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I am writing a paper on the pre-med experience and am interested in getting honest responses to question I have posed. Thank you very much for your help.
"Social justice"I guess it still kind of surprises me that community service and social justice mean so little to some people.
I like volunteering or community service, but only if it involves something that requires me to think. Mundane BS (read as: "typical premed") stuff, like taking BPs or dispensing lice shampoo at a free clinic isn't something I would do. If you're talking about firefighting or volunteer EMS (the latter is boring most of the time, but there's at least a chance of seeing something interesting), try and stop me from doing it, since I've been doing it for 10+ years.
I happen to like research and would continue to do it even if I were not trying to get into medical school.
The one thing I will not do is shadow. It is just ridiculous and kind of belittling for someone with my background to have to do that.
"Social justice"
That's just a PC way of saying: "No, you don't have to work hard. If you fail in life, it's not your fault, we'll catch you, give you a handout and then you can blame it on racism, bias, or some other reason beyond your own lack of drive, intelligence, or work ethic."
Thanks......It's good to be back.Hey welcome back!
I am writing a paper on the pre-med experience and am interested in getting honest responses to question I have posed. Thank you very much for your help.
"Social justice"
That's just a PC way of saying: "No, you don't have to work hard. If you fail in life, it's not your fault, we'll catch you, give you a handout and then you can blame it on racism, bias, or some other reason beyond your own lack of drive, intelligence, or work ethic."
I don't believe it exists, but I also don't believe it can exist in a society, at least not for very long. The stronger and more capable class(es) of people will eventually get tired of the poor, weak and stupid suckling their teat and shake them off like a dog shaking off an infestation of fleas. One can only hope that when that inevitably happens that there is minimal bloodshed.Social justice means equal rights, opportunities, protections, and obligations for all.... and you are kidding yourself if you think we live in a society where that exists.
Here in seattle it is illegal to stand in the same place, or sit or lay down on the sidewalk between the hours of 7am and 9pm. This specifically targets homeless people.
If you look homeless, you get harassed by the police.
-Here in seattle it is illegal to stand in the same place, or sit or lay down on the sidewalk between the hours of 7am and 9pm. This specifically targets homeless people. I could go run outside right now and sprawl out on the sidewalk of a busy street, and no one would say anything to me simply because I don't look homeless. If you look homeless, you get harassed by the police. I work out on the streets with homeless teenagers and this is something I see just about every night I'm out there. Also, there are shelters here in seattle that consider taking a shower a privilege. If one person in the shelter screws up, ALL people in the shelter lose this "privilege."
I wasn't even born yet! *goosesteps off in disgust*This is a good excuse to revive this saying:
DropkickMurphy: He let the Holocaust happen.
I agree. Why do we have to see them lying on the street, begging for money. They can make that money if we walk by with a pair of gloves, a garbage bag, and tell them to start cleaning up our city. I love the homeless guys that walk around collecting recyclable cans, and I respect them for working for their money.I think it's a great idea to run the homeless off from the streets....I don't see why you're throwing such a hissy fit over it. If it were up to me, I'd round them all up, scrub them, spray with delousing agents, let them sober up, issue them work clothes and put them to work doing something constructive with their time. Especially the young ones.....
True....I was going to actually suggest bumfights as a great way to put the homeless to work and entertain the masses at same time (I was watching American Dad on DVD earlier) but I figured that might offend the hippies amongst us.I love the homeless guys that walk around collecting recyclable cans, and I respect them for working for their money.
True....I was going to actually suggest bumfights as a great way to put the homeless to work and entertain the masses at same time (I was watching American Dad on DVD earlier) but I figured that might offend the hippies amongst us.
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As far as putting the homeless to work.. I would love to see you do that one. You can't get a job if you are homeless (not to mention most homeless people don't have id, ss card, birth certificate, etc). You can't get a home without a job.
not to mention most homeless people don't have id, ss card, birth certificate
Agreed, but if you expect them to be treated like the rest of us, they should be expected to conform to the same standards as the rest of us.As etf said, they are humans too, and they deserve to be treated like it.
Then to explain to me all the unemployed welfare recipients I've dealt with over the years.....normally (and admittedly anecdotally) they are fat, unkempt, breed like sewer rats, and bitch that society doesn't hand them out enough to maintain their coke/booze/cigarette/Twinkie and Ding-Dong/all of the preceding habit. I could also claim a predisposition to such behavior among those who are minorities, but that would be profiling and profiling's wrrrrrooooooong (also I deal with a lot of white trash in this area).Unemployed people don't just have money thrown at them. To receive welfare, you must have a job.
Oh yes.....and the decision to live BELOW SEA LEVEL in an area prone to HURRICANES had nothing to do with what happened to them. Let's not forget a lot of your "hard working" people were the same ones looting, pillaging and generally causing havoc after the disaster occured. You don't hear people in tornado prone areas bitching for weeks on TV when their city is completely flattened and dozens die. As a witness to the May 1999 outbreak in the OKC area, I can state the people in that area (and if you've ever been to rural OK, it's not exactly affluent) did not take it as a carte blanche to steal anything and everything that wasn't bolted down. They helped themselves, and they helped each other......maybe because most of them didn't have bull**** claims of racism to fall back upon.As for "bum fights"... I hope you never end up in a situation where you are in need of any social services, and believe me, I've worked with many many people are hard working and had something out of their control run their life into the ground - Katrina anyone?
Yes, but then people just tend to bounce from one support check to another and back again......that is if a state even has such rules (some don't)I NEVER understood the argument that welfare encourages people to be lazy or stay on welfare though. First of all, there is a time limit on welfare. In some programs such as wep in ny, many jobs ARE manual labor jobs.
I have never ever met a person who wanted to be on welfare.
And you're what? 20? 21?Honestly, when I was younger, I use to think social justice wasn't much of an issue in our society.
You're preaching to a single parent, just so you know.I completely understand having to work and go to school, I've worked two jobs since my senior year in high school just to support myself. I however, am not a single mother.
I think you missed the whole point of rounding them up and putting them to work, as DKM said. As for the home part, they can spend their money to fulfill their drug addiction instead of paying for rent; that's their decision. Give them the options for drug rehab, but if they want to spend it on whatever drugs, then that's their choice. As long as they are getting decent money from working instead of begging on our streets and assaulting people, then that's fine with me. I don't claim to know why they're on the streets, and I'm sure I sympathize with a lot of their stories, but the point is that they're at rock bottom and somebody has to push them back in line. Letting them lie there on the streets every day doesn't solve anyone's problem.As far as putting the homeless to work.. I would love to see you do that one. You can't get a job if you are homeless (not to mention most homeless people don't have id, ss card, birth certificate, etc). You can't get a home without a job.
You're preaching to a single parent, just so you know.
Yes. 18 months. A little girl. No, I figure I should let her have some say in who she talks to about her issues.You have a KID, DKM?!?!?!
Do tell! How old? What gender? Have you chosen a therapist, yet?
Yes. 18 months. A little girl. No, I figure I should let her have some say in who she talks to about her issues.
[resume thread hijack] (It's not really a hijack, so much as a sidetrack)Aw, a little baby girl! How precious.
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We house them in exchange for working....as for the schizos and other delightful individuals, there's always medication followed by institutionalizing them (something I think we should go back to regardless)Maybe I don't understand your new program... you are going to work them during the day, then put them back out on the streets at night?
Well, basically they would not have a choice. But the last time I checked, possession of drugs, public intox, urinating in public, disturbing the peace, vagrancy, trespassing, panhandling, theft, assault, resisting arrest and numerous other things the many homeless do on a regular basis are crimes.And what about the ones that don't want to be in your program? Are you just going to arrest them for doing nothing wrong and put them in your program?
Who said anything about paying them even that much? I figured cleaning them up, giving them a place to live temporarily and allowing them to sober up and get the drugs out of their system would be repayment enough, along with something like $5 an hour that goes into a fund to provide for their housing once they leave the program. Once they have done that and they can find a better job, then they can go on about their merry way.Also, are you going to pay them $8 an hour? That's what it costs to barely scrape by in Seattle as a single person, no kids.
The reason you believe minorities have a predisposition is because of institutional and gendered racism, so I really am not surprised you (or anyone else for that matter) believes that.
I respect you....I just think you are a fool for believing that the current attempts at dealing with the homeless, even if applied on a nationwide scale, would produce any sort of a meaningful positive result. You also seem a little naive but that should change as you get older......good luckI respect you even though you don't respect me.
I love volunteer work and community service, and would be involved with both even if it didn't help me get into med school. I've been doing community service since I was a kid. It's something that I'm very passionate about. When I first got on here and saw people talking about only doing community service/volunteer work because they had to to get into med school, it really surprised me. I guess it still kind of surprises me that community service and social justice mean so little to some people. I don't have anything against those people, it just surprises me. As far as research goes, I assist researchers in my job, but I don't actually do research. I enjoy my job though.
Social justice means equal rights, opportunities, protections, and obligations for all.... and you are kidding yourself if you think we live in a society where that exists.
- Gay rights. Couples do not have certain rights such as the ability to visit their partner in a health-care facility, give informed consent for treatment, make funeral arrangements, etc, just because they are not heterosexual.
If it means arresting and punishing criminals I'm all for it. I think you mean it in the slobbering, bleeding heart, "My Son is a good boy even if he shot his girlfriend in the kootchie 'cause the bitch was playing him" sense.