Recent DO vs foreign MD

[gt07m]

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Hi. I know that this thread, and ones similar to it, have been posted, but I have a somewhat more specific question, plus, a lot of those threads are at least 5+ years old, and a lot has changed with the matches concerning FMGs and DOs. Both are much more widely accepted, and it seems like a ton of the doctors in Staten Island are FMGs, while I believe that I saw that almost 25% of all doctors are DOs now.

I was planning on going to Saint George's University for medical school, but I have also been recently accepted to TouroCOM in Middletown, NY, the new branch of Touro. I know that the Touro schools and Touro Harlem COM is a great school and I have no doubt that Middletown will be the same, but they have only accepted one year of students so far, the class of 2018. The school is very new, very modern, but also doesn't have any match data in which to go by other than that of the Harlem campus, so interviewing for residencies might be difficult.

So, would it be better to go to a newer US DO school, or a foreign medical school that has been around for much longer? I am also hoping to do research and/or something in surgery, both of which I've heard are easier to get into with MD degrees over DO degrees, even if it is a foreign MD degree. Although it also seems that the DO route is safer in general just in case I don't do as awesome on the boards.

Sorry for the long post. I've seen a lot of other threads so I tried to incorporate some of what they had to offer here too. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you!!!

 

[j4pac]

Never go full Caribbean.

 

[IIIIIII]

Just stop...

 

[IIIIIII]

Things havent changed in 5 years

 

[Dr.Jekyll75]

Dude take the a
dvice from the majority go Do

 

[Doctor_Strange]

Actually, I have looked up the natioanl residency data for 2015. All across the board, it is harder for a F-IMG (even a US IMG).

For example, 203 osteopaths matched into EM--75 IMG matched EM.

Surgery had an even wider discrepancies that favored DOs.

DO > IMG

 

[0dee]

Would you like to trade places and I'll take your acceptance into Touro? haha. I have no knowledge about Caribbean schools other than their reputation here on SDN, but I would take my chances with a brand new DO school that might match me into FM or IM than any foreign MD school.

 

[Glutes]

Check out this post

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

Hi. I know that this thread, and ones similar to it, have been posted, but I have a somewhat more specific question, plus, a lot of those threads are at least 5+ years old, and a lot has changed with the matches concerning FMGs and DOs. Both are much more widely accepted, and it seems like a ton of the doctors in Staten Island are FMGs, while I believe that I saw that almost 25% of all doctors are DOs now.

I was planning on going to Saint George's University for medical school, but I have also been recently accepted to TouroCOM in Middletown, NY, the new branch of Touro. I know that the Touro schools and Touro Harlem COM is a great school and I have no doubt that Middletown will be the same, but they have only accepted one year of students so far, the class of 2018. The school is very new, very modern, but also doesn't have any match data in which to go by other than that of the Harlem campus, so interviewing for residencies might be difficult.

So, would it be better to go to a newer US DO school, or a foreign medical school that has been around for much longer? I am also hoping to do research and/or something in surgery, both of which I've heard are easier to get into with MD degrees over DO degrees, even if it is a foreign MD degree. Although it also seems that the DO route is safer in general just in case I don't do as awesome on the boards.

Sorry for the long post. I've seen a lot of other threads so I tried to incorporate some of what they had to offer here too. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you!!!

Go to Touro.

If you go to a foreign school chances at surgery are very slim. At Touro you can so surgery easily.

SGU is more expensive / far greater chance you drop out / much worse opportunities post graduation. New DO schools match fine.


Honestly this shouldn't even be a question in your mind

 

[wzhang728]

What do people think of the Australian UQ Ochsner program. They've had a 90% or higher match rate every year so far. If I'm considering Psychiatry, FM, or IM, would this be an ok choice? I might prefer UQ in terms of student life, weather, etc. to some osteopathic medical schools and like that you still do clinical rotations in the U.S. Right now I'm thinking of going there (assuming I get in) if I don't get any comparable DO offers by December instead of trying to re-apply.

 

[allantois]

What do people think of the Australian UQ Ochsner program. They've had a 90% or higher match rate every year so far. If I'm considering Psychiatry, FM, or IM, would this be an ok choice? I might prefer UQ in terms of student life, weather, etc. to some osteopathic medical schools and like that you still do clinical rotations in the U.S. Right now I'm thinking of going there (assuming I get in) if I don't get any comparable DO offers by December instead of trying to re-apply.

No.

 

[Goro]

If you like the idea of being unemployed and deeply in debt, then by all means, go Carib.

And make better use of the search function here.

Hi. I know that this thread, and ones similar to it, have been posted, but I have a somewhat more specific question, plus, a lot of those threads are at least 5+ years old, and a lot has changed with the matches concerning FMGs and DOs. Both are much more widely accepted, and it seems like a ton of the doctors in Staten Island are FMGs, while I believe that I saw that almost 25% of all doctors are DOs now.

I was planning on going to Saint George's University for medical school, but I have also been recently accepted to TouroCOM in Middletown, NY, the new branch of Touro. I know that the Touro schools and Touro Harlem COM is a great school and I have no doubt that Middletown will be the same, but they have only accepted one year of students so far, the class of 2018. The school is very new, very modern, but also doesn't have any match data in which to go by other than that of the Harlem campus, so interviewing for residencies might be difficult.

So, would it be better to go to a newer US DO school, or a foreign medical school that has been around for much longer? I am also hoping to do research and/or something in surgery, both of which I've heard are easier to get into with MD degrees over DO degrees, even if it is a foreign MD degree. Although it also seems that the DO route is safer in general just in case I don't do as awesome on the boards.

Sorry for the long post. I've seen a lot of other threads so I tried to incorporate some of what they had to offer here too. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you!!!

 

[prettyperky]

Hi. I know that this thread, and ones similar to it, have been posted, but I have a somewhat more specific question, plus, a lot of those threadin are at least 5+ years old, and a lot has changed with the matches concerning FMGs and DOs. Both are much more widely accepted, and it seems like a ton of the doctors in Staten Island are FMGs, while I believe that I saw that almost 25% of all doctors are DOs now.

I was planning on going to Saint George's University for medical school, but I have also been recently accepted to TouroCOM in Middletown, NY, the new branch of Touro. I know that the Touro schools and Touro Harlem COM is a great school and I have no doubt that Middletown will be the same, but they have only accepted one year of students so far, the class of 2018. The school is very new, very modern, but also doesn't have any match data in which to go by other than that of the Harlem campus, so interviewing for residencies might be difficult.

So, would it be better to go to a newer US DO school, or a foreign medical school that has been around for much longer? I am also hoping to do research and/or something in surgery, both of which I've heard are easier to get into with MD degrees over DO degrees, even if it is a foreign MD degree. Although it also seems that the DO route is safer in general just in case I don't do as awesome on the boards.

Sorry for the long post. I've seen a lot of other threads so I tried to incorporate some of what they had to offer here too. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you!!!

Can ANYONE help me? I was dismissed fromDO school for failing a subjective two week clerkship twice. I want my medical degree! It seems no program takes a dismissed student. I was looking I foreign schools. Maybe Oradea Unversity. Can anyone help me? This is my first post. I don'tknow how to post a thread. Sorry to intefere with conversation. I'm desperate.

 

[JimmyB123]

Go to Touro.

If you go to a foreign school chances at surgery are very slim. At Touro you can so surgery easily.

SGU is more expensive / far greater chance you drop out / much worse opportunities post graduation. New DO schools match fine.


Honestly this shouldn't even be a question in your mind

Lol if you go to touro you can't "do surgery easily"

It's all relative but surgery is still pretty darn competitive for DOs and with the merger it'll prob get even more competitive

 

[deleted407021]

Lol if you go to touro you can't "do surgery easily"

It's all relative but surgery is still pretty darn competitive for DOs and with the merger it'll prob get even more competitive

Touro matched 13 students into various surgical specialities this year, including a neurosurgery match. A derm and a rad/onc match on top of that.

 

[IslandStyle808]

You gotta be kidding me. It's TOURO, those schools are a b**** to get into for a reason, besides being in a big city. Go to Touro.

 

[RangerBob]

Go do the DO school. As others mention, it shouldn't even be a question. Honestly I wouldn't even think about it. Yes Touro is a new school, but it's a new branch of a system that already knows how to run a school. And even if it wasn't, it'd still be a better choice than the Caribbean.

The real question is whether going to the Caribbean is better than not going to medical school. As Goro mentions--the odds are much higher that you'll be unemployed and with a mountain of debt. I'd argue it's better to not go to medical school at all.

Fortunately, that question doesn't apply to you since you got into a DO school. Congratulation--if you go to Touro you'll become a physician.

 

[DoctorSynthesis]

Lol if you go to touro you can't "do surgery easily"

It's all relative but surgery is still pretty darn competitive for DOs and with the merger it'll prob get even more competitive

Well surgery isn't easy for anyone to get but with the existence of AOA programs its extremely attainable. Tons of DOs are surgeons. It's not rare whatsoever. With the carribean it is rare.

The merger will only make things better

 

[costales]

School starts in a few days. You all think that was a serious question?

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Things havent changed in 5 years

Disagree. They have gotten worse for the Caribbean.

 

[Seth Joo]

Hi. I know that this thread, and ones similar to it, have been posted, but I have a somewhat more specific question, plus, a lot of those threads are at least 5+ years old, and a lot has changed with the matches concerning FMGs and DOs. Both are much more widely accepted, and it seems like a ton of the doctors in Staten Island are FMGs, while I believe that I saw that almost 25% of all doctors are DOs now.

I was planning on going to Saint George's University for medical school, but I have also been recently accepted to TouroCOM in Middletown, NY, the new branch of Touro. I know that the Touro schools and Touro Harlem COM is a great school and I have no doubt that Middletown will be the same, but they have only accepted one year of students so far, the class of 2018. The school is very new, very modern, but also doesn't have any match data in which to go by other than that of the Harlem campus, so interviewing for residencies might be difficult.

So, would it be better to go to a newer US DO school, or a foreign medical school that has been around for much longer? I am also hoping to do research and/or something in surgery, both of which I've heard are easier to get into with MD degrees over DO degrees, even if it is a foreign MD degree. Although it also seems that the DO route is safer in general just in case I don't do as awesome on the boards.

Sorry for the long post. I've seen a lot of other threads so I tried to incorporate some of what they had to offer here too. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you!!!

Avoid Caribbean schools. DO is great if you cannot get into a US MD program. The way things are going its going to be tougher for foreign graduates to get a residency. Caribbean schools are there to make money and I would not buy the data they furnish to prospective applicants because often it forgets to mention a large number of people fail out before getting to take the boards. Some of these schools claim as high as 90 percent USMLE pass rates but forget to tell you that half of the people they accepted fail out in the first two years.

DO schools have attrition higher than US MD schools but its nothing like the Caribbean.

 

[GUH]

Well surgery isn't easy for anyone to get but with the existence of AOA programs its extremely attainable. Tons of DOs are surgeons. It's not rare whatsoever. With the carribean it is rare.

The merger will only make things better

The merger will change surgery spots previously reserved for DOs to being open to anyone and everyone.
Not the end of the osteopathic profession, but it's hard to argue that it is good for DOs looking for surgery residency in the next few years.

 

[samac]

What do people think of the Australian UQ Ochsner program. They've had a 90% or higher match rate every year so far. If I'm considering Psychiatry, FM, or IM, would this be an ok choice? I might prefer UQ in terms of student life, weather, etc. to some osteopathic medical schools and like that you still do clinical rotations in the U.S. Right now I'm thinking of going there (assuming I get in) if I don't get any comparable DO offers by December instead of trying to re-apply.

Want to be a doctor in the US? Go to a US medical school.
Want to be a doctor in Australia? Go to an Australian medical school.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

The merger will change surgery spots previously reserved for DOs to being open to anyone and everyone.
Not the end of the osteopathic profession, but it's hard to argue that it is good for DOs looking for surgery residency in the next few years.

All those programs still have osteopathic requirements for entry, so I doubt those positions are in big danger.

 

[Grace184]

Can ANYONE help me? I was dismissed fromDO school for failing a subjective two week clerkship twice. I want my medical degree! It seems no program takes a dismissed student. I was looking I foreign schools. Maybe Oradea Unversity. Can anyone help me? This is my first post. I don'tknow how to post a thread. Sorry to intefere with conversation. I'm desperate.

Yea no one takes a dismissed student....

 

[ChrisMack390]

All those programs still have osteopathic requirements for entry, so I doubt those positions are in big danger.

I don't think this is true, or at least not required to be true at all formerly AOA residencies.

 

[mathnerd88]

Can ANYONE help me? I was dismissed fromDO school for failing a subjective two week clerkship twice. I want my medical degree! It seems no program takes a dismissed student. I was looking I foreign schools. Maybe Oradea Unversity. Can anyone help me? This is my first post. I don'tknow how to post a thread. Sorry to intefere with conversation. I'm desperate.

You got accepted to RowanSOM, one of the top osteopathic schools in the country. You were supposed to take this seriously. It is a shame you threw it away.

You can try going to foreign schools, but it won't do you any good. You won't be able to get into a residency through that route, especially with a dismissal from a school. Find another career.

 

[Seth Joo]

The merger will change surgery spots previously reserved for DOs to being open to anyone and everyone.
Not the end of the osteopathic profession, but it's hard to argue that it is good for DOs looking for surgery residency in the next few years.

I would think the merger would be a good thing for DOs, but maybe not. That being said Caribbean graduates are going to get squeezed big time, I think even the best students from the Caribbean schools will be lucky if they get FM or some primary care residency in the next several years.

 

[WastedTime]

I don't think this is true, or at least not required to be true at all formerly AOA residencies.

I still think the MD students probably wouldn't rotate at the osteopathic residencies and the audition rotations will still be valued highly therefore not changing much in regards to matching.

 

[TUVIX]

@Goro Just did a nice post on this topic recently: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/do-carib-and-all-that.1147693/

 

[SLC]

As someone who recently graduated from a new-ish DO school (I was in the 5th graduating class) go DO every single time.

I have classmates doing residencies at UCSF (the one in SF, not Fresno), UC-Irvine, UC-Davis, SLU, NYMC. I am at an Ivy League University program myself. We lost less than 10% of our class. Only 2-3 dropped or failed out, the rest took an extra year. All who graduated this year (about 100) ended up in residencies, most everyone got what they wanted.

That's just not the case at SGU. No matter how much number massaging they use to convince you otherwise. Go there and there's a 50:50 chance you fail out before Step1. Then a 50:50 chance you match immediately after graduation. And by match I mean go to residency, as in you may not get to start residency immediately, or at all.

Not worth the risk IMO.

 

[echo87]

As someone who recently graduated from a new-ish DO school (I was in the 5th graduating class) go DO every single time.

I have classmates doing residencies at UCSF (the one in SF, not Fresno), UC-Irvine, UC-Davis, SLU, NYMC. I am at an Ivy League University program myself. We lost less than 10% of our class. Only 2-3 dropped or failed out, the rest took an extra year. All who graduated this year (about 100) ended up in residencies, most everyone got what they wanted.

May I ask which school you went to?

 

[SLC]

May I ask which school you went to?

ATSU-SOMA

 

[Seth Joo]

Hi. I know that this thread, and ones similar to it, have been posted, but I have a somewhat more specific question, plus, a lot of those threads are at least 5+ years old, and a lot has changed with the matches concerning FMGs and DOs. Both are much more widely accepted, and it seems like a ton of the doctors in Staten Island are FMGs, while I believe that I saw that almost 25% of all doctors are DOs now.

I was planning on going to Saint George's University for medical school, but I have also been recently accepted to TouroCOM in Middletown, NY, the new branch of Touro. I know that the Touro schools and Touro Harlem COM is a great school and I have no doubt that Middletown will be the same, but they have only accepted one year of students so far, the class of 2018. The school is very new, very modern, but also doesn't have any match data in which to go by other than that of the Harlem campus, so interviewing for residencies might be difficult.

So, would it be better to go to a newer US DO school, or a foreign medical school that has been around for much longer? I am also hoping to do research and/or something in surgery, both of which I've heard are easier to get into with MD degrees over DO degrees, even if it is a foreign MD degree. Although it also seems that the DO route is safer in general just in case I don't do as awesome on the boards.

Sorry for the long post. I've seen a lot of other threads so I tried to incorporate some of what they had to offer here too. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you!!!

Its better to go to a DO school over a Caribbean school, if you are going to a medical school in another country like the UK, then it all depends, if you want to work in particular country, you should go to medical school in that country, if you are going to work in the US, its better to go to a DO school than a school in the UK, France, etc. for many obvious reasons. However if you want to practice in the UK, France, or wherever, its best to go to medical school in that country.

The only exception here is Canada, as their schools are top notch and have LCME accreditation which means you are not a foreign MD even though you have a foreign MD, it sounds weird but its true.

 

[gt07m]

Hey everyone,

So sorry for the late reply! Thank you so much for the prompt responses. I'm sorry that I did not see the post that Goro sent earlier, as well as the one TUVIX had. They were both very good reads and I wish I had seen them sooner. I decided to go to Touro, so the last few weeks I was scrambling to get an apartment and actually start school, so I apologize for the late response, and thank you so much for the great advice.

I honestly was thinking DO as soon as I got in, but a few people that I did know are going to SGU turned down DO opportunities at other schools. I also worked in the prestigious Longwood Medical Area in Boston doing ortho research and talked with some Harvard affiliated doctors whom recommended a MD of any kind over a DO degree. Granted, these people were in the minority, but I just wanted to make sure before I made such a huge decision.

Thanks again everyone!