really? 5% asians with 3.8+/36+ dont get into med school each year?

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But isn't the eternal language of the violin or piano good enough?

lol

 

[flatearth22]

My PCP is Asian, went to UTSW, and is a hilarious guy that provides good care.

I'm sure that somewhere in the world there are decent Asian doctors. 🙄

inb4 "Asia"

 

[Mithril]

Pretty sure that was the joke, genius.

 

[NickNaylor]

inb4 "Asia"

 

[ranson]

I really doubt race is anything more then a coincidence here. We are all awhere that if any race is going to get the short end of the stick it is going to be Blacks and Hispanics. We even came up with a system to compensate for that: URM status and URM friendly schools. Honestly I have never met an Asian applicant that did not get into med school on the first or second try but I do know one Hispanic guy who is having trouble but I think it has to do with his accent and trouble with English, more then his race but you never know.

lol, post of year for being so misguided


IDK what the TC is trying to prove when the the percentage for acceptance is lower for everyone with those same stats.

 

[flatearth22]

I really doubt race is anything more then a coincidence here. We are all awhere that if any race is going to get the short end of the stick it is going to be Blacks and Hispanics. We even came up with a system to compensate for that: URM status and URM friendly schools. Honestly I have never met an Asian applicant that did not get into med school on the first or second try but I do know one Hispanic guy who is having trouble but I think it has to do with his accent and trouble with English, more then his race but you never know.

Actually, Hispanics have the highest overall acceptance rate (48.1%) followed by Whites (47.6%), then Asians (44.6%) and then Blacks (40.0%)

https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/app...mcat-gpa-grid-by-selected-race-ethnicity.html

But who needs facts, right? 🙄

 

[kasho11]

But isn't the eternal language of the violin or piano good enough?

You win the thread

 

[235788]

You win the thread

10 months too late chief.

 

[Morsetlis]

https://www.aamc.org/download/157598/data/table25-a-mcatgpa-grid-asian-0810.pdf.pdf

LURED! actually happen to be one of them 😳 made a new acc just to hide my shame

Hi five brah. Hi five.

 

[Morsetlis]

Great. Now, it's racial stereotypes time. This is just what SDN needs.

But Asian people don't beat up people who stereotype them. No negative feedback, you see.

 

[Marge]

https://www.aamc.org/download/157598/data/table25-a-mcatgpa-grid-asian-0810.pdf.pdf

LURED! actually happen to be one of them 😳 made a new acc just to hide my shame

This has already been bumped so I don't mind adding to the "discussion."


A Black applicant with a 3.0/24 has a 53.8% chance of being accepted.
An Asian applicant with a 3.0/24 has an 5.2% chance of benig accepted


A Black applicant with a 3.6/24 has an 81.7% chance of being accepted.
An Asian applicant with a 3.6/24 has an 18.2% chance of being accepted.


These are facts. Interpret them as you will.

 

[Knocked Up]

This has already been bumped so I don't mind adding to the "discussion."


A Black applicant with a 3.0/24 has a 53.8% chance of being accepted.
An Asian applicant with a 3.0/24 has an 5.2% chance of benig accepted


A Black applicant with a 3.6/24 has an 81.7% chance of being accepted.
An Asian applicant with a 3.6/24 has an 18.2% chance of being accepted.


These are facts. Interpret them as you will.

You do realize that most of these black applicants end up at HBC and don't end up passing the boards anyways, right? Even if they do most to all will end up in primary care, that's the whole point of affirmative action (primary care in underrepresented areas). Take a look at HBC match lists.

URMs at top 50 medical schools are usually deserve their seats.

 

[235788]

This has already been bumped so I don't mind adding to the "discussion."


A Black applicant with a 3.0/24 has a 53.8% chance of being accepted.
An Asian applicant with a 3.0/24 has an 5.2% chance of benig accepted


A Black applicant with a 3.6/24 has an 81.7% chance of being accepted.
An Asian applicant with a 3.6/24 has an 18.2% chance of being accepted.


These are facts. Interpret them as you will.

If white males can be dethroned from medicine, why can't admissions set road blocks to prevent any sort of racial/sex monopoly in the future? I doubt you'd even be considering medicine if we were still in power to the extent we were. Be thankful things like AA exist.

 

[Marge]

If white males can be dethroned from medicine, why can't admissions set road blocks to prevent any sort of racial/sex monopoly in the future? I doubt you'd even be considering medicine if we were still in power to the extent we were. Be thankful things like AA exist.

I've been treated by Asian doctors before. It was soo hard for us to connect since we're from such different backgrounds. They practiced medicine differently because they were sooo unfamiliar with people like me. I kept important changes in my health secret from them because I couldn't trust someone who doesn't look like me. Not ...

 

[235788]

I've been treated by Asian doctors before. It was soo hard for us to connect since we're from such different backgrounds. They practiced medicine differently because they were sooo unfamiliar with people like me. I kept important changes in my health secret from them because I couldn't trust someone who doesn't look like me. Not ...

Your viewpoints now will likely change with time. I used to be anti-aa, but now support it. If you look at history, it used to be all white males and they really didn't give two craps about womans health or womans health research hence why diversity is good. You realistically need a good mix of everyone to avoid an individual race/sex/whatever else from being excluded from the bigger picture and screwed out of care. Right now a major problem is rural medicine. I'm not from some podunk town in the middle of no where and because of this I really would rather not work in one. Thus if everyone (or most) were like me, these people would get screwed.


Asians should be pointing the finger at their culture, not AA. What makes so many asians want to become Doctors? Is it parents? a doctor gene? What is it? Well I cant say, but whatever it is, its screwing them. When you apply to medical school (in america) you really aren't competing against the general applicant pool (while AA is around), but rather people who are like you. I'm competing mainly against other white male, Minorities sort of compete within their race, and so on. However, this can only go for far and also depends on the applicant pool (lack something-hispanics/blacks/nativeamericans, others gain indians/asian). I would predict if a lot more "qualified" black/hispanic/nativeamerican applicants applied asians/indians would start really getting screwed and lawsuits would spring up like crazy. It will be interesting to see how things are in 10-15 years.

 

[FutureCTDoc]

That 5% were rejected wouldn't surprise me, people could have applied late, to too few schools or to only a handful of top schools.

 

[235788]

That 5% were rejected wouldn't surprise me, people could have applied late, to too few schools or to only a handful of top schools.

Well I can tell that you only read the thread title

 

[Marge]

Your viewpoints now will likely change with time. I used to be anti-aa, but now support it.


The last thing we need are a ton of asians flooding into medical school and wanting to match orthopedic surgery and no regard for primary care because there isn't any money in it (here comes to stereotypes again!) and no regard for charity.


If you look at history, when it used to be all white males they really didn't give two craps about womans health or womans health research. So you realistically need a good mix of everyone to avoid an individual race/sex/whatever else from being excluded from the bigger picture and screwed out of care.



Right now a major problem is rural medicine. I'm not from some podunk town in the middle of no where and because of this I really would rather not work in one. Thus if everyone (or most) were like me, these people would get screwed.

😕 I am for AA based on SES and extenuating circumstances, and perhaps, to a very limited extent, race. I also think there should perhaps be a few "HACs" or something like that to cater to the "mediocre" (ya know, 3.55/32) Asians, as well as other applicants, too, of course.

Oh, and nobody has been able to present evidence showing people from rural areas tend to practice in rural areas, or that Black physicians tend to practice in predominantly Black communities. Even LizzyM couldn't procure that data, if I remember correctly. So the "They're more likely to serve people like them" argument, at this point, has not been verified.

 

[tenndoc]

I think it's possible that 49 Asians across the entire United States didn't get accepted.

(1) Could be community correge graduates
(2) racked extracurriculars
(3) Did not speak a rick of Engrish/couldn't write coherentry in Engrish
(4) Poor interviewing skirrs

I'm guessing it was #3

fixed it for you 😎

 

[LizzyM]

😕 I am for AA based on SES and extenuating circumstances, and perhaps, to a very limited extent, race. I also think there should perhaps be a few "HACs" or something like that to cater to the "mediocre" (ya know, 3.55/32) Asians, as well as other applicants, too, of course.

Oh, and nobody has been able to present evidence showing people from rural areas tend to practice in rural areas, or that Black physicians tend to practice in predominantly Black communities. Even LizzyM couldn't procure that data, if I remember correctly. So the "They're more likely to serve people like them" argument, at this point, has not been verified.

I just don't have the time to chase this down but I did find this:
http://www.ruralmedicaleducation.org/model/physicians_can_choose_rural.htm

"Selecting students with the right characteristics may be most of what is needed, as Rabinowitz demonstrated showing that 1% of Pennsylvania's medical students, selected for rural background and FP interest, now makes up 27% of the rural family physicians in the state. In his program 78% of the reason for rural practice is known at matriculation (rural background and FP interest). "
"The reason that we still have NHSC and J-1 programs (and Title VII) is that we fail to admit the right students who will choose primary care and underserved areas."

 

[octupus]

Your viewpoints now will likely change with time. I used to be anti-aa, but now support it. If you look at history, it used to be all white males and they really didn't give two craps about womans health or womans health research hence why diversity is good. You realistically need a good mix of everyone to avoid an individual race/sex/whatever else from being excluded from the bigger picture and screwed out of care. Right now a major problem is rural medicine. I'm not from some podunk town in the middle of no where and because of this I really would rather not work in one. Thus if everyone (or most) were like me, these people would get screwed.


Asians should be pointing the finger at their culture, not AA. What makes so many asians want to become Doctors? Is it parents? a doctor gene? What is it? Well I cant say, but whatever it is, its screwing them. When you apply to medical school (in america) you really aren't competing against the general applicant pool (while AA is around), but rather people who are like you. I'm competing mainly against other white male, Minorities sort of compete within their race, and so on. However, this can only go for far and also depends on the applicant pool (lack something-hispanics/blacks/nativeamericans, others gain indians/asian). I would predict if a lot more "qualified" black/hispanic/nativeamerican applicants applied asians/indians would start really getting screwed and lawsuits would spring up like crazy. It will be interesting to see how things are in 10-15 years.

pre-meds freshman year, quite diverse
pre-meds senior year, not so much (frikking o-chem and MCAT weeding everyone out!)

Why should Asians point fingers at their own culture though? It might be their parents, but it might also be because they didn't end up doing poorly in a few science courses and forced to give up being pre-med like most people do? With that said, I'm still for aa, but maybe they should factor in socioeconomic status more so than just race.

With all these Egyptians trying to be African these days... who knows how things will look in 10 years time.

 

[theseeker4]

pre-meds freshman year, quite diverse
pre-meds senior year, not so much (frikking o-chem and MCAT weeding everyone out!)

Why should Asians point fingers at their own culture though? It might be their parents, but it might also be because they didn't end up doing poorly in a few science courses and forced to give up being pre-med like most people do? With that said, I'm still for aa, but maybe they should factor in socioeconomic status more so than just race.

With all these Egyptians trying to be African these days... who knows how things will look in 10 years time.

I LOL'd

 

[Marge]

I just don't have the time to chase this down but I did find this:
http://www.ruralmedicaleducation.org/model/physicians_can_choose_rural.htm

"Selecting students with the right characteristics may be most of what is needed, as Rabinowitz demonstrated showing that 1% of Pennsylvania's medical students, selected for rural background and FP interest, now makes up 27% of the rural family physicians in the state. In his program 78% of the reason for rural practice is known at matriculation (rural background and FP interest). "
"The reason that we still have NHSC and J-1 programs (and Title VII) is that we fail to admit the right students who will choose primary care and underserved areas."

Touche. Now we have a reason to give rural students a little boost. All that's left is a compelling reason for AA.

 

[235788]

pre-meds freshman year, quite diverse
pre-meds senior year, not so much (frikking o-chem and MCAT weeding everyone out!)

Why should Asians point fingers at their own culture though? It might be their parents, but it might also be because they didn't end up doing poorly in a few science courses and forced to give up being pre-med like most people do? With that said, I'm still for aa, but maybe they should factor in socioeconomic status more so than just race.

With all these Egyptians trying to be African these days... who knows how things will look in 10 years time.

very true. I don't think any urm's made it in my class, mainly the people you'd expect: Whites/asians/some indians.


The female pre-med population also got A LOT less attractive by junior year.

 

[Morsetlis]

There are no mediocre Asians.

They have all committed seppuku.

 

[phltz]

I think it's possible that 49 Asians across the entire United States didn't get accepted.

(1) Could be community college graduates
(2) Lacked extracurriculars
(3) Did not speak a lick of Engrish/couldn't write coherently in Engrish
(4) Poor interviewing skills

I'm guessing it was #3

A few of them also probably had a disciplinary record, criminal record, or drug bust. A few of them probably had either a grating personality or no discernible personality. A few of them probably had an actively negative LOR. A few of them probably only applied to a few top schools. Some of them may have been international students lacking a green card, meaning there are only a few school that are options anyway.

It's not hard to imagine how some people may have own-goaled their application, despite some of their stats being high.

OP, I hope you figure out what went wrong and have better luck next year.