Rejected post II MMI. Tips?

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I had 5 MMI II, got rejected at 4 and deferred at another (2 are my top choices). I either practiced scenarios with my friends or watch youtube videos on how to approach the question. 2 of the 5 MMI I walked out feeling pretty good...but then straight out rejected.

I am just at loss because I had few traditional interviews too and I either got waitlisted or accepted...instead of straight out rejected. I know I am fortunate to have acceptances already but I just want to see how other candidates approach their MMI. Obviously, 4/5 straight rejections and 1 deferral mean I did something wrong.
 
How did you formulate answers to the questions? What was the composition of your answers?
 
I watched youtube video from Course grinder...For ethical and situational scenarios, I tried to avoid the extreme, pick my side and provide my rationale.
 
Stats? Even after getting an ii, stats are factored into the decision
 
Stats? Even after getting an ii, stats are factored into the decision
I doubt that is the cause. OP wouldn't have received invites if the school felt the stats were insufficient.

OP, something about your answers is obviously off. Do you think any of them could have come off as wishy washy?
 
I watched youtube video from Course grinder...For ethical and situational scenarios, I tried to avoid the extreme, pick my side and provide my rationale.
You must have picked the wrong side lol

In seriousness, maybe you came off too formulaic when giving your thoughts on the scenario.
 
rejected or waitlisted?
 
rejected or waitlisted?

I had 5 MMI, I am already rejected 4/5 and one deferral (though this school is known to not reject after II until spring so that is most likely a rejection too.)
I had some traditional IIs too and I got accepted into some. So I can not be terribly suck at interview...yet something about MMI that I did terribly on. I know I should not expect to get accepted into every schools I interviewed at but 4/5 straight rejection after MMI meant I did something really wrong.

You must have picked the wrong side lol

In seriousness, maybe you came off too formulaic when giving your thoughts on the scenario.

Maybe...it is suck when the schools do not provide feedback. I just want to know what I did wrong...not just once...5 times...to improve myself in case I have to experience the MMI again..since it seems like a lot of schools use MMI now.

I doubt that is the cause. OP wouldn't have received invites if the school felt the stats were insufficient.

OP, something about your answers is obviously off. Do you think any of them could have come off as wishy washy?

Maybe...speed dating is just not for me🙁

Stats? Even after getting an ii, stats are factored into the decision

3.8/ 31.
 
I watched youtube video from Course grinder...For ethical and situational scenarios, I tried to avoid the extreme, pick my side and provide my rationale.

I found this book was pretty decent for mmi prep

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Multiple Mini Interviews. Instead of the standard one faculty/one student interview, there are multiple stations that you rotate through and sometimes have to complete tasks, answer a question, explain your thoughts on an ethics topic, and many other little things like that.
 
Were you rambling a lot when you ran out of things to say? Sometimes interviewers will try to change your mind after you pick a side. Did you stick with your side and provide good reasons? Do you think you sounded too robotic when answering? In my MMI experience there are some of the things I've noticed that could go wrong. MMI is tough to gauge because of the minimal feedback you get from the interviewer. I can only imagine your frustration :/
 
Were you rambling a lot when you ran out of things to say? Sometimes interviewers will try to change your mind after you pick a side. Did you stick with your side and provide good reasons? Do you think you sounded too robotic when answering? In my MMI experience there are some of the things I've noticed that could go wrong. MMI is tough to gauge because of the minimal feedback you get from the interviewer. I can only imagine your frustration :/
For the first two I did rambled but not for the last two. I got used to the format and became more confident. I think I stuck with my side and provided it with good reasons. Not sure about whether I sounded robotic though. It is hard to say unless I record myself...but when I practiced with friends, they said I sounded pretty well picking up a side and backing it up. Thank for your feedback.
 
Multiple Mini Interviews. Instead of the standard one faculty/one student interview, there are multiple stations that you rotate through and sometimes have to complete tasks, answer a question, explain your thoughts on an ethics topic, and many other little things like that.


What kind of tasks would they have applicants perform?
 
My med school advisor does MMIs. She knows the questions from the school are posted online and she knows people rehearse them. That's why she tries to throw people off their scripts as they are answering.

So let's say you know MySchool has an MMI question about how you would treat a 90 year old man in renal failure who has a DNR order but whose daughter is pushing him to reconsider. You research treatment outcomes, you go and do your due diligence on how DNRs work, and maybe you even look up how much Medicare spends on the last days of life. You walk in, state your rehearsed piece, and all my advisor knows is 1) you have gotten access to info you shouldn't have and 2) you can memorize info to spit out like any other test. Hooray!

She might ask you how you would react if you learned the DNR was signed while he was severely depressed five years ago, but he was subsequently treated with excellent results; however, he never "took back" the DNR and now he has dementia. She might ask whether you would reconsider if he were 75 years old instead of 90. She might ask you to lay out the quality vs. quantity of life argument. She needs to get around all preparation you did in order to figure out the real you. She's not doing it to be nasty. She's doing it to assess your qualifications to be a clinician.

TL;DR: you might be overpreparing for specifics and not actually sitting around and thinking about medicine, your ethics, your approach to the universe, etc. You may not agree with what the interviewer, but if you can be logical and thoughtful without relying on a script, you'll go farther.
 
I had 5 MMI II, got rejected at 4 and deferred at another (2 are my top choices). I either practiced scenarios with my friends or watch youtube videos on how to approach the question. 2 of the 5 MMI I walked out feeling pretty good...but then straight out rejected.

I am just at loss because I had few traditional interviews too and I either got waitlisted or accepted...instead of straight out rejected. I know I am fortunate to have acceptances already but I just want to see how other candidates approach their MMI. Obviously, 4/5 straight rejections and 1 deferral mean I did something wrong.

Well congratulations for your acceptance! I think it's awesome that you are still seeking to better yourself. Why don't you just ask others for your feedback. When I did, I was told I can be really awkward/formal when talking and I realized that for me, it gets worse when I'm under pressure. I think that's more of a traditional interview problem though so towards the end Id like to say I relaxed a bit more. For you, if I were to venture a guess on your problem, I think. You over prepare and came off as too rehearsed. I think MMIs are suited for people who are good at thinking on their feet as opposed to those who plan each move out. (Not that those people are less intelligent, I just think the MMI favors the former).

As for MMIs, which I actually prefer, I excelled. I think the key to them is just being knowledgeable about important issues/current events (especially in medicine) and to have good critical thinking/reasoning skills. I personally felt no pressure because I had responses for every scenario and I'm generally a sensitive, introspective, and empathetic person so when it came to empathizing in the role play scenarios or evaluating my strengths and weaknesses after an activity, I was pretty good.

One big thing that helped me going from my first MMI (actually in college when I applied unsuccessfully to be an RA) to my other two were a knowledge of how they worked. If you haven't figured it out after 5, you should know that in the 8 stations, there's always going to be 1-2 where the person purposefully tries to make life hard for you. They'll challenge your views in a seemingly off-putting manner, pretend to be an adamant patient, or just continually ask you to defend your position while maintaining a stoic face. You can generally recognize these right off the back by the expression the standardized person reciprocates to you when you enter the room and smile. The key to doing well in these scenarios is to just be calm, maintain your position, be polite, and don't say anything stupid NO MATTER WHAT. Also, if you're generally a happy, super bubbly person and the person is being super stoic, don't match his or her attitude...but like tone your friendliness down a bit. (One stupid interviewer thought I was unable of recognizing the seriousness of the event when he was being super stoic and challenging the whole time while I maintained my cheerful demeanor...I was like no, you were just being a rude person for some reason and I wasn't going to let that effect me). As for the tough MMIs though, I'm always surprised at the number of people who I talk to after the MMI is over who fail at this and start complaining that one of their MMIs was a nightmare. I'm like, they were testing you!!!
 
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What kind of tasks would they have applicants perform?

If I recall correctly, I think some schools can have interviewees like maybe write a paragraph regarding a situation, act out something, and other little things like that. I also might be completely mistaken, so take that with a grain of salt 😛
 
There are a bunch of MMI books and MMI mock interview providers. If you have more MMI interviews, I'd suggest looking into those. Otherwise, enjoy your current acceptances.
 
Good lord, these interviews sound ridiculous and horrible. Glad I never had to do that.
I had 2 MMI experiences - 1 was horrible, 1 was fine. Got the hang of it the second time around. Definitely threw me off my game the first time around.
 
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Good lord, these interviews sound ridiculous and horrible. Glad I never had to do that.


I feel the same way.

Are the interviewers for the MMI's faculty? Students? both?
 
It's a process that started at the U of Edmonton and there's published data showing that it actually selects for more empathic people. I think I've seen PubMed references showing that residencies use them a lot.


Good lord, these interviews sound ridiculous and horrible. Glad I never had to do that.
 
One of my MMIs had a bunch of "actors" and then a third party observer. IT was sort of creepy for me, being "watched". It was very contrived, as I'm not into play acting. Did not like it at all. The second MMI was really just scenarios that you discussed with an interviewer (really a bunch of mini interviews). That one was fine.
 
It's a process that started at the U of Edmonton and there's published data showing that it actually selects for more empathic people. I think I've seen PubMed references showing that residencies use them a lot.

@Goro, McMaster developed the MMI (and they sell it commercially). There are publications to support its use. Nearly every Canadian MD program uses it as a significant portion (~50% score) of their admissions decisions.
 
@Goro, McMaster developed the MMI (and they sell it commercially). There are publications to support its use. Nearly every Canadian MD program uses it as a significant portion (~50% score) of their admissions decisions.

I think there are even some schools as high as 70% or in some cases the interview is 100% ... the grades/MCAT are just used as cutoffs.
 
My school uses a group interview...we don't have the resources to do MMI.

I took a fair amount of management theory/HR as part of my masters, and generally I'm pretty unimpressed with that type of research (eg - "empathy" or any other character trait as a quantifiable variable). But I guess if you find it useful that's probably why you use it.I never experienced it as a resident, and that's probably a good thing. I feel like it would just annoy me.

My apologies; My recollection is based upon what someone at MUCOM told me.

Isn't it University of Alberta? University of Edmonton sounds so weird =P.
Yes there are a lot of evidence for MMIs being somewhat more useful over panel to select for desired applicants. It also makes applicants think ahead of time about higher level thinking with respect to social, political, and health issues. I personally really like this over having a panel ask more generic questions.



McMaster developed the MMI (and they sell it commercially). There are publications to support its use. Nearly every Canadian MD program uses it as a significant portion (~50% score) of their admissions decisions.
 
My school uses a group interview...we don't have the resources to do MMI.



My apologies; My recollection is based upon what someone at MUCOM told me.

Isn't it University of Alberta? University of Edmonton sounds so weird =P.
Yes there are a lot of evidence for MMIs being somewhat more useful over panel to select for desired applicants. It also makes applicants think ahead of time about higher level thinking with respect to social, political, and health issues. I personally really like this over having a panel ask more generic questions.



McMaster developed the MMI (and they sell it commercially). There are publications to support its use. Nearly every Canadian MD program uses it as a significant portion (~50% score) of their admissions decisions.

It's just so funny because my classmates talked about the same thing... how awkward it would sound. Funny coincidence.
 
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