Rejection Rescinded???

[787593]

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[sammiesings]

Has anyone ever received a rejection from a medical school (pre-interview) and later an interview invite? For instance, they realized they made a mistake or something. Sorry for sounding desperate, and sorry if this has been asked before. Thanks!

I think I have seen a do school and Tulane do so while browsing sdn/mdapplicants. What school are you asking specifically about?

 

[DameJulie]

I would love those schools but chances are unlikely.
Hope the schools who have rejected me so far would reconsider my application for a possible secondary/II.
However, I would think that a rejection is a final decision, otherwise it would be more likely to be "on-hold for consideration." Likewise, for those schools acceptance can be rescinded, right?

 

[787593]

I think I have seen a do school and Tulane do so while browsing sdn/mdapplicants. What school are you asking specifically about?

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[787593]

I would love those schools but chances are unlikely.
Hope the schools who have rejected me so far would reconsider my application for a possible secondary/II.
However, I would think that a rejection is a final decision, otherwise it would be more likely to be "on-hold for consideration." Likewise, for those schools acceptance can be rescinded, right?

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[sammiesings]

Nothing specific, just wondering how often mistakes are made... It's an interesting idea haha

Yeah I've literally only seen it mentioned twice and I took it with a grain of salt. I think the Tulane rejection was a lie. Considering they get 11k applications, I doubt they'd go back to a candidate they'd already rejected. The do one, I remember the story being that they were rejected pre secondary, then got a secondary randomly. Hard to say what happened there.

I probably wouldn't hold my breath though. I don't think rejections are made lightly but even so, there are so many great applicants that adcom probably doesn't get "buyer's remorse"in reverse about applicants lol

 

[DameJulie]

That's a good point. I'm pretty sure acceptances can be rescinded but idk how/why.

most if not all acceptances are conditional, meaning as long as you get into trouble criminally or legally or academically, they shouldn't reverse your acceptance. I was more referring to for example when a school accepts you initially, then reject you because they found other more qualified applicants.

 

[Dr. Jan Itor]

I wouldn't imagine that most schools would look at your application again after a rejection since they have thousands to go through. Maybe the stories of it happening are after an update letter or phone call?


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[787593]

most if not all acceptances are conditional, meaning as long as you get into trouble criminally or legally or academically, they shouldn't reverse your acceptance. I was more referring to for example when a school accepts you initially, then reject you because they found other more qualified applicants.

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[787593]

I wouldn't imagine that most schools would look at your application again after a rejection since they have thousands to go through. Maybe the stories of it happening are after an update letter or phone call?


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[787593]

Yeah I've literally only seen it mentioned twice and I took it with a grain of salt. I think the Tulane rejection was a lie. Considering they get 11k applications, I doubt they'd go back to a candidate they'd already rejected. The do one, I remember the story being that they were rejected pre secondary, then got a secondary randomly. Hard to say what happened there.

I probably wouldn't hold my breath though. I don't think rejections are made lightly but even so, there are so many great applicants that adcom probably doesn't get "buyer's remorse"in reverse about applicants lol

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[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

most if not all acceptances are conditional, meaning as long as you get into trouble criminally or legally or academically, they shouldn't reverse your acceptance. I was more referring to for example when a school accepts you initially, then reject you because they found other more qualified applicants.

That doesn't make sense to me. The adcoms here have said repeatedly that you are not competing with other applicants for seats once you get to the interview stage, just yourself (i.e., if two qualified applicants make it to the interview, the school can accept them both).

 

[bananafish94]

I don't know about this, but I know that one school last year sent like five rejection emails for some reason.

 

[gyngyn]

There are rare circumstances in which a rejected applicant is interviewed at the request of a donor. Awkward.

 

[sammiesings]

There are rare circumstances in which a rejected applicant is interviewed at the request of a donor. Awkward.

And there's no chance they'll be offered an acceptance? What if the donor asks for that? Isn't that at least, unethical? And/or illegal/prohibited in some way

 

[Goro]

The donor will be politely told polite reasons why the candidate couldn't be admitted.

And there's no chance they'll be offered an acceptance? What if the donor asks for that? Isn't that at least, unethical? And/or illegal/prohibited in some way

 

[LizzyM]

I have second hand knowledge of this happening at one public school a couple years ago. The school was plucking OOS applicants who lived in the area for interviews in June (!) to fill the class and to fill the state's coffers with OOS tuition. Someone I know IRL was rejected pre-interivew, then interviewed and was admitted almost on the spot to start a few weeks later.

 

[DameJulie]

Your latter point is terrifying 😱

That doesn't make sense to me. The adcoms here have said repeatedly that you are not competing with other applicants for seats once you get to the interview stage, just yourself (i.e., if two qualified applicants make it to the interview, the school can accept them both).

I was being hypothetical. My point is, if the schools can reverse their rejection, then that means the acceptances can probably be reversed too.

 

[LizzyM]

I was being hypothetical. My point is, if the schools can reverse their rejection, then that means the acceptances can probably be reversed too.

Acceptances can certainly be reversed up until the point when you matriculate. After that, you can be expelled. There is a rather infamous case of a DO applicant whose offer of admission was pulled in November after an unsavory posting cropped up on social media. I've also heard of a MD candidate who behaved badly at second look (intoxicated, boorish) who was told the offer had been rescinded. Clearly an IA or criminal record after an offer is made can be grounds for rescinding the offer of admission. So can a poor academic record in the term(s) after the offer is made (usually this means a very low semester GPA or the failing of courses).

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Acceptances can certainly be reversed up until the point when you matriculate. After that, you can be expelled. There is a rather infamous case of a DO applicant whose offer of admission was pulled in November after an unsavory posting cropped up on social media. I've also heard of a MD candidate who behaved badly at second look (intoxicated, boorish) who was told the offer had been rescinded. Clearly an IA or criminal record after an offer is made can be grounds for rescinding the offer of admission. So can a poor academic record in the term(s) after the offer is made (usually this means a very low semester GPA or the failing of courses).

It would be violation of virtually every schools admission policies, which are part of LCME accreditation, to be accepted and the later rejected for a better candidate. While all acceptances are conditional, it takes an action (or inaction) on the part of the acceptee to be have acceptance rescinded. In addition to the obvious criminal issues, acceptance can be formally rescinded for a myriad of seeming trivial "administrative" issues such as missing course on final pre-matriculation transcript, financial aid issues, etc. While the vast majority of schools will defer you in cases like that, be aware they could rescind acceptance.

What I figured. That actually makes sense.

 

[gyngyn]

And there's no chance they'll be offered an acceptance? What if the donor asks for that? Isn't that at least, unethical? And/or illegal/prohibited in some way

This is called a "courtesy interview." Ironically, the donor is the one to whom the courtesy is extended. In my experience, it has not converted a rejection into an acceptance.

 

[happyducky]

I was rejected from Mayo AZ campus in June (they don't have secondaries, only a screen for LOR request and II) but then just got a LOR request this a.m. Apparently so did a handful of applicants on SDN! Mayo sent out an email clarifying that they're reopening applications due to new leadership.

Does that count as having a rejection rescinded? Either way, I'm ecstatic!

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I was rejected from Mayo AZ campus in June (they don't have secondaries, only a screen for LOR request and II) but then just got a LOR request this a.m. Apparently so did a handful of applicants on SDN! Mayo sent out an email clarifying that they're reopening applications due to new leadership.

Does that count as having a rejection rescinded? Either way, I'm ecstatic!

Sure does! Congrats.

 

[hawthorn9797]

It would be violation of virtually every schools admission policies, which are part of LCME accreditation, to be accepted and the later rejected for a better candidate. While all acceptances are conditional, it takes an action (or inaction) on the part of the acceptee to be have acceptance rescinded. In addition to the obvious criminal issues, acceptance can be formally rescinded for a myriad of seeming trivial "administrative" issues such as missing course on final pre-matriculation transcript, financial aid issues, etc. While the vast majority of schools will defer you in cases like that, be aware they could rescind acceptance.

when you say criminal issues, does this mean a new criminal issue or them finding a non-serious misdemeanor (i.e drinking underage) on the background check? asking because this very well could be my situation in the coming months, I am not sure if it will show up but am now regretting not being 100% transparent initially. thanks

 

[sammiesings]

I was rejected from Mayo AZ campus in June (they don't have secondaries, only a screen for LOR request and II) but then just got a LOR request this a.m. Apparently so did a handful of applicants on SDN! Mayo sent out an email clarifying that they're reopening applications due to new leadership.

Does that count as having a rejection rescinded? Either way, I'm ecstatic!

congrats happyducky!! bet you're a happy ducky today, eh 😉

interested to know what @gonnif @Goro @LizzyM etc crew think of mayo doing this though.

is it likely they underestimated how large they'd need the pool to be to fill out both campus'? or more likely that the new dean is changing up how they screen?

 

[LizzyM]

congrats happyducky!! bet you're a happyducky today, eh 😉

interested to know what @gonnif @Goro @LizzyM etc crew think of mayo doing this though.

is it likely they underestimated how large they'd need the pool to be to fill out both campus'? or more likely that the new dean is changing up how they screen?

Did Mayo actually send a "we're sorry we are turning you down. Good luck with your endeavors." kiss off letter? That would be different than not asking for LORs and therefore signalling that you are not advancing to the next level and then suddenly being advanced to the next level.

 

[sammiesings]

Did Mayo actually send a "we're sorry we are turning you down. Good luck with your endeavors." kiss off letter? That would be different than not asking for LORs and therefore signalling that you are not advancing to the next level and then suddenly being advanced to the next level.

the former. They rejected a large pool of folks prior to LORr a couple months ago, went radio silent on iis, sent out a huge batch of invites and then a week later randomly "unrejected" a large pool and asked them for LORs

 

[happyducky]

Did Mayo actually send a "we're sorry we are turning you down. Good luck with your endeavors." kiss off letter? That would be different than not asking for LORs and therefore signalling that you are not advancing to the next level and then suddenly being advanced to the next level.

They did. Their exact phrasing was 'We wish you well in your future pursuits and offer you our best wishes for success in your career. Once again, thank you for your interest in Mayo Medical School.'

I pretty much sulked for a minute and then moved on with my life, until now 🙂

 

[CMVpromoter]

It would be violation of virtually every schools admission policies, which are part of LCME accreditation, to be accepted and the later rejected for a better candidate. While all acceptances are conditional, it takes an action (or inaction) on the part of the acceptee to be have acceptance rescinded. In addition to the obvious criminal issues, acceptance can be formally rescinded for a myriad of seeming trivial "administrative" issues such as missing course on final pre-matriculation transcript, financial aid issues, etc. While the vast majority of schools will defer you in cases like that, be aware they could rescind acceptance.

I can understand all the other issues, but what kind of "financial aid issues" would lead to an acceptance being rescinded?

 

[LizzyM]

They did. Their exact phrasing was 'We wish you well in your future pursuits and offer you our best wishes for success in your career. Once again, thank you for your interest in Mayo Medical School.'

I pretty much sulked for a minute and then moved on with my life, until now 🙂

That is totally bizarre and suggests that someone made a huge strategic error. This is why some schools will leave you hanging until the end rather than cutting bait too early and having to say "sorry, you are looking far better at closing time than I initially believed could be the case." Of course, it isn't even close to closing time but you know what I mean.

 

[freak7]

Did Mayo actually send a "we're sorry we are turning you down. Good luck with your endeavors." kiss off letter? That would be different than not asking for LORs and therefore signalling that you are not advancing to the next level and then suddenly being advanced to the next level.

Check out the Mayo threads today. They're pretty bananas.

 

[sammiesings]

That is totally bizarre and suggests that someone made a huge strategic error. This is why some schools will leave you hanging until the end rather than cutting bait too early and having to say "sorry, you are looking far better at closing time than I initially believed could be the case." Of course, it isn't even close to closing time but you know what I mean.

very bizarre indeed! some folks seem to believe the new dean may have changed up how he'd like to screen, but you'd think that would have happened prior to the start of the cycle.

definitely sounds more likely that they made some major booboo in the actual rejection process...

 

[hawthorn9797]

Your issue isnt old/new criminal acts. Your issue is for certifying application accurate and truthful when it was not

I understand, thank you for the comment. I was under the assumption that the ticket had been removed from my permanent record and would not be an issue. Have you seen any situations like this where people have successfully explained the situation or is if always an immediate revocation of the acceptance? Thanks

 

[Psai]

Almost never happens op but there have been cases in the recent past (I think it was within 10 years) where schools were way too selective and had to go back to the rejected pile to get some people to interview. There have also been times when schools overadmit and had to bribe their potential matriculants to defer a year. I can't remember them off the top of my head though but I'm sure someone else knows.

 

[freak7]

Almost never happens op but there have been cases in the recent past (I think it was within 10 years) where schools were way too selective and had to go back to the rejected pile to get some people to interview. There have also been times when schools overadmit and had to bribe their potential matriculants to defer a year. I can't remember them off the top of my head though but I'm sure someone else knows.

Oof, those admissions deans probably had some explaining to do.

 

[hawthorn9797]

Depending on the circumstances, they usually ask you to explain to the dean, who are a sadistic bunch bent on humilating you to the fullest before giving you a swift boot....

just joshing, probably just asked to explain and I doubt it will get your acceptance revoked. I would worry about it...much

Thank you again for the advise!

 

[Goro]

Yup. As I mentioned earlier, candidates are given a polite interview, followed by a polite spot ont he wait list, followed by an even more polite rejection.

This is called a "courtesy interview." Ironically, the donor is the one to whom the courtesy is extended. In my experience, it has not converted a rejection into an acceptance.

Touro-NY did this in a pretty spectacularly incompetent way this past cycle, and I believe that Stanford or another CA schools overbooked very recently as well.

These types occurrences are usually followed by the firing to the Admissions dean.

There have also been times when schools overadmit and had to bribe their potential matriculants to defer a year. I can't remember them off the top of my head though but I'm sure someone else knows.

 

[sammiesings]

Yup. As I mentioned earlier, candidates are given a polite interview, followed by a polite spot ont he wait list, followed by an even more polite rejection.




Touro-NY did this in a pretty spectacularly incompetent way this past cycle, and I believe that Stanford or another CA schools overbooked very recently as well.

These types occurrences are usually followed by the firing to the Admissions dean.

surprised that that is really a fire-able offense! how can the dean know for sure how many folks will drop off when they offer their acceptances at the get? it makes sense that many kids offered at stanford matriculate at the ivy's instead. isn't it sort of random what year stanford (or the like) become the popular choice?

 

[redferrari]

I know of a school that actually accepted rejected applicants when they ran out of people on the waitlist. That school now has a waitlist twice as big.

 

[gyngyn]

surprised that that is really a fire-able offense! how can the dean know for sure how many folks will drop off when they offer their acceptances at the get? it makes sense that many kids offered at stanford matriculate at the ivy's instead. isn't it sort of random what year stanford (or the like) become the popular choice?

That is what they are paid to do.
It's just statistical analysis based on historical data.

 

[sammiesings]

That is what they are paid to do.
It's just statistical analysis based on historical data.

makes sense. but if they have an outlier year would they be at fault or would that be a wash? my guess is it would depend on various other factors...

 

[gyngyn]

makes sense. but if they have an outlier year would they be at fault or would that be a wash? my guess is it would depend on various other factors...

It's just math. Math accounts for variablity

 

[Goro]

Unlike the airlines, who can just basically say "Ooops, we overbooked. F you, and you can take the midnight flight instead", med schools are required to seat those students. So they have to ask them to defer, often offering form scholarship money to sweeten the pot. Hence the head-rolling for the Admissions dean.

How they actually manage to avoid overbooking each year is a Hogwarts-quality Dark Art. "Historical norms" is the term they keep bandying about.

surprised that that is really a fire-able offense! how can the dean know for sure how many folks will drop off when they offer their acceptances at the get? it makes sense that many kids offered at stanford matriculate at the ivy's instead. isn't it sort of random what year stanford (or the like) become the popular choice?

 

[mw18]

Almost never happens op but there have been cases in the recent past (I think it was within 10 years) where schools were way too selective and had to go back to the rejected pile to get some people to interview. There have also been times when schools overadmit and had to bribe their potential matriculants to defer a year. I can't remember them off the top of my head though but I'm sure someone else knows.

Touro-NY did this in a pretty spectacularly incompetent way this past cycle, and I believe that Stanford or another CA schools overbooked very recently as well.

These types occurrences are usually followed by the firing to the Admissions dean.

It was definitely Stanford. Sometime between 2011-2014 I believe. I heard it was a direct result of and followed a brisk rise in USNWR, but I don't know for sure.

 

[787593]

I was rejected from Mayo AZ campus in June (they don't have secondaries, only a screen for LOR request and II) but then just got a LOR request this a.m. Apparently so did a handful of applicants on SDN! Mayo sent out an email clarifying that they're reopening applications due to new leadership.

Does that count as having a rejection rescinded? Either way, I'm ecstatic!

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[CMVpromoter]

You dont get approved for a federal loan; there is no requirement for a school to defer an acceptance because the acceptee couldnt get a loan approval. I would venture to say that most last minute WL acceptances are due to this

What sort of issues contribute to not getting approval for a federal loan? Is it mainly bad credit? I'm asking out of curiosity because it just seems horrible to rescind someone's acceptance simply because of their financial situation!

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

What sort of issues contribute to not getting approval for a federal loan? Is it mainly bad credit? I'm asking mainly for curiosity.. it just seems horrible to rescind someone's acceptance simply because of their financial situation!

Someone has to pay.

 

[Nommonnom]

It was definitely Stanford. Sometime between 2011-2014 I believe. I heard it was a direct result of and followed a brisk rise in USNWR, but I don't know for sure.

One year a Stanford dean wrote to USNWR asking them to change methodology. They did and Stanford went to #2.

 

[Dr. Stalker]

The donor will be politely told polite reasons why the candidate couldn't be admitted.

One of my favorite goroisms is "the applicant will get a polite interview, followed by a very polite waitlist, and finally, a polite rejection"

 

[freak7]

One of my favorite goroisms is "the applicant will get a polite interview, followed by a very polite waitlist, and finally, a polite rejection"

I believe it goes "... an even more polite rejection"