Reapplying - Caribbean? Europe? DO?

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I'm about to reapply to medical school for the second time (meaning this will be my third application cycle.) So far, I've applied to a wide range of US allopathic schools, but I realize I might need to broaden the pool - I don't want to be rejected again.

I know there are various threads about other options for med school, but does anybody have perspectives on how those options compare to one another? What are the pros/cons for schools in the Caribbean, Europe (specifically England and Ireland), and DO schools? Are they actually "easier" to get into? How does the application process compare? How do they translate to residency prospects?

Any advice is much appreciated. I'm definitely reapplying to my state school and various private MD schools, but need to include some back-up options this time around.
 
Here is what I think.
I'm an MD (fellow in medicine) who went to a well known US school.
If you look around at the hospital where I'm doing fellowship, you pretty much can't find a Caribbean MD. I'm not saying there are none, but there are very few. You can find some foreign medical grads, but mostly foreign people (i.e. born and trained in India, etc.) or a few Europeans. There are quite a few DO's (US students/citizens of course). Going to a DO school does make it somewhat harder to get residency in an allopathic (MD-run) hospital, but depending on the field you want to pursue and the hospital, it can be done. Also, DO's have their own hospitals and their own residency programs that they run, so you could choose to do residency at one of those (or at least have that as a backup). The US MD schools and DO schools have increased their enrollments the past few years, which has (and will) probably make it harder for US citizens who went to school in the Caribbean or Europe to get a spot in a US residency.

I think that it is worthwhile to consider all reasonable options at this point. That might include considering other health care careers (physical therapist, PA, MPH/health policyt, etc.) as well as considering a DO school, or one of the better Caribbean schools, or an Irish or UK med school.

I do think that a lot of the DO schools put not as much stock in the MCAT or having a really high GPA, but they do tend to emphasize clinical experience. That means you should try to make sure that your volunteer hours and physician shadowing are up to snuff if you want to apply there. Also, schools do not want to be someone's "backup" so you should be able to state good reasons for wanting to go there. I think that the DO schools vary in terms of their quality, maybe more so than the US MD schools. I've worked with some interns from one of the DO schools, Western U, and I was impressed with them. There are a number of other schools that seem like they have pretty good track records as well. One thing I think that you should try to determine (hopefully before you apply, or if not then if/when you get an interview) is how well do they do with placing their students in residency (DO and MD). They should be able to produce a list of where all the past couple years graduates have gone on to train (and in what fields). Ideally you would probably like to see that people didn't match into only a small number of hospitals, and didn't all match into primary care (nothing wrong with primary care, but if almost all students end up doing that then it suggests maybe some didn't have a choice of what field they ended up in). The school should be able to show you that they have strong affiliations with training hospital(s) - ideally you don't want to end up being farmed out (during 3rd and 4th year of school) to a whole bunch of different hospitals, that may be far away from the school. I think at schools like that the teaching tends to be haphazard, and the students' education suffers.

I think if you are considering DO then try to find some recent DO graduates to give you info on the strengths/weakness of their schools, just like you would do with MD schools.

What do you think were the problem(s) in your application that are keeping you out of med school? How do you think you can improve on those?
 
Currently I am a chiropractor and I opend my own practice 2 years ago. Although I love my job, I just want to take it further. I am going to apply to DO school. My GPA isn't the best around. I am taking a Kaplan MCAT prep course hoping to excel on it. I am also teaching Anatomy and Physiology at a community college. My questions are this.....

Do DO or schools frown upon chiros returning to school?

Does teaching Anatomy and physiology at my community college help my appliation?

If I were to re-take classes, would it do me any good to re-take the lower level biology course that I made a C in or will they look at the other hundreds of biology classes that are at the graduate level that I did well in?
 
Here is what I think.
I'm an MD (fellow in medicine) who went to a well known US school.
If you look around at the hospital where I'm doing fellowship, you pretty much can't find a Caribbean MD. I'm not saying there are none, but there are very few. You can find some foreign medical grads, but mostly foreign people (i.e. born and trained in India, etc.) or a few Europeans. There are quite a few DO's (US students/citizens of course). Going to a DO school does make it somewhat harder to get residency in an allopathic (MD-run) hospital, but depending on the field you want to pursue and the hospital, it can be done. Also, DO's have their own hospitals and their own residency programs that they run, so you could choose to do residency at one of those (or at least have that as a backup). The US MD schools and DO schools have increased their enrollments the past few years, which has (and will) probably make it harder for US citizens who went to school in the Caribbean or Europe to get a spot in a US residency.

I think that it is worthwhile to consider all reasonable options at this point. That might include considering other health care careers (physical therapist, PA, MPH/health policyt, etc.) as well as considering a DO school, or one of the better Caribbean schools, or an Irish or UK med school.

I do think that a lot of the DO schools put not as much stock in the MCAT or having a really high GPA, but they do tend to emphasize clinical experience. That means you should try to make sure that your volunteer hours and physician shadowing are up to snuff if you want to apply there. Also, schools do not want to be someone's "backup" so you should be able to state good reasons for wanting to go there. I think that the DO schools vary in terms of their quality, maybe more so than the US MD schools. I've worked with some interns from one of the DO schools, Western U, and I was impressed with them. There are a number of other schools that seem like they have pretty good track records as well. One thing I think that you should try to determine (hopefully before you apply, or if not then if/when you get an interview) is how well do they do with placing their students in residency (DO and MD). They should be able to produce a list of where all the past couple years graduates have gone on to train (and in what fields). Ideally you would probably like to see that people didn't match into only a small number of hospitals, and didn't all match into primary care (nothing wrong with primary care, but if almost all students end up doing that then it suggests maybe some didn't have a choice of what field they ended up in). The school should be able to show you that they have strong affiliations with training hospital(s) - ideally you don't want to end up being farmed out (during 3rd and 4th year of school) to a whole bunch of different hospitals, that may be far away from the school. I think at schools like that the teaching tends to be haphazard, and the students' education suffers.

I think if you are considering DO then try to find some recent DO graduates to give you info on the strengths/weakness of their schools, just like you would do with MD schools.

What do you think were the problem(s) in your application that are keeping you out of med school? How do you think you can improve on those?


What do you mean exactly by "US citizens of course" ...if there is a non US citizen DO who went to a DO school in the US, are they at a disadvantage and/or at the same level of a Caribbean grad when applying for residencies?
 
My GPA isn't the best around.
If you want, you'd probably get better advice about how to approach your application if you gave your Graduate GPA, and your Undergrad BCMP and Cumulative GPAs

Does teaching Anatomy and physiology at my community college help my appliation?
Can't hurt

If I were to re-take classes, would it do me any good to re-take the lower level biology course that I made a C in or will they look at the other hundreds of biology classes that are at the graduate level that I did well in?

Yes it would do you good to retake those classes. For whatever reason the med school admissions process is strongly biased towards undergraduate GPA. I'm not saying a good grad GPA isn't taken into consideration, but fixing the Ugrad courses is the first priority.
 
Non-US citizen (or green card holders) are at a huge disadvantage applying for US residencies (there are some that do not take them at all because they don't want to do the paperwork). Being a non-US citizen or green card holder is a huge disadvantage in the whole process. Hence the reason I waited to get my green card before applying to medical school.


What do you mean exactly by "US citizens of course" ...if there is a non US citizen DO who went to a DO school in the US, are they at a disadvantage and/or at the same level of a Caribbean grad when applying for residencies?
 
r.e. the above question:
I've never met a DO student or DO graduate/physician who was not a US citizen or permanent resident. I didn't think the DO schools took foreign students. You'd have to check.
 
There are very few med schools in general that take international students, but I remember that Vanderbilt does...
 
A few of the DO schools actually do take foreign students. But, this immediately narrows down your options significantly.

r.e. the above question:
I've never met a DO student or DO graduate/physician who was not a US citizen or permanent resident. I didn't think the DO schools took foreign students. You'd have to check.
 
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