Recent MCATs are heavily Passage-Based?

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Just wondering, what are some of the difficulities you've experienced with having questions more passage based. I think I'm naive / haven't taken a cbt yet, but wouldn't more references to the passage make the MCAT easier??
 
you'd think so. but they can take a lot more time, especially if it's the first time dealing with whatever topic they have. they also require more general comprehensive knowledge instead of specific details - some people find this more challenging.
 
i've always found them more challenging. not only do they require the background knowledge, but they also require critical thinking and integration of the new material.
 
i've always found them more challenging. not only do they require the background knowledge, but they also require critical thinking and integration of the new material.

Exactly. It's not the comprehension of new material or recall of learned knowledge that trips people up, but the synthesis of content and understanding new material is what really sends test-takers for a loop.
 
thanks, gotcha now

another question... because of this change, and the fact that test takers all find it harder, shouldn't AAMC reflect that in a nicer curve?

i guess my question is... shouldn't we expect to get the same/similar score?
 
ugh, this is lame very lame indeed


it seems that the only way to compensate for this is by taking upper level classes in cell bio, anatomy, physiology, genetics + biochem to be thoroughly prepared.


Honestly, I think for the majority of us general bio I + II was a waste of time (hardly went into the pre-med stuff but went way too much into evolution, fungi, and all damn stuff that was really lame)
 
ugh, this is lame very lame indeed


it seems that the only way to compensate for this is by taking upper level classes in cell bio, anatomy, physiology, genetics + biochem to be thoroughly prepared.


Honestly, I think for the majority of us general bio I + II was a waste of time (hardly went into the pre-med stuff but went way too much into evolution, fungi, and all damn stuff that was really lame)

Even with my advanced classes, I had a hard time figuring some of the BS out. I could not even imagine taking the test with just BIO I and II. I saw immuno, biochem, advanced physio, cell bio, etc.
 
No dude. They're more difficult because its not like "Which one of these were mentioned in the passage?"

It is "the passage mentioned something you've never heard before, now use the mentioned equation and solve this ridiculous problem."

However, the curve is sweeter =)

This means that if you're REALLY good at a topic, your chances of scoring higher will be good. Previous MCATs often punish stupid mistakes. However, current MCATs have a harsher curve, so stupid mistakes don't penalize you as much.
 
No dude. They're more difficult because its not like "Which one of these were mentioned in the passage?"

It is "the passage mentioned something you've never heard before, now use the mentioned equation and solve this ridiculous problem."

However, the curve is sweeter =)

This means that if you're REALLY good at a topic, your chances of scoring higher will be good. Previous MCATs often punish stupid mistakes. However, current MCATs have a harsher curve, so stupid mistakes don't penalize you as much.


Good description of how my day went. I was always waiting for that one easy passage to pop up. Still waiting...

Here's to hoping for a tremendous curve!!
 
No dude. They're more difficult because its not like "Which one of these were mentioned in the passage?"

It is "the passage mentioned something you've never heard before, now use the mentioned equation and solve this ridiculous problem."

However, the curve is sweeter =)

This means that if you're REALLY good at a topic, your chances of scoring higher will be good. Previous MCATs often punish stupid mistakes. However, current MCATs have a harsher curve, so stupid mistakes don't penalize you as much.

How would a harsher curve not cause stupid mistakes to penalize you?
 
He probbably meant to say a 'steeper' curve

When did this change occur on the MCAT?

Any reason why?
My guess is because this is late summer, everyone has had all the time in the world to study, thus AMCAS had to test us on stuff we couldn't have studied.
 
My guess is because this is late summer, everyone has had all the time in the world to study, thus AMCAS had to test us on stuff we couldn't have studied.

or maybe to deliver a test for which studying is impossible thus discerning the men from the boys
 
or maybe to deliver a test for which studying is impossible thus discerning the men from the boys

to some extent, i think that's what they tried to do today

makes sense to me

if they want to know how you study, they look at your grades

if they want to know how you well you reason, they look at your MCAT
 
to some extent, i think that's what they tried to do today

makes sense to me

if they want to know how you study, they look at your grades

if they want to know how you well you reason, they look at your MCAT

Who knows how AAMC works its magic with the bell curves, but once MCAT becomes too hard (today's test being a prime example), it doesn't matter how long you studied or how much you knew, both people who knew their stuff really well and people who started studying the night before get screwed. Giving really long and confusing passages on all 3 sections of a timed test completely defeats the purpose of the test.
 
This really saddens me. I studied so hard and I'll probably wind up doing worse than somebody that partied all summer. Even some of the discretes, I had never seen before in EK or TPR's materials. Maybe Kaplan is the way to go after all.
 
This really saddens me. I studied so hard and I'll probably wind up doing worse than somebody that partied all summer. Even some of the discretes, I had never seen before in EK or TPR's materials. Maybe Kaplan is the way to go after all.


i think you really have to use all sources for studying and learning which metods works best for you. the key is still to relax and read the passages carefully and the questions as well. as you move along, do not focus on the previous passage or section. it will only trip you up later on.
 
i think you really have to use all sources for studying and learning which metods works best for you. the key is still to relax and read the passages carefully and the questions as well. as you move along, do not focus on the previous passage or section. it will only trip you up later on.

Trust me I was not nervous at all. I was as prepared as anybody. On all the practice AAMC tests I was in full control of the test and breaking 30 was not even in question. Today's exam was from hell. The only way people could have scored well on today's exam is if they got lucky with their guesses, which, like I have said before, defeats the purpose of the MCAT. Unless of course the purpose of the MCAT is to have as many people as possible to take it over so that AAMC can get more money.
 
Trust me I was not nervous at all. I was as prepared as anybody. On all the practice AAMC tests I was in full control of the test and breaking 30 was not even in question. Today's exam was from hell. The only way people could have scored well on today's exam is if they got lucky with their guesses, which, like I have said before, defeats the purpose of the MCAT. Unless of course the purpose of the MCAT is to have as many people as possible to take it over so that AAMC can get more money.


i know right. in the past they had about 70,000 +/- a few thousand people take it during the april/august administration. now with the 20+ dates, i'm not sure if the total number of seats are the same but given the number of people repeating, that is a sh**load of money for the AAMC.
 
Yeah I agree with BrokenGlass. I didn't study so much as I did practice tests after practice tests. I also went through the EK books too. The AAMC's tests do not compare in caliber to the one I took today. Some of the questions I had no idea whatsoever what they wanted of me. It could have been one idea or another easily. I was fairly calm during the test also.
 
I sort of agree with BrokenGlass. With less questions based on outside facts anyone and everyone has the same chance of getting the question right. Also the harder the question, the more people guess on it, so again, random chance comes into play more.

Notice I said "more" skill was involved but random chance was higher than with, say, the CBT10
 
i've always found them more challenging. not only do they require the background knowledge, but they also require critical thinking and integration of the new material.
isnt it what the mcat is trying to test anyways 😉😀
 
Yeah but with the current time limit, it more often than not turns into random guessing when the timer is clicking down.
 
Trust me I was not nervous at all. I was as prepared as anybody. On all the practice AAMC tests I was in full control of the test and breaking 30 was not even in question. Today's exam was from hell. The only way people could have scored well on today's exam is if they got lucky with their guesses, which, like I have said before, defeats the purpose of the MCAT. Unless of course the purpose of the MCAT is to have as many people as possible to take it over so that AAMC can get more money.

Thats the point though, of course you had to guess! But remember that everyone else had to guess on some of the questions too. When everyone gets screwed, the person who is the most prepared is less screwed than others, and does better! You're curved against the rest, there is no reason why someone else got a question right and you didn't.

And the MCAT is definitely not pointless OR completely based on luck. Sure some luck comes into play, but if you truly know a subject to heart, 9 out of your 10 guesses are going to be better than the person who did not prepare for the exam.

How do you think people with strong MCAT practice scores continue to score perfectly within range of their practice tests? Sure, a portion of the people do better while others do worse than their expected score, but by and large everyone gets what they should get.
 
Thats the point though, of course you had to guess! But remember that everyone else had to guess on some of the questions too. When everyone gets screwed, the person who is the most prepared is less screwed than others, and does better! You're curved against the rest, there is no reason why someone else got a question right and you didn't.

And the MCAT is definitely not pointless OR completely based on luck. Sure some luck comes into play, but if you truly know a subject to heart, 9 out of your 10 guesses are going to be better than the person who did not prepare for the exam.

How do you think people with strong MCAT practice scores continue to score perfectly within range of their practice tests? Sure, a portion of the people do better while others do worse than their expected score, but by and large everyone gets what they should get.

You don't know me and you don't know how well I knew the material, nor do you know anything about my reasoning abilities, so unless you took yesterday's test and found it reasonable (in which case you are a genius), you shouldn't make comments about how hard or easy yesterday's test was.

Preparation and reasoning ability help only if MCAT (or any standardized test for that matter) doesn't exceed some threshold level of difficulty. The tests administered in April and May (with the possible exception of May 31st) were fair in that people with better knowledge and reasoninng skills got higher scores. I know several people who took those tests. I know their level of knowledge, their reasoning ability, and the effort they put into the exam prep. The fact is there is a GREAT variability in the difficulty of the exams, which, like I have said before, results in luck being a major factor in determing your score. The best way to test if someone knows science is not through some stupid written test but through a verbal examination. Of course, this is impractical, which is why MCAT is a written test.

If you want to argue which skills are more important to being a good physician: being able to take lucky guesses or knowing your science cold, I'd go with the latter. Do you want to become a guinea pig in your doctor's game of lucky guesses or do you want your doctor to know his/her suff inside out?

The August MCATs didn't do a good job of separating people based on ability.

I am reasonably sure that I have taken more standardized tests than you, including GRE and LSAT, so as a standardized test, yesterday MCAT fails miserably in all categories of what a standardized test is supposed to achieve.
 
so is it fair to say that the paper test wasn't as insane in regards to the whole reading comprehension aspect? I am going through my kaplan flashcards and the more i read about that aug 20th test the more i keep wondering if i need to know how to name ketones and alcohols....bahhh😕 and remember how to assign R and S configurations and draw lewis structures......😕
 
so is it fair to say that the paper test wasn't as insane in regards to the whole reading comprehension aspect? I am going through my kaplan flashcards and the more i read about that aug 20th test the more i keep wondering if i need to know how to name ketones and alcohols....bahhh😕 and remember how to assign R and S configurations and draw lewis structures......😕

Ketones, alcohols, R & S configurations, Lewis dot structures, etc. are basic stuff and could appear on the test. You should definitely know these topics.
 
so is it fair to say that the paper test wasn't as insane in regards to the whole reading comprehension aspect? I am going through my kaplan flashcards and the more i read about that aug 20th test the more i keep wondering if i need to know how to name ketones and alcohols....bahhh😕 and remember how to assign R and S configurations and draw lewis structures......😕


that's the easy stuff...it's trying to remember the hydrolysis of all the carboxylic acid derivatives that annoys me. in acid, in base. nitrile gives what? most of the time the answer comes to me immediately and sometimes i can see it by looking at the choices. sometimes i make a mistake like saponifcation of an ester with NaOH gives the salt not the acid.
 
You don't know me and you don't know how well I knew the material, nor do you know anything about my reasoning abilities, so unless you took yesterday's test and found it reasonable (in which case you are a genius), you shouldn't make comments about how hard or easy yesterday's test was.

That was really harsh IMO. He/she made a general point about the issue, and you took it as a personal attack, which I see no reason for. Furthermore, his/her general idea was right: if you prepare more for this test, your expected value per question is obviously higher. The disparity between prepared test-takers and unprepared ones may not be as high as previously administered MCATs, but those who prepared still had an edge.

Preparation and reasoning ability help only if MCAT (or any standardized test for that matter) doesn't exceed some threshold level of difficulty. The tests administered in April and May (with the possible exception of May 31st) were fair in that people with better knowledge and reasoninng skills got higher scores. I know several people who took those tests. I know their level of knowledge, their reasoning ability, and the effort they put into the exam prep.

I took the Aug 20 administration, with relatively little studying under my belt.

Yet I took the test, and found it quite reasonable. Did it require more critical thinking, logic and reasoning than previous MCATs? Sure sounds like it, but to think that it was past a threshold of something reasonable is really farfetched in my opinion. I will agree that there should be a fair balance between reasoning and knowledge, but I disagree that the Aug 20 MCAT was past reasonable. This is just my opinion of course.

The fact is there is a GREAT variability in the difficulty of the exams, which, like I have said before, results in luck being a major factor in determing your score.

Is there always variability involved in the MCAT? Obviously, but ditto with many other things in life. But more importantly, like I said, those who are prepared, will generally do better in the long run. Those who are better will be able to reduce the effects of luck in the long term, so what's the point in even arguing the existence of luck or chance? Don't let short term variance phase you like this - I myself would not want a physician phased by short term variance.

The best way to test if someone knows science is not through some stupid written test but through a verbal examination. Of course, this is impractical, which is why MCAT is a written test.. If you want to argue which skills are more important to being a good physician: being able to take lucky guesses or knowing your science cold, I'd go with the latter. Do you want to become a guinea pig in your doctor's game of lucky guesses or do you want your doctor to know his/her suff inside out?

What is the purpose of the MCAT? To test how well people know science? if that's what you think, then I respectfully disagree. In fact, the most recent administrations of the MCAT seem to disagree with that notion more clearly. In my opinion, the purpose of the MCAT is to test certain skills that are important for a physician to have - the ability to analyze new information and make good decisions quickly, analytical and critical thinking, the ability to handle oneself well under stress, etc. etc. This is better done through the new. what you call "tougher", more passage based MCATs.

Let me ask you this: Do you want a doctor who is only capable of regurgitating things learned in medical school, or do you want a doctor who is able to analyze new situations and solve new problems? What if you have a brain injury never seen before - what type of doctor do you want on your case?

I agree there is a place for displaying the ability to do science, but I think the knowledge for medicine can be taught - to teach critical thinking and reasoning is WAY harder, and that is why I think it's good that the MCAT is getting more passage, reasoning based.

Just my two cents, feel free to disagree.
 
That was really harsh IMO. He/she made a general point about the issue, and you took it as a personal attack, which I see no reason for. Furthermore, his/her general idea was right: if you prepare more for this test, your expected value per question is obviously higher. The disparity between prepared test-takers and unprepared ones may not be as high as previously administered MCATs, but those who prepared still had an edge.



I took the Aug 20 administration, with relatively little studying under my belt.

Yet I took the test, and found it quite reasonable. Did it require more critical thinking, logic and reasoning than previous MCATs? Sure sounds like it, but to think that it was past a threshold of something reasonable is really farfetched in my opinion. I will agree that there should be a fair balance between reasoning and knowledge, but I disagree that the Aug 20 MCAT was past reasonable. This is just my opinion of course.



Is there always variability involved in the MCAT? Obviously, but ditto with many other things in life. But more importantly, like I said, those who are prepared, will generally do better in the long run. Those who are better will be able to reduce the effects of luck in the long term, so what's the point in even arguing the existence of luck or chance? Don't let short term variance phase you like this - I myself would not want a physician phased by short term variance.



What is the purpose of the MCAT? To test how well people know science? if that's what you think, then I respectfully disagree. In fact, the most recent administrations of the MCAT seem to disagree with that notion more clearly. In my opinion, the purpose of the MCAT is to test certain skills that are important for a physician to have - the ability to analyze new information and make good decisions quickly, analytical and critical thinking, the ability to handle oneself well under stress, etc. etc. This is better done through the new. what you call "tougher", more passage based MCATs.

Let me ask you this: Do you want a doctor who is only capable of regurgitating things learned in medical school, or do you want a doctor who is able to analyze new situations and solve new problems? What if you have a brain injury never seen before - what type of doctor do you want on your case?

I agree there is a place for displaying the ability to do science, but I think the knowledge for medicine can be taught - to teach critical thinking and reasoning is WAY harder, and that is why I think it's good that the MCAT is getting more passage, reasoning based.

Just my two cents, feel free to disagree.

If you think that yesterday's test was reasonable, you are in a slim minority. If you end up with a good score, I'll be the first one to congratulate you.

If you want to gamble on your doctor's reasoning (translation: educated gambling) ability rather than knowledge accumulated through hard work and experience, you are going to get the medical care you deserve. Sorry if this may sound "harsh" to you.

Are you suggesting the MCATs administered in the past 10 years didn't achieve their goal of selecting applicants that would make the most promising physicians? If they did, why change the diffuculty so much? If they didn't, are you not willing to have someone who graduated from the medical school in the past 10 years as your doctor? After all, according to you, they weren't selected based on their reasoning skills, but rather on how well they can memorize information.

Feel free to disagree.
 
If you think that yesterday's test was reasonable, you are in a slim minority. If you end up with a good score, I'll be the first one to congratulate you.

If you want to gamble on your doctor's reasoning (translation: educated gambling) ability rather than knowledge accumulated through hard work and experience, you are going to get the medical care you deserve. Sorry if this may sound "harsh" to you.

Well I guess this is where we disagree. Correct me if I'm wrong, you contend that yesterday's MCAT was a crapshoot where better students would do just as well as poor students - I completely disagree. I feel that students who prepared well AND had strong reasoning/critical thinking skills had a HUGE edge over a random field on yesterday's test.

I will agree that the test was likely tough for the majority of students, and perhaps the AAMC can find a better balance between reasoning and knowledge based assessment.

Are you suggesting the MCATs administered in the past 10 years didn't achieve their goal of selecting applicants that would make the most promising physicians? If they did, why change the diffuculty so much? If they didn't, are you not willing to have someone who graduated from the medical school in the past 10 years as your doctor? After all, according to you, they weren't selected based on their reasoning skills, but rather on how well they can memorize information.

Feel free to disagree.

I think you are misinterpreting parts of my post. Let me explain my position better. I think it is good for the MCAT to move towards more reasoning/passage based items, as it tests important skills not touched well in past administrations, in my opinion. This is a NEW transition by the AAMC, so the degree to which they did this is arguably good or bad. As long as a good compromise is found, I think such tests would be better indicators than previous tests.

I would hope that the AAMC did their best (at the time) with the previous MCATs in identifying students with potential - I would disagree with the idea that their efforts for the past 10 years are perfect and could not be improved.
 
I doubt aamc is changing MCAT...MCAT has never been based on how well u memorize things... I remember one of the teachers who got a 39, 8 months ago said that u need to know a little, everything u need is presented in the passage...that said, its no surprise that twd the end of summer exams become harder since aamc knows, people taking it this time have prepared for the whole summer. these guys are very experienced before they give a test out they pretty much have a good estimate of how the curve is gona turn out...correct me if im wrong..
 
Well I guess this is where we disagree. Correct me if I'm wrong, you contend that yesterday's MCAT was a crapshoot where better students would do just as well as poor students - I completely disagree. I feel that students who prepared well AND had strong reasoning/critical thinking skills had a HUGE edge over a random field on yesterday's test.

I will agree that the test was likely tough for the majority of students, and perhaps the AAMC can find a better balance between reasoning and knowledge based assessment.



I think you are misinterpreting parts of my post. Let me explain my position better. I think it is good for the MCAT to move towards more reasoning/passage based items, as it tests important skills not touched well in past administrations, in my opinion. This is a NEW transition by the AAMC, so the degree to which they did this is arguably good or bad. As long as a good compromise is found, I think such tests would be better indicators than previous tests.

I would hope that the AAMC did their best (at the time) with the previous MCATs in identifying students with potential - I would disagree with the idea that their efforts for the past 10 years are perfect and could not be improved.

The efforts may not have been perfect, but the recent trend is a huge step in the WRONG direction. How can MCAT be a "reasoning" test if passages are long and next to impossible to understand? If that's what MCAT is trying to test nowadays, then it's only fair for AAMC to provide more representative practice tests, which so far they haven't done.

If you didn't invest a lot of time in preparation and still felt good about the test, then maybe you could englighten us on how to approach this new and "improved" MCAT?
 
I doubt aamc is changing MCAT...MCAT has never been based on how well u memorize things... I remember one of the teachers who got a 39, 8 months ago said that u need to know a little, everything u need is presented in the passage...that said, its no surprise that twd the end of summer exams become harder since aamc knows, people taking it this time have prepared for the whole summer. these guys are very experienced before they give a test out they pretty much have a good estimate of how the curve is gona turn out...correct me if im wrong..

If they had a clue on how the curve will turn out, they would not take a month to release the scores. One explanation is that passages are drawn at random from a large pool. This explains why some tests are Physics heavy while others are G-Chem heavy, etc. This would also explain why some tests are significantly harder than others. If you are suggesting that they make summer tests harder on purpose, and if MCAT is in fact a reasoning test, then they are unfairly putting the summer test takers at a disadvantage. After all, if MCAT is mostly a reasoning test, then summer test takers (having studied longer) should have no advantage.

I am not claiming that MCAT should be based almost exclusively on memorization. But the other extreme, of which yesterday's test was a prime example, is equally ridiculous.
 
i second that. u gotta draw the line somewhere, and yesterdays exam was like the most unstandardized standardized test given (save maybe the july 24th disaster)
 
The efforts may not have been perfect, but the recent trend is a huge step in the WRONG direction. How can MCAT be a "reasoning" test if passages are long next to impossible to understand? If that's what MCAT is trying to test nowadays, then it's only fair for AAMC to provide more representative practice tests, which so far they haven't done.

How many of the passages do you feel were unreasonable? How many questions do you feel were unreasonable/impossible?

I agree there were problems with the test, but I don't think it was as bad as most people were saying. There were tough passages, and a few seemingly impossible questions, but I don't think there were THAT many to make it "impossible" as a whole.

If you didn't invest a lot of time in preparation and still felt good about the test, then maybe you could englighten us on how to approach this new and "improved" MCAT?

I'm not saying the latest MCAT is a "perfect improvement". I do believe that more passaged-based items are better - how much and what degree, like I said, is debatable. I hope you understand what I'm saying there. Are we guinea pigs in this test? Maybe, but heck, it's going to happen sometime. Unfortunate for us, I know.

As for how to approach it - are we really looking for some magic formula? Read the passage, do your best to understand it. Read the question, read the answers, critically think about it. Obviously the past AAMC practices were not heavy on critical thinking, and that sucks, I get it. But seriously, there are a few extremely hard questions, okay - but I believe most of the questions were doable if you just thought critically and logically about them.

There were definitely a few questions I had to make educated guesses on, but there was never a case were an entire passage was not doable.
 
..that said, its no surprise that twd the end of summer exams become harder since aamc knows, people taking it this time have prepared for the whole summer.

I highly doubt this would be true.

Such a conclusion is based on a ton of assumptions....
 
How many of the passages do you feel were unreasonable? How many questions do you feel were unreasonable/impossible?

I agree there were problems with the test, but I don't think it was as bad as most people were saying. There were tough passages, and a few seemingly impossible questions, but I don't think there were THAT many to make it "impossible" as a whole.



I'm not saying the latest MCAT is a "perfect improvement". I do believe that more passaged-based items are better - how much and what degree, like I said, is debatable. I hope you understand what I'm saying there. Are we guinea pigs in this test? Maybe, but heck, it's going to happen sometime. Unfortunate for us, I know.

As for how to approach it - are we really looking for some magic formula? Read the passage, do your best to understand it. Read the question, read the answers, critically think about it. Obviously the past AAMC practices were not heavy on critical thinking, and that sucks, I get it. But seriously, there are a few extremely hard questions, okay - but I believe most of the questions were doable if you just thought critically and logically about them.

There were definitely a few questions I had to make educated guesses on, but there was never a case were an entire passage was not doable.

Considering you are the only one who claims the test was easy, perhaps you are so much more capable and skilled in your "reasoning abilities" than mere mortals that you find it hard to understand what we are talking about?

In case you missed my point entirely, let me state it again: I found the entire exam extremely lenghty and difficult.
 
I think that it isn't safe to say whether the MCAT is getting more passage or more content based. It still varies highly with each test administration. My July 24 admins was highly passage based, but I heard that a friend's August exam was more content based.

Just be prepared for both.... it's not fair 😡
 
Considering you are the only one who claims the test was easy, perhaps you are so much more capable and skilled in your "reasoning abilities" than mere mortals that you find it hard to understand what we are talking about?

In case you missed my point entirely, let me state it again: I found the entire exam extremely lenghty and difficult.

Not trying to get into a flame war, but it sounds like you either aren't understanding my argument, or like putting words in my mouth. I never said it was "easy" - in fact, I agreed that parts of it were tough. But why should we we be surprised by this?

Lots of people thought it was impossibly hard. I think it was tough, but most of it doable. Just how I felt. I hope that is clear for you.
 
So are your posts, but this doesn't seem to stop you from opining.

Are you for real? I'm sorry if my viewpoints frustrate you, but whatever, if that's how you feel =)

I'd be happy to debate any points you feel I am making really bad assumptions on.
 
I highly doubt this would be true.

Such a conclusion is based on a ton of assumptions....

First whatever I said is not based on a huge assumption... its common sense, besides i didn't say im 100% right, that what I assume..

Regarding August 20 exam, since everybody say that the test was really hard and almost like an iq test, I think there is gona be a high standard deviation between the scores. This means there are gona be 2 major groups, those that figured how to process new info and arrive at the answer and those that didn't have any idea what to do.
If MCAT is going in that trend, I thing those who are majoring in Biochem, Molecular Bio, immunology, Bioengineering .... are gona be doing a lot better...CORRECT me if Im wrong...
 
Are you for real? I'm sorry if my viewpoints frustrate you, but whatever, if that's how you feel =)

I'd be happy to debate any points you feel I am making really bad assumptions on.

I would debate you further, but it's a waste of my time. Good luck with your scores.
 
Even with my advanced classes, I had a hard time figuring some of the BS out. I could not even imagine taking the test with just BIO I and II. I saw immuno, biochem, advanced physio, cell bio, etc.

I totally disagree. I took this having nothing but AP bio (to be fair, I medalled at Science Olympiad nationals in their anat/phys event, but that only tested neuro, endocrine, and urinary and it was in HS.)

I think as long as you're able to take in new material relatively quickly and grasp its implications you will be totally fine with just basic bio.
 
First whatever I said is not based on a huge assumption... its common sense, besides i didn't say im 100% right, that what I assume..

What i meant to say was that it would be illogical of the AAMC to assume that those who say take the August 25 test spent more time studying than those who took the July 24th test. Not everyone spends 4 months studying - some even spend a year. If you were going to spend X hours studying for the MCAT, you were likely going to do it, no matter what your test date.

Subsequently, it would be unfair for them to make the later tests harder purposely, based on such reasoning.

Regarding August 20 exam, since everybody say that the test was really hard and almost like an iq test, I think there is gona be a high standard deviation between the scores. This means there are gona be 2 major groups, those that figured how to process new info and arrive at the answer and those that didn't have any idea what to do.

I do agree this is a likely problem. The way I see it, they seem to be trying new things this year, with the goal of coming to a better compromise from varying difficulties and types of passages/questions for next year.

If MCAT is going in that trend, I thing those who are majoring in Biochem, Molecular Bio, immunology, Bioengineering .... are gona be doing a lot better...CORRECT me if Im wrong...

I don't know what "types" of people go into those fields, but I do feel that more logically inclined people will have a much larger edge if the MCATs continue to be like those from Aug 20.
 
i took yesterday's horrible exam as well. You know it was crazy because when i left the test center in long island, i felt like i had seen a ghost. when my friend who picked me up asked what i thought of the test, my original response was, "you know, i think i just blew my chance at a generally fair exam" my original opinion was that it was my stupidity, but when i got home and read all the comments, i realized it was a mixture of both. The PS was more Gchem than physics, and its no one's fault but my own that I messed up on the solution chem passage. The verbal reasoning was longer than the aamc and i was warned about that. the answers however were way more unintelligible than practice exams. the BS was the kicker....that was the section that seemed to be from another planet. the topics were outrageous and completely unexpected and that is also true of the orgo. In retrospect, the practice exams were a horrible indicator of this new exam that was administered. the new exam was way more passage based and the overall difficulty level was way higher, but i guess it goes both ways on this argument. Its more unfair for us as guinnea pigs yes [way more unfair because I know how it feels to have so much riding on getting a good score, not just acceptance to med school, but respect, pride (which isn't always a good thing anyway and so maybe i deserve to be humbled) money, time, and people's hope in you] but i guess i can reason with the point of becoming more passage based. this test just definately made a horrible transition. All these theories about curves, field-test questions, intentions on behalf of the AAMC, all that.... what do all these opinions and arguments and speculations amount to? is there some sort of action we can take to appeal things we don't see fair? if not are we just wasting our time or seeking consolation in venting opinions? What will it amount to? Can we argue a case of "the test was unfair" in an open-file interview upon being questioned about our MCAT performance? What can we PRACTICALLY make of all this? What?....Here's hopin for real consolation somehow.
 
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