Realistically, What Are the Chances?

[NJ98]

Asking for a friend, heres the application very briefly

uGPA: 3.5
sGPA: 3.58
MCAT: 526

Graduated in 4.5 years instead of 4
- 250 shadowing hours
- 400+ clinical volunteering
- 100 non-clinical volunteering
- scribe for almost 1 year
- 1 semester of research (no publications or poster)

He is very passionate in outdoor work like rock climbing, has been creating "boy scout-like" camps on campus for underserved children to learn basic skills like rope-tying, how to start a fire, etc. for about 2 years.

Wants to try and apply for some T20-T25 schools, what are his chances realistically?

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[PA_dud3]

Any upward trend in GPA?

 

[NJ98]

How is that mcat gpa discrepancy possible

He was super depressed and had to take a year off of school (non-academic withdrawal) in junior year. The low GPA is from 3 stains on his transcript: got an F in intro chem lab course because he sent his finished lab to a friend who copied it and got both of them in trouble. And A D+ in calculus fresh year, C+ in intro Bio 1 freshman year, D+ in biostats. grinded for MCAT after getting his mental health back

 

[Osminog]

got an F in intro chem lab course because i sent my finished lab to a friend who copied it and got us both in trouble.

Did this result in an IA?

 

[PapaGuava]

Thread moved to WAMC subsection.

 

[candbgirl]

So did he get an IA?

 

[NJ98]

Did this result in an IA?

On his transcript it just shows an F for the course. He retook it and got a B

 

[candbgirl]

That’s his MCAT breakdown not his AMCAS GPA grid.,

 

[NJ98]

So did he get an IA?

Transcript shows F as the grade, nothing else

 

[candbgirl]

Transcript shows F as the grade, nothing else

But it was considered an IA? He better check because it’s probably reportable as an IA.

 

[NJ98]

But it was considered an IA? He better check because it’s probably reportable as an IA.

What is an IA? How can he check that?

 

[Osminog]

What is an IA? How can he check that?

Institutional action.

Did the professor report the incident to a disciplinary board? Was there formal action taken by the institution against the student (including but not limited to a letter or email sent to the student by the administration)? Does the university have a record of the incident on file?

 

[NJ98]

Institutional action.

Did the professor report the incident to a disciplinary board? Was there formal action taken by the institution against the student (including but not limited to a letter or email sent to the student by the administration)? Does the university have a record of the incident on file?

dont think there is any record on file. No emails either.

 

[Bonne Nuit]

dont think there is any record on file. No emails either.

That seems highly unlikely since adverse action was taken against your friend (an F in the class). The school may not choose to report it if asked, but it seems highly implausible that there's not some written record somewhere.

The friend needs to check directly with whatever office keeps records of institutional actions/student discipline to see what information they have on him.

How is your friend planning on honestly explaining the F when it comes up in interviews or secondaries?

 

[Faha]

Where is his state of residency ?

 

[NJ98]

Where is his state of residency ?

Texas

 

[NJ98]

That seems highly unlikely since adverse action was taken against your friend (an F in the class). The school may not choose to report it if asked, but it seems highly implausible that there's not some written record somewhere.

The friend needs to check directly with whatever office keeps records of institutional actions/student discipline to see what information they have on him.

How is your friend planning on honestly explaining the F when it comes up in interviews or secondaries?

No idea. Was hoping to get some advice on here

 

[NJ98]

Where is his state of residency ?

Texas

 

[Faha]

He should apply to all his Texas schools and should receive several interviews. His GPA is below the 10th percentile for may top 25 schools but he could try
Washington University, Rochester, Case Western, Pittsburgh.

 

[NJ98]

He should apply to all his Texas schools and should receive several interviews. His GPA is below the 10th percentile for may top 25 schools but he could try
Washington University, Rochester, Case Western, Pittsburgh.

Do you think his MCAT might give him a chance at places like Duke?

 

[NJ98]

Any upward trend in GPA?

yes. All his semesters after his medical withdrawal have been all A's.

 

[NJ98]

He should apply to all his Texas schools and should receive several interviews. His GPA is below the 10th percentile for may top 25 schools but he could try
Washington University, Rochester, Case Western, Pittsburgh.

Also, why did you pick these schools in particular?

 

[Faha]

Also, why did you pick these schools in particular?

Washington University loves high MCAT scores. The others have lower 10th percentiles for GPA and/or interview relatively high number of their applicants who complete secondaries (Case Western offers interviews to 30% of applicants who complete secondaries).

 

[NJ98]

Washington University loves high MCAT scores. The others have lower 10th percentiles for GPA and/or interview relatively high number of their applicants who complete secondaries (Case Western offers interviews to 30% of applicants who complete secondaries).

Thanks! Where did you get this information on statistics? I'd love to look into it.

 

[bluepeony]

Msar

Thanks! Where did you get this information on statistics? I'd love to look into it.

 

[NJ98]

Msar

Not going to go through all the colleges here, but UCSF also reports a 3.55 for their 10th percentile GPA for all accepted applicants and also out of state. Should i pay more attention to that?

 

[Goro]

Do you think his MCAT might give him a chance at places like Duke?

Yes

 

[Faha]

Not going to go through all the colleges here, but UCSF also reports a 3.55 for their 10th percentile GPA for all accepted applicants and also out of state. Should i pay more attention to that?

MSAR shows a 10th percentile of 3.66 for UCSF non residents with only 4 matriculating with a cGPA less than that.

 

[Bonne Nuit]

No idea. Was hoping to get some advice on here

How your friend explains the failed lab course due to his academic dishonesty (or does he deny culpability?) is beyond my expertise, so we probably need to hear from admissions committee members for their suggestions.

He can't lie about it, even if the school isn't reporting an IA (and, again, he needs to check directly with whoever handles student discipline to see what they've got on him). But I have no idea how to talk about it in a way that wouldn't be an auto-reject for a history of academic dishonesty. Hopefully someone else here can weigh in.

 

[NJ98]

How your friend explains the failed lab course due to his academic dishonesty (or does he deny culpability?) is beyond my expertise, so we probably need to hear from admissions committee members for their suggestions.

He can't lie about it, even if the school isn't reporting an IA (and, again, he needs to check directly with whoever handles student discipline to see what they've got on him). But I have no idea how to talk about it in a way that wouldn't be an auto-reject for a history of academic dishonesty. Hopefully someone else here can weigh in.

Sure hope they don't have anything. I know this is a shady question, but if the school doesn't report it, how will medical schools know if he's lying or not?

 

[NJ98]

MSAR shows a 10th percentile of 3.66 for UCSF non residents with only 4 matriculating with a cGPA less than that.

His cGPA is a 3.7 His sGPA is a 3.6