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Refuse to payback HPSP
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We've talked about this before in this thread:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=622855
Read it through, everything is there.
This isn't a legal choice you can make. Think of it as breach of contract. The last person that I know of that tried this decided they weren't going to show up at their assigned base. The were considered AWOL and were appropriately treated as such.
In the Air Force, you don't get the option of serving as a MSC officer. You get discharged, and have to pay the money back.
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Graduate then on your first day of active duty announce that you have realized that you are gay.
Problem solved.
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I've seen this method tried before. It doesn't necessarily work. Just saying you are gay doesn't prove you are gay and military lawyers know this. If this were a method someone wanted to use, they had better pucker up.
On another note, for someone entering d-school now, there is a good chance that by the time the 4 years is up, that gay individuals will be allowed and the don't ask, don't tell policy will no longer be valid since openly gay individuals might be allowed. If this ends up being the case, the "I'm gay" tactic would no longer work.
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I know your answer was tongue in cheek, but its not as easy as that.
I think three things need to happen:
1) You announce it.
2) You are documented in an act.
3) You make an attempt to enjoin in a union.
Even then, its up to the chain of command to pursue it. If you annoounce it and your chain of command does nothing, or you don't fulfill the other requirements, you've just made your life a whole lot more miserable (assuming you're not gay of course). But you might make a whole bunch of new friends.
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I think that those who don't want to serve after taking a commitment should be required to pay back the money plus 10% interest all in one lump sum. I'd rather have a guy give the money back with interest than have a disgruntled individual drag down the moral of a unit for 2-4 years. There are two people I hate serving with: 1. The lazy or those who talk about dentistry but actually do very little of it. These kind of people come to work and try to figure out how to do as little dentistry as possible and then leave at quitting time fooling themselves that they worked hard that day. 2. Those who feel cornered in the military and thus drag down the moral and productivity of a unit. These kind of people don't put their heart and mind into improving, helping, and serving the people we are asked to serve. They often fall into the number 1 category.
I think we who serve in the military could do a lot more with less dentists, especially if the above two type of dentists were gone. The above kind eat up a lot of commander/supervisor time and they constantly drag down moral. I think you could make the dental corp an elite corp if you had to prove yourself all the time or you were asked to seek other employment. We could get rid of the fat and have a lean, mean, fun, productive corp that would be an honor in which to serve. I think the military is crazy to force people to serve. It just cages in the disgruntled, wastes tons of money and resources, and hurts those who want to work hard and serve with honor. Just my two cents.....
I think we who serve in the military could do a lot more with less dentists, especially if the above two type of dentists were gone. The above kind eat up a lot of commander/supervisor time and they constantly drag down moral. I think you could make the dental corp an elite corp if you had to prove yourself all the time or you were asked to seek other employment. We could get rid of the fat and have a lean, mean, fun, productive corp that would be an honor in which to serve. I think the military is crazy to force people to serve. It just cages in the disgruntled, wastes tons of money and resources, and hurts those who want to work hard and serve with honor. Just my two cents.....
One big problem with this. If you reduce the number of dentists in the corp, where do you get the additional dentists you need to perform the needed work? Contract employees take those spots. The issue is, contract dentists and GS employees don't deploy, so you'll be left with a bunch of awesome dentists who spend their entire 20 years on deployment. This is one of the biggest issues facing military dentistry right now.
