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Hello SDN members,
I needed help. I am an img reapplicant and applying for NRMP 2017.

Brief over view of my cv:

4 week elective
9 week research

Usmle step 1:236
step2ck 250
cs: first attempt

YOG:2014,GC
From India
applied to 150 IM programs

4 Us lors (2 research 2 from the elective)

7 Interviews in total -----> unmatched

What should I do differently or what should i ADD to increase my chances to match this time.
 
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Hello SDN members,
I needed help. I am an img reapplicant and applying for NRMP 2017.

Brief over view of my cv:

4 week elective
9 week research

Usmle step 1:236
step2ck 250
cs: first attempt

YOG:2014,GC

4 Us lors (2 research 2 from the elective)

7 Interviews in total -----> unmatched

What should I do differently or what should i ADD to increase my chances to match this time.

What field are you applying to? What school are you from? How many places did you apply to? Lots of questions here abd and it's hard to give any insight without a fuller picture...
 
Applying to IM
previously applied to 155 programs.
got ecfmg certified in February this year before match
 
ECFMG certification in Feb is very late (for last year's cycle). Why did it take this long? If it was because one of your USMLE steps was missing, that's the likely issue.

The things you could (perhaps) do to make your app better:
1. More US experience
2. Step 3 (although I don't know how valuable this would be)
 
Use any networks at your disposal, no matter how tenuous. If you know someone who knows someone associated with any program in any way, ask them to make a call on your behalf about 3-4 weeks after ERAS goes live.
 
@aProgDirector thank you for the feedback. The Ecfmg certification was delayed because of degree issues from the Med school .

I don't have an attempt in any steps .

@mcl to be honest I don't have many contacts but I m using every at my disposal .@ProfMD currernly doing observership and one externship . That's gonna build my usce I guess .
 
Graduation date of 2014 and
with those scores, you should have been matched.
the 7 interviews you got show that there's no problem with your CV.

it's definitely your interview.
you didn't impress them enough to rank you higher OR rank you at all.

Either you're too bland or your personality don't fit the program you applied for.
maybe you asked "safe" questions to the residents/ PD?
maybe you were too quiet and just sat there the whole time? i don't know.
definitely you didn't stand out to the 200 people they interviewed.

for 2017, you need to sit down with a resident of the program you're applying for and ask the personality of most people in that program.
doing an observership doesn't really help.. it's true.
gettting LORs from that doctor is the only advantage i see.

You can do volunteer work for now.
If your applying to some underserved areas in New York for example
knowing the population there is key.
 
@markrivers Thank you for the insightful and str8 forward answer. I didnt really screw up any interview. But i agree that i might not have anything in my talk that made me stand out.

Could you help as to how should I do better in that matter?
 
Wait... that isn't you in your picture... Dr. Stormborn.

I believe she officially goes by Dr. Stormborn, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Queen of Meereen, The Unburnt, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, The Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons

You wouldn't believe her white coat embroidery bill.
 
I believe she officially goes by Dr. Stormborn, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Queen of Meereen, The Unburnt, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, The Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons

You wouldn't believe her white coat embroidery bill.
With that many titles, you would think she was a nurse instead.
 
I would recommend some current US clinical experience.

You graduated in 2014 and not from US.

Also, Ecfmg cert was very late. Step 3 might would help but you have very good scores.

Also have someone else used to interviewing applicants go over your interviewing skills.
 
@J ROD thanks for replying and sorry to replying late.

Currently I am getting USCE and preparing for Step 3 but I am unsure if i would be able to apply with a step 3 score on my profile.
Any other advice you have for me?
 
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I believe she officially goes by Dr. Stormborn, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Queen of Meereen, The Unburnt, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, The Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons

You wouldn't believe her white coat embroidery bill.
I'm not sure if it's the source of her avatar, but I always think of the GoT/Portlandia mash-up. "I'm going to ask one more time, is it local?"
 
@J ROD thanks for replying and sorry to replying late.

Currently I am getting USCE and preparing for Step 3 but I am unsure if i would be able to apply with a step 3 score on my profile.
Any other advice you have for me?
Get recent US clinical experience for connections and because you will need to show it and have the LORs.
 
@J ROD thanks for your advice.
2 things i wanna ask: 1) does 3 US for and 1 LOR from my home country (INDIA) better
or I should upload 4 US LOR

2) Whats ur take on step 3. Would giving step 3 after september affect me in a way that i have less interviews?
I really don't wanna rush and as i don't have visa issues i didnt give it the first time.
 
@J ROD thanks for your advice.
2 things i wanna ask: 1) does 3 US for and 1 LOR from my home country (INDIA) better
or I should upload 4 US LOR

2) Whats ur take on step 3. Would giving step 3 after september affect me in a way that i have less interviews?
I really don't wanna rush and as i don't have visa issues i didnt give it the first time.
I would upload what I think are my best letters.

For Step 3, I would try my best to have the score back by early Nov then. So, you can update programs and then get late invites if you need them. It gives you a good reason to call programs and update them.

As long as you pass.............
 
@J ROD haha yeah i ll try my best to pass. Does score matter ? I mean i know its always good to get a nice score, but if i get a 205 will it affect my over-all application?
 
With that many titles, you would think she was a nurse instead.

That has to be the funniest thing I have heard or seen in a long while. Well done.
 
dany quote.jpg

I am a doctor, not a nurse though. Just to be clear.
 
...I didnt really screw up any interview. But i agree that i might not have anything in my talk that made me stand out...

If your expectation is to get a spot simply by not screwing up, you missed the point. They need to come out of the interview thinking you are a dynamic interesting individual who would be a good fit for their program, not just someone who didn't say anything really foolish. It is a common misconception that interviews are just a formality, but this is actually the most important part of the process if you make it that far. So practice and learn to sell yourself effectively.

If the best impression they come away with is "Meh, not terrible, he didn't screw up", you won't get the spot -- there's always someone else with similar stats who can use the interview effectively and take your spot.
 
@J ROD haha yeah i ll try my best to pass. Does score matter ? I mean i know its always good to get a nice score, but if i get a 205 will it affect my over-all application?
Main thing is to pass. Once you get to residency, all you need is a pass. For apps though, I would do the best I can since you are still on the application process.
 
If your expectation is to get a spot simply by not screwing up, you missed the point. They need to come out of the interview thinking you are a dynamic interesting individual who would be a good fit for their program, not just someone who didn't say anything really foolish. It is a common misconception that interviews are just a formality, but this is actually the most important part of the process if you make it that far. So practice and learn to sell yourself effectively.

If the best impression they come away with is "Meh, not terrible, he didn't screw up", you won't get the spot -- there's always someone else with similar stats who can use the interview effectively and take your spot.

take this with a grain of salt,
my PD said to us when we were doing the interview for the 2016 match ( every applicant interviews with a resident) to take as much notes as possible with the applicant.
THIS is more of the informal IV, where i give you the tour to all the hospitals we're affiliated with, take you to the social gathering/ dinner and answer your questions about the program.
main criterion was, is he/she going to be a "fit" to our program.

The interview is the final stage, and everyone is technically back to zero..( your step 1 scores don't really mean a lot anymore)
Then the PD and other faculty will put you in a category of either a YES ,NO or Maybe.

Our program also schedule the people WE like first.
So those who got the November- December schedules, are like the " most likely to match, unless they mess up the interview process.
I got my interview in this program late NOV.

your interview starts the moment you interact with any of the staff, whether its a phone call to/from the PD's secretary..
it's funny how He asks the people around the office for their inputs

You really, really need to stand out!
We have 6 PGY1 positions.
2,900 applied 65 were given interviews
out of the 65 i believe the PD only ranked 25
and 2016 match, we only have to go down as far as the 11th ( rank order list).

Good luck in the match!
 
@J ROD haha yeah i ll try my best to pass. Does score matter ? I mean i know its always good to get a nice score, but if i get a 205 will it affect my over-all application?

Yes, that's sloppy. Don't report that score if you get it.


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@Law2Doc Thank you so much for the advice. I totally agree with you. I am currently finding that spark which gets me going.
Do you have any reference which i should refer to excel my interviews. Any piece of advice on how to perform well on the interviews from your side would be highly appreciated.
 
@markrivers wow what a stat you have at ur program just raining 25. But hey its UCLA even if they rank 6, still they won't go unmatched 😉.

Thanks thou for the advice man!!
 
@Animalcules so we have an option to send the score? so if i screw up , I can opt out of sending my scores? and they won't know about my step 3?
 
@Law2Doc Ok sir consider it done. Appreciate all your advice.
Also what is ur take on Step 3? does having it before september 15 fetch me more Interviews ? I don't have visa issues.
 
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