Really Bad Mcat First Time

[DCPlease!!!]

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Your scores are in the red zone for failing out of medical school and/or failing Boards. There is published data on this. No medical school is going to do you any favors by admitting you when you're at such a high risk.

But the matter is already settled. You're DOA at my school, and NO DO school, not even ICOM, WCU, ACOM, KYCOM, or the two AR schools will take you. Even they are not that desperate for warm bodies.

And to be frank, your immature attitude says to me that you don't belong in med school. I can't even recommend an SMP until you do some growing up.

You need to seriously chill out. The individual does not have an immature attitude and the negativity you are giving to that person I am sure is unwarranted. The persons knew he or she ****ed yo. Just leave it there.

 

[NicMouse64]

You need to seriously chill out. The individual does not have an immature attitude and the negativity you are giving to that person I am sure is unwarranted. The persons knew he or she ****ed yo. Just leave it there.

Goro is in the business of keeping people from making bad decisions. Why do you feel the need to tear down the premed expert on this site? You don't like the truth either?

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

You need to seriously chill out. The individual does not have an immature attitude and the negativity you are giving to that person I am sure is unwarranted. The persons knew he or she ****ed yo. Just leave it there.

Swing and a miss

 

[candbgirl]

I was looking through some of the accounts that we posting on my thread and some of you are faculty members! so I value what you say very much and appreciate your input.
I am going to be locked up these next two months studying day and night.

Wish me luck.

Since this thread was bumped anyway, OP how did the retake go?

 

[DCPlease!!!]

Goro is in the business of keeping people from making bad decisions. Why do you feel the need to tear down the premed expert on this site? You don't like the truth either?

All that person said was that he or she got a low mcat grade and yall are so fast to downgrade that person. It is absolutely amazing. Don't get too discouraged about your life and your career. Keep trying and you will be succesfull.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Keep trying and you will be succesfull.

Except that is literally the opposite of the truth. We give realistic advice, as harsh as that may be. Taking a life altering, career defining exam and then choosing to have that test graded when you know that you guessed on most answers is most definitely immature.

It is remarkable that you guys think everyone is immature when in reality you guys are the one that is immature.

If you think everyone else is the problem then maybe it's time for some serious self reflection....

 

[DCPlease!!!]

If we are going to post stuff on this forum. Let's keep it civilized and respectful. Otherwise, this forum should not even exist. No body deserves to be called immature or have their dreams crushed. Everyone works hard to achieve their goals.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Calling that person immature is disrespecful especially when that person clearly isn't. That person wasn't cursing at you, being rude, or obnoxious like a little kid.

There are multiple ways to be immature.

Now, guessing on every problem doesn't make a person immature. It just means that that individual had a hard time on that day at that time when taking the exam. He might have underestimated his or her potential, he might of not realized that the MCAT on that day was going to be that hard. He or she might not have prepared right. All of these need to be taken into account. And you guys didn't even bother to acknolwedge the fact and jumped to the bull **** conclusion that he was an immature person. You didn't even say he was BEING IMMATURE. YOU CALLED his character immature and that is not ok.

I'm going to repeat it, slowly this time, so you get it as you clearly seem to have a hard time with normal thought processes. Taking a career defining and life altering exam, knowing you have to do well on it, on a day when you are so sick that you can't even keep your eyes open and then clicking the box "score this test" while fully knowing that you guessed on almost every question, is 100% an immature decision.

Otherwise, this forum should not even exist. No body deserves to be called immature or have their dreams crushed. Everyone works hard to achieve their goals.

This just in, dreams get crushed. Deal with it. This isn't some fantasy land where things happen just because we want it really bad. If you don't want to be called immature then don't be immature. I used to say the same thing to my little brother. It's that simple. Welcome to real life.

 

[Osminog]

I don't think everyone else is the problem. I think SPECIFICALLY you, the other guy, and goroio is the problem. Don't start putting words in my mouth. You are not that entitled yet. Second of all, I don't have a problem with you giving your so called harsh advice. However, I do have a problem with you guys being disrespectful. There is a fine line between giving advice and being straight up disrespectful. Calling that person immature is disrespecful especially when that person clearly isn't. That person wasn't cursing at you, being rude, or obnoxious like a little kid. He simply wanted to know his alternatives. Now, guessing on every problem doesn't make a person immature. It just means that that individual had a hard time on that day at that time when taking the exam. He might have underestimated his or her potential, he might of not realized that the MCAT on that day was going to be that hard. He or she might not have prepared right. All of these need to be taken into account. And you guys didn't even bother to acknolwedge the fact and jumped to the bull **** conclusion that he was an immature person. You didn't even say he was BEING IMMATURE. YOU CALLED his character immature and that is not ok.

He didn't adequately prepare for the MCAT, got low 490s on his FLs untimed, didn't cancel his test appointment, and didn't void after blindly guessing on a majority of the questions. Now, with his 488 (14th percentile) score, he is telling us that he is dead-set on applying to US MD programs and isn't at all interested in the DO option.

It's like a homeless beggar who gambles away a million-dollar fortune and then tells you about the Lamborghini he plans on purchasing next week. And when you remind him that he's dead broke, he informs you that he wouldn't be willing to settle for a Maserati or a Porsche.

Perhaps "immature" is the wrong word to describe this sort of behavior. Would "completely disconnected from reality" be more appropriate?

 

[NicMouse64]

Not according to me. I don't care. Expert my ass. If this so called Goro is really an expert than he should not call somebody immature especially when that person didn't even say anything that him or her immature. All that person said was that he or she got a low mcat grade and yall are so fast to downgrade that person. It is absolutely amazing. You guys, including this "expert" can have just left at you know what you didn't do so well. Don't get too discouraged about your life and your career. Keep trying and you will be succesfull. But no we are going to keep on going and take it a step further by calling that person immature. But again it isn't surprising that something like that would be said coming out of someone who felt like I was going to waste energy and take the time to swing at another grown up. It is remarkable that you guys think everyone is immature when in reality you guys are the one that is immature.

No one is arguing they are less of a person. Their value is not attached to their admission to medical school. Nor is yours. Rather Goro was stating that due to poor performance on a standardized test they have an extremely low probability of gaining admission to medical school (less than 1%). Although it is not good news for someone whose dream it was to be a doctor, it might be the wake up call they need to either pursue another career or work harder to get a better score. Do you see how many posts Goro has? Also I love my career, and being a medical student is the most humbling thing I have done yet in my life.

 

[Goro]

Appreciate the kind words guys, but this pinging, really loud:

As a teaching moment, what struck me the most about the OP, and why I wrote what I wrote is highlighted in red.

So I took the mcat my first time around and I got like a 472. I had the flu on the day of the exam and took the exam just for the hell of it. I guessed for most questions and I decided to score it.

 

[Lawpy]

You need to seriously chill out. The individual does not have an immature attitude and the negativity you are giving to that person I am sure is unwarranted. The persons knew he or she ****ed yo. Just leave it there.

All that person said was that he or she got a low mcat grade and yall are so fast to downgrade that person. It is absolutely amazing. Don't get too discouraged about your life and your career. Keep trying and you will be succesfull.

If we are going to post stuff on this forum. Let's keep it civilized and respectful. Otherwise, this forum should not even exist. No body deserves to be called immature or have their dreams crushed. Everyone works hard to achieve their goals.

I have no idea what is the point of your posts besides attacking a respected SDNer and having a naïve view on how reality works. @Goro delivers advice in a blunt manner. Sorry but sometimes being direct is important to get the message across strongly, especially if premeds are convinced in continuing to pursue bad decisions.

 

[Goro]

I have no idea what is the point of your posts besides attacking a respected SDNer and having a naïve view on how reality works. @Goro delivers advice in a blunt manner. Sorry but sometimes being direct is important to get the message across strongly, especially if premeds are convinced in continuing to pursue bad decisions.

Probably a banned troll sock puppet or respawn. Just report him.

 

[Walter Raleigh]

Yeah i wanted to be optimistic and think of a way where OP could salvage his application. I couldn't think of any and was hoping expert opinions could suggest a way.

Looks like Plan B is the way to go.

The fact that the applicant's international kills the OP's chances dead. As an American applicant, he'd have an uphill road, but a shot.

 

[Neuro244]

Thank you for the support thewarcrow, it is greatly appreciated. I took some time to reflect on what happened and have finally reached a point where I have to accept the fact that I must retake the MCAT, no question about it. I will be applying to pharmacy school as a backup option in case my 2nd attempt on the MCAT doesn't yield the results I want/desire.

Having said that, let's say hypothetically I tackle my weak areas, work on my weaknesses/timing from day one and score a 500 on the second MCAT. Do you think it would be possible to get into ANY MD program (most definitely low tier program)? I know its average and minimum requirements are increasing yearly, but the rest of my application is rock solid. I would think that the admissions committee would see that you took the time to properly prepare for the 2nd attempt rather than rushing into another one like most students. On top of that, a 12 point jump shows you were able to bounce back and work on weak areas. However, a 500 is still average, which is why I'm wondering if the rest of my app is strong, would it be a possibility? If not, what about applying to DO programs with a 500 MCAT?

Thank you for your support, and please no negative comments. Thanks.

 

[NicMouse64]

Thank you for the support thewarcrow, it is greatly appreciated. I took some time to reflect on what happened and have finally reached a point where I have to accept the fact that I must retake the MCAT, no question about it. I will be applying to pharmacy school as a backup option in case my 2nd attempt on the MCAT doesn't yield the results I want/desire.

Having said that, let's say hypothetically I tackle my weak areas, work on my weaknesses/timing from day one and score a 500 on the second MCAT. Do you think it would be possible to get into ANY MD program (most definitely low tier program)? I know its average and minimum requirements are increasing yearly, but the rest of my application is rock solid. I would think that the admissions committee would see that you took the time to properly prepare for the 2nd attempt rather than rushing into another one like most students. On top of that, a 12 point jump shows you were able to bounce back and work on weak areas. However, a 500 is still average, which is why I'm wondering if the rest of my app is strong, would it be a possibility? If not, what about applying to DO programs with a 500 MCAT?

Thank you for your support, and please no negative comments. Thanks.

I had a 515 MCAT first time, tons of great ECs, a 3.5 GPA, and barely secured an acceptance at the lowest tier MD school in the country. Your chances are excessively low. Also take a look at the job market for pharmacy. It sucks.

 

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Thank you for the support thewarcrow, it is greatly appreciated. I took some time to reflect on what happened and have finally reached a point where I have to accept the fact that I must retake the MCAT, no question about it. I will be applying to pharmacy school as a backup option in case my 2nd attempt on the MCAT doesn't yield the results I want/desire.

Having said that, let's say hypothetically I tackle my weak areas, work on my weaknesses/timing from day one and score a 500 on the second MCAT. Do you think it would be possible to get into ANY MD program (most definitely low tier program)? I know its average and minimum requirements are increasing yearly, but the rest of my application is rock solid. I would think that the admissions committee would see that you took the time to properly prepare for the 2nd attempt rather than rushing into another one like most students. On top of that, a 12 point jump shows you were able to bounce back and work on weak areas. However, a 500 is still average, which is why I'm wondering if the rest of my app is strong, would it be a possibility? If not, what about applying to DO programs with a 500 MCAT?

Thank you for your support, and please no negative comments. Thanks.

Why not podiatry?

 

[Neuro244]

Why not podiatry?

Funny you mentioned that option as I've been considering that as well. I don't know if I would enjoy surgery that much and if you do podiatry, then you're locked into a 3 year surgical residency from the get-go. In addition, as a podiatrist you'll have to do surgery at least as a minimum a few times a month I believe. If not, you'll be treating cases like wound care, toenail fungus, ingrown toenails, etc, and non-surgical procedures pay much less.

Also, I don't know that I would like touching people's feet all day and working on them. Not sure if this is something I can get over or not. Moreover, podiatry school will be on par with medical school in terms of rigor, and again you're set on surgery which I'm not sure I would like. If I'm going to endure a rigorous course load, I might as well go for the MD. Nevertheless, podiatrists do have a better work-life balance (depends if you do lots of surgical cases or not), but in terms of pay coming out and working over time, you will make less than a physician. Just some things to consider.

 

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Funny you mentioned that option as I've been considering that as well. I don't know if I would enjoy surgery that much and if you do podiatry, then you're locked into a 3 year surgical residency from the get-go. In addition, as a podiatrist you'll have to do surgery at least as a minimum a few times a month I believe. If not, you'll be treating cases like wound care, toenail fungus, ingrown toenails, etc, and non-surgical procedures pay much less.

Also, I don't know that I would like touching people's feet all day and working on them. Not sure if this is something I can get over or not. Moreover, podiatry school will be on par with medical school in terms of rigor, and again you're set on surgery which I'm not sure I would like. If I'm going to endure a rigorous course load, I might as well go for the MD. Nevertheless, podiatrists do have a better work-life balance (depends if you do lots of surgical cases or not), but in terms of pay coming out and working over time, you will make less than a physician. Just some things to consider.

Oh well yeah when youre comparing it to a physician. I meant as a back up instead of Pharmacy school lol

 

[Neuro244]

Oh well yeah when youre comparing it to a physician. I meant as a back up instead of Pharmacy school lol

Right lol, I know. I'm saying that I'm reluctant to pursue it for the reasons above. Money wise you can make more doing podiatry, but I don't have as much interest in it. If the schooling is comparable to med school, I may as well just either do med school or something much shorter like pharmacy. I'm worried about job prospects as well as hiring/wage freezes being implemented by these big pharma companies (Walgreens, CVS) though. I've looked at many other options and narrowed it down to this.

 

[Neuro244]

Don't want this to come across as a negative comment but it is probably going to take you another 3-5 years to get accepted to medical school. At that point, is the money really a factor? To answer your previous question, NO - a 500 MCAT will not do you any favors ESPECIALLY with a history of a 477. Additionally, the rest of your application is NOT "rock solid," you said you have ~3.0 gpa. It seems like you are not set on becoming an MD "I might as well just go for the MD," "May as well just either do med school..." I understand that English is not your first language but c'mon, these phrases suggest that you are not serious or realistic about becoming an MD. I would STRONGLY suggest another route. My advice - PA or Nurse Anesthetist. They are making 80-160 nowadays.

Best of luck.

I think you're mistaking me with the OP. None of what you just listed applies to me (English 2nd language, 477 MCAT). If you'd like to respond, please go back and read the thread so you know who you're actually talking about. Thanks

 

[Damson]

@efle @candbgirl @premed4747 @btuck @AnatomyGrey12 @Goro
The impression @AquaticSunrise13 's recent post gave me was that of a new new-ish sdn user. Checked out his profile to understand why he's got 555 posts, landed on this thread (he's not the OP), and I'm thinking things could've been handled so much better. According to him, he's got a ~3.8 GPA, did all his prereqs and has solid letters. That means he's done something right. His views on DOs vs MDs is a little off, but that doesn't mean he's immature. It means he's uninformed - something that we can change if we are patient.

He did poorly on the MCAT for the first time. It can be fixed. I agree with @thewarcow, the responses I'm seeing is all telling him how he won't get in, giving him a hard time, doom and gloom. (not everyone I tagged did this) We can be realistic and harsh but still respectful, tolerant, and optimistic. In his case especially where all he needs is a nice MCAT score. I'm just shaking my head thinking if ANY of these experienced users was willing to say "hey I've been down this road before, let me know how you studied for the first attempt. i'll give you pointers, you follow em, if it doesn't work out I'll refer you to another med student I know on here.", he'd be so much farther along by now. I know the dude's smart enough to crack it, but some people just need that extra push, encouragement, and guidance. Given that there are so many questionable premed advisors and test prep tutors out there, he and others like him need our help.

I think sdn will be a much more useful place if people treated each other with more optimism, dignity, and enthusiasm to help while keeping it real. I haven't frickin even taken the MCAT when he posted in this thread, and I've since graduated ug in 3y and got a DO spot. Imagine where Aquatic would be today if any one of you guys said eyy I gotchu message me. The net effect of reaching out to him would have multiplied over time; from the start, he might not have chosen to hire mcat tutors and also might not have scored low two more effing times.

We aren't obliged to help because it's our time and we busy. But if we choose to help, please make it count!

 

[candbgirl]

@efle @candbgirl @premed4747 @btuck @AnatomyGrey12 @Goro
The impression @AquaticSunrise13 's recent post gave me was that of a new new-ish sdn user. Checked out his profile to understand why he's got 555 posts, landed on this thread (he's not the OP), and I'm thinking things could've been handled so much better. According to him, he's got a ~3.8 GPA, did all his prereqs and has solid letters. That means he's done something right. His views on DOs vs MDs is a little off, but that doesn't mean he's immature. It means he's uninformed - something that we can change if we are patient.

He did poorly on the MCAT for the first time. It can be fixed. I agree with @thewarcow, the responses I'm seeing is all telling him how he won't get in, giving him a hard time, doom and gloom. (not everyone I tagged did this) We can be realistic and harsh but still respectful, tolerant, and optimistic. In his case especially where all he needs is a nice MCAT score. I'm just shaking my head thinking if ANY of these experienced users was willing to say "hey I've been down this road before, let me know how you studied for the first attempt. i'll give you pointers, you follow em, if it doesn't work out I'll refer you to another med student I know on here.", he'd be so much farther along by now. I know the dude's smart enough to crack it, but some people just need that extra push, encouragement, and guidance. Given that there are so many questionable premed advisors and test prep tutors out there, he and others like him need our help.

I think sdn will be a much more useful place if people treated each other with more optimism, dignity, and enthusiasm to help while keeping it real. I haven't frickin even taken the MCAT when he posted in this thread, and I've since graduated ug in 3y and got a DO spot. Imagine where Aquatic would be today if any one of you guys said eyy I gotchu message me. The net effect of reaching out to him would have multiplied over time; from the start, he might not have chosen to hire mcat tutors and also might not have scored low two more effing times.

We aren't obliged to help because it's our time and we busy. But if we choose to help, please make it count!

A good or at least an acceptable MCAT was what he needed in 2018. He has now reported that he has taken the MCAT 3 times. I did ask what his other scores are and didn’t get an answer. So we have no way of knowing if he’s done better, worse or stayed the same. We do know that ADCOMS,DO and MD, will see all of his scores and some might even average the scores like AMCAS recommends. As we all know there are no shortcuts and the process is brutal. After three MCAT attempts something has to change on his applications. I think people want to be helpful but there is only so much we can do for him. He’s in charge of changes not us!

 

[DCPlease!!!]

@Hazle i wished your post came up faster. I was against literally 5 people.

 

[unknownmedboi]

Soo... anyone get any updates on this? I just read the entire thread and am interested.