to respond?
Bukake, etc.
dontbsme said:He didn't enjoy his experience at RCSI so much that he recommended it to his younger brother who, if I'm not mistaken, graduated last year! I know them both. Each of them spent time doing research at Massachusetts General Hospital's Dept. of Neurology under Dr. Ogilvy.
Your vulgarity knows no bounds does it?
Respectfully, etc.