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We need a thread on real bad OERs.
I have seen many so-called real OER stories such as "this officer deprived a village of its idiot." "His men would follow him but only out of morbid curiosity." But I doubt their veracity. So, share OER comments you have really seen. No one is obligated to admit it was of themselves.

I saw this in mid-90s of a COL who was going to kill his staff in order to make general. The real general saw this guy coming and promptly ended his career:

"Joe is a great officer, he usually makes good decisions."

No, this was not said of me.
[Change the names to protect the good, bad, ugly, guilty...]

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DogFaceMedic said:
We need a thread on real bad OERs.
I have seen many so-called real OER stories such as "this officer deprived a village of its idiot." "His men would follow him but only out of morbid curiosity." But I doubt their veracity. So, share OER comments you have really seen. No one is obligated to admit it was of themselves.

I saw this in mid-90s of a COL who was going to kill his staff in order to make general. The real general saw this guy coming and promptly ended his career:

"Joe is a great officer, he usually makes good decisions."

No, this was not said of me.
[Change the names to protect the good, bad, ugly, guilty...]


I think it is truly unusual to get a flat out "bad" OER, (like the "village idiot" comment) especially in the medical corps; you'd have to be blatently incompetent to the point of being a true medical menace. More commonly, raters use "code words" that over time have taken on a "read between the lines" significance. For example, I was told to never write that someone has done a "commendable" job -- it may sound great in the civilian world, but apparently in Army OER lingo it denotes mediocrity at best. So, the military has it's own language; another example would be how acknowledging someones verbal comments by saying "noted, sir" is actually a huge blow-off equivalent to "right, you dumb jackass." The true masters of OER/NCOER language are the senior NCO's; they teach entire courses on proper NCOER/OER writing.

X-RMD -- OER-FREE!!!!!
 
DogFaceMedic said:
We need a thread on real bad OERs.
I have seen many so-called real OER stories such as "this officer deprived a village of its idiot." "His men would follow him but only out of morbid curiosity." But I doubt their veracity. So, share OER comments you have really seen. No one is obligated to admit it was of themselves.

I saw this in mid-90s of a COL who was going to kill his staff in order to make general. The real general saw this guy coming and promptly ended his career:

"Joe is a great officer, he usually makes good decisions."

No, this was not said of me.
[Change the names to protect the good, bad, ugly, guilty...]

Most of the time, at least in the AF, medical officers are tasked with writing their own OPRs and having the next guy up in command sign them. Sometimes, we would sign the enlisted EPRs and they typically wrote their own- or were responsible for their own bullets. My experience is that you cannot say anything bad about anyone- unless that person is hated up and down the command and the commander is asking you to do it to get them out. Everyone always gets the highest marks no matter how average you are. As a military doctor being promoted below the zone is extremely rare and you have to be extremely command track and likely academy. Everyone gets promoted in the zone except maybe between lt col and col you have to have graduate GME like war college. I was always encouraged to take Air Command STaff College etc. and never did and still made lt. col.
 
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DogFaceMedic said:
We need a thread on real bad OERs.
I have seen many so-called real OER stories such as "this officer deprived a village of its idiot." "His men would follow him but only out of morbid curiosity." But I doubt their veracity. So, share OER comments you have really seen. No one is obligated to admit it was of themselves.

Here are some of mine:

After I stood up in 1999 as Medical Director of Anesthesia to oppose independent practice of CRNAs at Travis, which led to the permanent brain damage of an active duty NCO, I embarrassed the Squadron Commander. He was good buddies with his USAFA and USUHS classmate, my Flight Commander, who got fired for dereliction of duty (among other things) for not enforcing good order and discipline within the Anesthesia Flight. The Command did not like that I had tried, as Medical Director, to enforce medical direction of anesthesia care (vs. nursing direction of same). Thus, this functionally-illiterate ex-pilot O-6 Squadron Commander had the following added to my OPR in his section:

"Mentoring necessary to assure appropriate team building; his growth has always improved group effort."

Translation: Needs to shut his pie hole and let patients die in a politically-correct fashion, so that his superiors don't get scrutinized for their criminal negligence in failing to prevent independent (mal)practice by pushy non-physicians in contravention of Medical Group Instructions and Air Force Instructions.

"Uncompromising officer with much to learn and offer; anticipate great strides with new challenges."

Translation: "Much to Learn" about shutting the f*** up and not making waves in an environment where what counts is making rank and saving face, not patient safety.

In 2001, I received a career-ending Letter of Reprimand (LOR) for saving the life of a nine year old child in a way that embarrassed the Command, which had to admit that the former "Medical Center" could not handle pediatric trauma cases *at all*. Subsequently, I expressed my concerns to a vascular surgeon with a tragic record of death/brain damage after carotid endarterectomies that everything had to be done "by the book" for his VIP patient in order to avoid an adverse outcome. He whined to his surgeon buddy, my ex-Navigator, USAFA and USUHS-grad Squadron Commander, a pinheaded, clinically-rusty, pointy-haired tyrant, who gave me a SECOND LOR for trying to look out for my patients. This O-6 tyrant then coerced my spineless Flight Commander, who was coasting on her way to retirement, to write the following in _her_ section of my OPR (to cover up his rank reprisal against me for making him look bad to his superiors, and for initiating an IG complaint against him for such reprisal):

"Rater Overall Assessment:
--Skilled physician blah blah
--Technological wizard blah blah
--Outstanding instructor blah blah
--Mission-oriented volunteer (for deployment shirked onto me by my Flight Commander so she could stay home to celebrate her twins' birthday)
--Prized consultant blah blah
--Undermined mission; made public, disparaging remarks concerning quality of care issues & repeat episode of inappropriate documentation of quality assurance information in patient chart; confident will not recur
--Talented anesthesiologist with impressive technical and pedagogical skills; valuable asset to medical center"

So, here were my cardinal sins: I wrote the truth in a patient's chart, and I spoke the truth to a surgeon colleague equal in rank to myself. For these sins, my career in the USAF was ruined. The IG complaint went nowhere: the IG system is set up specifically to cover the @$$es of high ranking officers, while hosing the poor, lower-ranking schmucks beneath them (cf. Abu Ghraib, USAFA evangelism, etc.).

It doesn't matter that I had 10 years of flawless OPRs before the first bad one, and 3 years of flawless OPRs after the second bad one. In the military, you are not allowed even one bad OPR bullet...even if it should be clear to the casual observer that you weren't caught driving drunk or raping enlisted women, but rather that you were caught standing up for integrity and patient safety as a board-certified specialist physician. Either one of the two adverse bullets above would have been enough to black-ball me forever from making O-6...which is reason number 731 why I left the USAF Medical Corps(e) after 19 years total active duty, resigned my Regular Commission as a LtCol, and walked away from all retirement pay and benefits.

Any poor medical student who has signed his or her life away to the military already should remember this: You will only get in trouble when you stand up to do the right thing. If you sit down, shut the f*** up, and let patients die, you will probably make General. Sleeping pills and alcohol may (may) help with the guilt-induced insomnia; just remember to take them separately, until the very last time. Sweet dreams.

--
R. Carlton (Rob) Jones, M.D.
Ex-LtCol, USAF, MC
Ex-Medical Director of Anesthesia, Travis AFB, CA
Ex-Assistant Chief Anesthesiologist, Andrews AFB, MD
OEF Anesthesiologist, 39th EMEDS, Incirlik AB, Turkey (2002)
Harvard '85 (ROTC Det. 365); USUHS '90; WHMC Anesthesiology '94
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Since then Travis CRNAs got a couple good kills. One was the 30 yr old appendectomy that lost his airway between the or and the pacu. How dicked up is that? made AF time.... we all had to BOLO- be on the lookout for his gun toting Dad in the hospital corridor when he was frustrated by the AF lack of accountability. Can't sue the govt! We blamed ephedra on the healthy 28 yr old shoulder surgery- "we being the hospital not me".

I didn't see on your list the "Can't Do Attitude" found only in the military where you can't fire someone because they claim "it isn't in their job description"
 
former military said:
Since then Travis CRNAs got a couple good kills. One was the 30 yr old appendectomy that lost his airway between the or and the pacu. How dicked up is that? made AF time.... we all had to BOLO- be on the lookout for his gun toting Dad in the hospital corridor when he was frustrated by the AF lack of accountability. Can't sue the govt! We blamed ephedra on the healthy 28 yr old shoulder surgery- "we being the hospital not me".

We probably know some of the same people, dude.

I have been told that the CRNA primarily at fault (whom I knew when she was a ward nurse) had a nervous breakdown, then left nurse anesthesia...which was probably a correct decision, as, otherwise, she would probably be a LtCol Squadron Commander by now, ordering anesthesiologists around...

One of the major problems with military medicine is that NO ONE learns from the mistakes of the past; after a few rounds of PCSes, there is no institutional memory...and the Generals who do know the truth try to cover it up, so as to make rank:

former military said:
I didn't see on your list the "Can't Do Attitude" found only in the military where you can't fire someone because they claim "it isn't in their job description"

From my book of quotes: http://www.medicalcorpse.com/fithexcerpt.html

At Andrews Base Gym for mandatory workout:

RCJ: "Can I have a towel, please?"

"Sorry sir, we're out of towels."
--Sergeant manning the front desk

RCJ: "Then what's that?" I ask, pointing to a nice, large, fluffy towel sitting on the desk right in front of the Sergeant.

Sergeant: "I'm sorry sir, that's a VIP towel."

RCJ: "What?"

Sergeant: "We won't have towels for half an hour"

(meaning: tiny little inadequate towels we will deign to give to stinking non-VIP Lieutenant Colonel staff anesthesiologist physicians) 2 June 04 0800. By early 2005, this issue became moot: In Order To Serve Their Customers Worse, they decided to do away with the towel service altogether, thus forcing military members with asthma to endanger their health by putting wet towels in their trunks to fester all day, thus creating allergy-triggering mildew in the humid Washington summertime.
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Nemo Me Impune Lacessit: It's Not Just For Breakfast Anymore
 
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DogFaceMedic said:
Never Mind.

Never mind what? My OPR bullets too explosive for you?
They certainly weren't teflon coated...
 
One of my proudest OPR moments was just before I left. I was assigned to write the OPR of a brilliant, Major anesthesiologist, who had been royally screwed and terminally demoralized with the system, and was counting the days on his cell phone until he got out. Thus, I felt free to include the following verbiage on his OPR:

"Leveraged synergies across all technology platforms"

...which is a verbatim quote from a Dilbert(R) cartoon re: Wally's performance evaluation.

I am sure our fine Merkin Texas Aggie Absentee Landlord Flight Commander caught this before it went to final draft...NOT!

BWAHAHAHhahaha...!
 
MedicalCorpse said:
In 2001, I received a career-ending Letter of Reprimand (LOR) for saving the life of a nine year old child...

How did you save the child? Are you saying you wrestled the child away from another provider during a procedure?
 
MedicalCorpse said:
One of my proudest OPR moments was just before I left. I was assigned to write the OPR of a brilliant, Major anesthesiologist, who had been royally screwed and terminally demoralized with the system, and was counting the days on his cell phone until he got out. Thus, I felt free to include the following verbiage on his OPR:

"Leveraged synergies across all technology platforms"

...which is a verbatim quote from a Dilbert(R) cartoon re: Wally's performance evaluation.

I am sure our fine Merkin Texas Aggie Absentee Landlord Flight Commander caught this before it went to final draft...NOT!

BWAHAHAHhahaha...!

One of my colleagues had an opr bullet talking about fixing an iraqi boy's urethral injury from a crush injury by a u.s. tank... it was "BETTER" worded as urethral injury from "insurgent force vehicle". That does sound better.
 
IgD said:
How did you save the child? Are you saying you wrestled the child away from another provider during a procedure?

Pretty much. You try telling an orthopod that, in this one instance,

HX: BB
PE: BB
Impression: BB
Plan: MFB

...is not good enough, absent a pediatric ward, pediatric nurses, pediatric ICU, a cleared neck, completed (read) trauma imaging studies, etc., at our rinky-dink glorified super-clinic (Andrews), after my personal experience a few days prior with an 8 year old who almost died on our ADULT ward, and had to be emergently transferred to WRAMC for appropriate care.

That's pretty much wrestling the child away. He's alive, however. His father, who had surgery the night before by the same surgeon (screaming invective the whole time he was hammering, according to my anesthesiologist colleague), is dead and in the ground due to anticoagulation issues.

As a result of my "wrestling" the patient away, in accordance with the wishes of the patient's mom, who was AD Army, and who felt comfortable with WRAMC, I got my first LOR, in which I was accused of having an opinion different from the "attending surgeon", because I, as an "attending provider", had no right to do anything except shut up and pass gas. I can sleep well at night, however, knowing I did the right thing.

As a result of my actions, and a couple near misses (i.e., radiologist refusing to come in at night to help reduce intussusception) several surgeons began transferring little kids out of Andrews to Children's Hospital/WRAMC/NHB...and not ONE of them was punished at all for their decisions, which were looked on by the Surgeon Squadron Commander as the height of sagacious, conservative surgical perspicacity (vs. anesthesia, the evil Department of Surgical Prevention in their eyes).

Next?

Oh, and remember, y'all:

Nemo Me Impune Lacessit.

--Rob
 
After reading this thread, I had to dig out my one of my old fitreps from an overseas duty station.

I received a grade of 1.0 in both Leadership and Teamwork for, and I quote: "unwillingness to accept new Navy evaluation ranking system, implementation of TQL tools...actively undermined CO... created disharmony and lack of cooperation by other staff..."

I.E. I went to bat for my techs against the Command Master Chief, stated out loud in many useless meetings that TQL was mostly bull***t, and referred to the patient contact rep (a civilian dependent employee with zero medical background) as a "parasite". (As an aside, whatever happened to TQL? I suppose it went the way of all such faddish management crapola...)

On the same fitrep, I received a grade of 2.0 in Equal Opportunity, I think because after the command went to "GQ" over a few low marks on an EEO survey, I stated in the presence of a black admin nurse that the survey was useless crap anyway because the sample size was too small.

This CO was the biggest tool I had ever run across in my career to this point. He wanted to make admiral so bad he could taste it. He also gigged the surgeon and ob/gyn at this facility in similar ways.

Anyway, living well is the best revenge. He never did make O-7, and last I heard he was a big admin wheel in one of the professional societies. I made O-5 without any problems, and got selected as a reserve O-6 before I got fed up and resigned my commission. :laugh:

That reminds me of a situation at that facility where the Navy got hoist on its own P.C. petard, but that's a story for another time, I suppose....

ExNavyRad
 
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former military said:
One of my colleagues had an opr bullet talking about fixing an iraqi boy's urethral injury from a crush injury by a u.s. tank... it was "BETTER" worded as urethral injury from "insurgent force vehicle". That does sound better.

Well, we are insurgents against insurgents, uh...never mind.

More OPR fun:

Told to write my own OPR (as usual). Mentioned that I was associate webmaster a one of the premier Anesthesiology websites in the world at the time (gasnet.med.yale.edu). Functionally illiterate Surgical Squadron commander sent it back crossed out, with PREMIERE written in. I refused to change it...sent it back...came back yet again...I went to Altavista (this was pre-Google)...printed out a summary of 1.5 million sites claiming to be "Premier Websites", vs. 43 or so claiming to be "premiere" (most from Eastern Europe, etc.), then included same in the blue OPR folder...never heard anything back; was left as is.

Just before I left the military, NASCAR-loving soccer mom high school graduate Squadron secretary felt "empowered" enough to correct my bullet for a subordinate lauding his work with "wartime critical materiel" to "...material". I just wrote down something like: WRONG WORD and sent it back.

...got lots more like this in my book chapter on this subject:

Chapter 24: The Arcane Art of Hydropodology: The Corrupt and Insane OPR System

Hydropodology (Noun) Copyright 2004, Robert C. Jones, M.D. Definition: The process of making your incompetent subordinate seem to walk on water by lying about his/her capabilities on his/her OPR, so that the OPR isn't kicked back to you for revisions a billion times until the subordinate is made to seem to walk on water, because that's the only thing that the Command wants to hear, unless you're Rob Jones, in which case, screw him.
...
The OPR Lady or the Tiger:
Metacognitive Dissonance and Doubly Inaccurate Binary Options
or
Possession is 9/10ths of the Law

I am in somewhat of a quandary as to how to respond to the OPR correction suggested by my Flight Commander and Chief Anesthesiologist. On the one hand, the LOE (Letter of Evaluation) provided to (my subordinate) Dr. G. from his deployment clearly stated that he "collected medical records of over 5000 warfighters". On the other hand, the only two binary options I have been given to replace the word "collected" are EITHER "proceeded" or "evaluated". Now, it is highly unlikely that Dr. G., as a board-certified, consultant anesthesiologist specialist, was either tasked or qualified to "evaluate" medical records a la a primary care physician; it is far more likely that he either volunteered or was volunteered to process medical records. Sadly, the word "processed" was not one of the two (2) choices I was vouchsafed by my FLT/CC. Thus, given that employment of the unwarranted term "evaluated" borders upon an affront to my personal integrity (the number one Air Force Core Value, I hasten to point out), I am sadly forced to use the word "proceeded", as that would at least remind the intelligent reader of the word "processed", and thus complete the circle of communication I would have wished for had I been given leeway to utilize le seul mot juste ab initio. QED.

//Signed//


Robert C. Jones, M.D.
LtCol, USAF, MC
Assistant Chief Anesthesiologist
89 MSGS/SGCJ
Former chief editor of the Mather House literary magazine,
Harvard University, 1983-85


"This concern with external beauty that you reproach me for is a method for me. When I discover a disagreeable assonance or a repetition in one of my sentences, I can be sure that I'm floundering around in something false. By dint of searching, I find the right expression, which was the only one all along, and at the same time the harmonious one. The word is never lacking when one is in possession of the idea."
–Gustave Flaubert, March 1876
http://www.robotwisdom.com/flaubert/
 
I wonder if you ever ran into Paul Friedrichs... the ultimate physician administrator at Andrews or if his head was constantly inside the size 46in polyester slacks of the highest pecking order 0-6. HPSP students should all meet him as the ultimate antirecruiting tool.
 
former military said:
I wonder if you ever ran into Paul Friedrichs... the ultimate physician administrator at Andrews or if his head was constantly inside the size 46in polyester slacks of the highest pecking order 0-6. HPSP students should all meet him as the ultimate antirecruiting tool.

Do you mean *that* Paul Friedrichs...my USUHS classmate...the USUHS Class of 1986 Air Force Representative, who even then was a [redacted]?

Here's an anecdote: He pulls aside a female USU MS-III one day rotating through Andrews urology. "I hear you're interested in anesthesia. You know, all they want to do is to get out of the hospital, go home, and be with their families. I think you'd make a great urologist."

This MS-III says something diplomatic, but is thinking to herself: "Go home? Be with my family? Sounds good to me."

She is now an extremely gifted, board-certified, active duty anesthesiologist and mom at one of the few major USAF medical centers left...and he's still a [redacted] tool. I wonder how many urology residents he snagged with his "Stay in the hospital and don't see your family" line...
 
DogFaceMedic said:
Never Mind.

It was a decent effort. Twice. If nothing else I've found some more "6x10^23 reasons military medicine is a sinking ship that you should run away from like a kid with appendicitis in an MTF or you will go down with it until you find yourself addicted to the narcotics that are overperscribed in a broken system full of underachieving pseudophysicians that are commanded by hyper-egocentric nurses and dim-witted administrators who are trying to make as many stupid decisions as possible so they can avoid more of the responsibility that they've been thrown into without being qualified for so shoot yourself now or you'll regret it later unless you've already signed the HPSP contract (then move to Canada) or started USUHS (then give yourself a frontal labotomy) or you will find yourself wanting to kill yourself when you find out what you've really gotten yourself into even though WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!" stuff to read. Nothing beats good material to procrastinate. Keep it up guys, I'm sure there's one thread here that will stay on track for more than 3 hours someday, but until then this is free entertainment...since I missed the warning.

Ahhh.

On a relevant note:

I was chastised once because I rated my PLT SGT in the medical field 2/2 (for perfomance/potential) out of 5/5 (1 being the highest, 5 being the lowest) because I was killing his career. My argument was that I knew the system was broken, but I thought the guy was a s*&t-bag and was doing him a huge favor by giving him the 2/2, which essentially means promote ahead of peers. I was then told (in not so many words) that my OER could potentially look a lot worse than the impression of a 2/2 if it was written by the wrong person. As luck would have it, I stuck to my guns, got into medical school, and told the CO that I didn't care what he wrote because it just became irrelevant. Can't imagine what would have happened to my career if I hadn't come to school.

Can't wait to get back and fight those battles again! Yeeee-Haaaaaaw!!!

(Oh yeah... I didn't run spell check...to busy trying to figure out how to spell clinicopathologic to worry about whether or not I can spell irrelevant correctly....maybe next time.)
 
MedicalCorpse said:
, having CRNAs (mal)practicing independently,

With all due respect, take this particular flame-provoking theme to the anesthesia forum. While you are certainly entitled to your personal anesthesia opinion (again, properly deposited on the anesthesia forum), this is the military forum where many CRNAs practice independently on the front lines.

I have been deployed as the sole anesthesia provider more than once in various land and ship-based environments. A common surgeon comment, "oh, good, a CRNA, at least you pay attention during the case."

Two of my anesthesiologist group partners specifically requested me for their anesthetics.

Unless you want to read:

http://www.apsf.org/resource_center/newsletter/2006/winter/01perspective.htm

“A Question of Competence”

Dr. Julianne Chase, Senior Assistant Dean for Medical Education at NYU School of Medicine, revealed to the APSF Board that this was the first time she had discussed with a professional group of physicians the event her husband experienced in the OR since it happened, in 1986. She then told the powerful story of Danny Delio, 33, an exercise physiologist in superb physical condition as an active marathon runner. He had had previous hemorrhoid surgery and the same surgeon suggested surgical treatment of an anal fistula after draining an abscess in the office. Over Dr. Chase’s objection, Danny scheduled his surgery at a local community hospital rather than an available teaching hospital. An internist friend of theirs told them there were 2 anesthesiologists at that hospital to avoid because of prior complications and incidents, and that he would speak with the surgeon to advise him which anesthesiologists to request and which to avoid.
 
MedicalCorpse said:
Well, we are insurgents against insurgents, uh...never mind.

More OPR fun:

. . . I would have wished for had I been given leeway to utilize le seul mot juste ab initio. QED.

//Signed//


Robert C. Jones, M.D.
LtCol, USAF, MC
Assistant Chief Anesthesiologist
89 MSGS/SGCJ
Former chief editor of the Mather House literary magazine,
Harvard University, 1983-85


"This concern with external beauty that you reproach me for is a method for me. When I discover a disagreeable assonance or a repetition in one of my sentences, I can be sure that I'm floundering around in something false. By dint of searching, I find the right expression, which was the only one all along, and at the same time the harmonious one. The word is never lacking when one is in possession of the idea."
–Gustave Flaubert, March 1876
http://www.robotwisdom.com/flaubert/


Were you ever out of your element. Dommage.
 
Beware Harvard boys who need a soap box.
 
DogFaceMedic said:
Beware Harvard boys who need a soap box.

The guy has 19 years active duty as a medical officer. Regardless of what he has to say I would say he earned his right to be on the soap box.
 
trinityalumnus said:
My friends and contacts within HQ AF/SG and OSI have interesting files on you.
If you are so well versed in the military, you should realize it is COMPLETELY inappropriate to use your so-called "connections" to access this type of information. Did you tell your "sources" you were planning on posting this information on a public forum???
 
Lighten-up.

The idea of this thread was to be lighter humor and poking fun at some of the nonsense in the gov't; not a soap box for those who feel sorry for themselves and expect the rest of us to honor their self-pity because they lost their battles in the bureaucracy. Not interested.

But since my light-hearted thread was high-jacked:
Does the corpse's USUHS time count for retirement before he reaches 20? If not, then he did not quit 1 yr short, but 5 yrs short when his commitment was up.

I'm sorry he hates Christians and they rammed it down his throat...no, I take that back, I don't care.

ER forum is more fun and a good community that also shares useful information.
 
DogFaceMedic said:
Lighten-up.

Sir, yes sir!

DogFaceMedic said:
But since my light-hearted thread was high-jacked:
Does the corpse's USUHS time count for retirement before he reaches 20? If not, then he did not quit 1 yr short, but 5 yrs short when his commitment was up.

5 years short, as I have always said...which I figured was 4 more wars:
Iran, Syria, Taiwan (defense of same), Canada (for space to build more internment camps for enemies of the State), not necessarily in that order.

I do have 19 years total active federal service: 15 toward retirement, and, thanks to DOPMA, 4 at USUHS that don't count toward retirement (although they did count shortly before I joined, and classes before me sued to get their time back...just one more way the system was stacked from the beginning to screw docs into staying in the service longer. Doesn't work if people are willing to walk away at 15...17...18+ years toward retirement.)

DogFaceMedic said:
I'm sorry he hates Christians and they rammed it down his throat...no, I take that back, I don't care.

(Irony) Some of my best friends are Christians.(/Irony) I don't hate Christians. Hatred of people because of their religion is wrong. When was the last time you saw a Wiccan or Pagan on TV waving a sign saying someone was going to Hell because of (fill in the blank: stem cells, abortion, whatever)? Oh, that's right: we don't believe in that myth (just as we don't believe in the Christian Satan or the Easter Bunny). However, we do, in the main, believe in what Hinduism/Buddhism calls karma: the Law of Return.
Thus, if we give religious intolerance, we will get it; but if we get it, we're not sitting down and going up in flames like the old days. Never again the Burning! http://www.cafepress.com/ibonewits.13988372

FWIW, I tried to stay on topic by posting real bullets from my OPRs. Oh, well. (Topic) Shift happens.

Later...

--
Rob
 
"The Softest Pillow Is A Clear Conscience"
--canonical

--
Just Rob Jones, M.D.
 
dpill said:
If you are so well versed in the military, you should realize it is COMPLETELY inappropriate to use your so-called "connections" to access this type of information. Did you tell your "sources" you were planning on posting this information on a public forum???

that someone still in the military would "threaten" someone by gaining access to "special" files should suprise no one. Someone committed to USAF Core Values, someone committed to idealism would have usually exited the USAF. Someone still remaining would be more likely to use their "connections" for their benefit. The memo below quite accurately depicts USAF leadership (not all of course!). Can you say Corrupt? :meanie:

One of the most interesting things I got out of college was during a political science course...I read one historian (wish I could remember who) who said that people's relationship with any political institution occurs in four stages:

Idealism - one first encounters/enters the system full of enthusiasm and bright ideas to make things better. Young congressman, young HPSPer, etc.

Pragmatism - after a significant amount of time/experience in the system, the person realizes that most of their initial ideas are either extremely difficult or impossible to accomplish because of various obstacles within the system. The person adjusts their goals and now tries to accomplish what parts of their initial ideas seem feasible.

Ambition - after the person has invested a significant amount of time and effort into the system, his viewpoint begins to shift from promoting those ideals he initially entered the system with to promoting his own interests and career. He has now learned the system well and therefore becomes resistant to change, because his hard-earned knowledge of the system is what will allow his advancement. Ironically, he may even become one of the obstacles to change that the current idealists entering the system are encountering.

Corruption - the final stage, and this does not necessarily happen to everyone. It occurs when the person's viewpoint shifts completely to his own interests and he begins to exploit the system for purposes that the system was never intended for. The congressman takes bribes for certain legislation, a president hands out pardons to criminal cronies, etc.
 
MedicalCorpse said:
....What next, digging around with a private investigator to post my Social Security number and home address here? Is this how an officer is supposed to act? Does this exemplify integrity?...

Are you going to write about military medicine's double secret probation system in your book?
 
trinityalumnus said:
Retracted with apology as unprofessional and admittedly inappropriate. I was pissed.

Don't post while steaming. My bad.

Thanks. Apology accepted.

Congrats on getting into medical school.

I somehow think that, five years from now (after internship), you may
read my words in a different light than you can now.

Peace,

--
Just Rob Jones, M.D.
 
IgD said:
Are you going to write about military medicine's double secret probation system in your book?

I could comment, but it would end up in my super permanent record, so
I'd better not.

D'oh! Too late. Drat. Er (tap tap), I mean, (ahem) Drat, sir.


--

R

"Repeat after me: There's no such thing as Echelon..."
 
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