Rejection thread

[PMR2008]

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How about a rejection thread. I will start

"The Super Six"
RIC:
Kessler:
U of Washington:
Spaulding:
Baylor Houston:
Mayo:


Albert Einstein:
Carolinas:
Columbia/Cornell:
East Carolina:
Emory:
EVMS:
Indiana University:
JFK:
Loyola:
LSU:
Marianjoy:
MCV/VCU:
MCW:
MetroHealth:
Mt. Sinai:
Nassau:
North Shore-LIJ:
NYU (Rusk):
Ohio State: PMR2008
Rush:
St. Vincent:
Stony Brook:
Temple:
Thomas Jefferson:
U of AB:
U Baylor:
U of Cali-Irvine:
U of Chicago (Schwab):
U of Cincinnati:
U of Colorado:
U of Kansas:
U of Kentucky:
U of Michigan:
U of Minnesota:
U of Missouri- Colombia:
U of NC:
U of Penn:
U of Pitt:
UT Southwestern (Dallas):
U of Virginia:
U of Wisconsin:
Wayne State:
William Beaumont:

 

[docmd]

"The Super Six"
RIC:
Kessler:
U of Washington:
Spaulding:
Baylor Houston:
Mayo:


Albert Einstein:
Carolinas:
Columbia/Cornell:
East Carolina:
Emory:
EVMS:
Indiana University:
JFK:
Loyola:
LSU:
Marianjoy:
MCV/VCU:
MCW: docmd
Mt. Sinai:
Nassau:
North Shore-LIJ:
NYU (Rusk):
Ohio State: PMR2008
Rush:
St. Vincent:
Stony Brook:
Temple:
Thomas Jefferson:
U of AB:
U Baylor:
U of Cali-Irvine:
U of Chicago (Schwab):
U of Cincinnati:
U of Colorado:
U of Kansas:
U of Kentucky:
U of Michigan:
U of Minnesota:
U of Missouri- Colombia:
U of NC:
U of Penn:
U of Pitt:
UT Southwestern (Dallas):
U of Virginia:
U of Wisconsin:
Wayne State:
William Beaumont:

 

[HSCCVCRU]

"The Super Six"
RIC:
Kessler:
U of Washington:
Spaulding:
Baylor Houston:
Mayo:


Albert Einstein:
Carolinas:
Columbia/Cornell:
East Carolina:
Emory:
EVMS:
Indiana University:
JFK:
Loyola:
LSU:
Marianjoy:
MCV/VCU:
MCW: docmd
Mt. Sinai:
Nassau:
North Shore-LIJ:
NYU (Rusk):
Ohio State: PMR2008
Rush:
St. Vincent:
Stony Brook:
Temple:
Thomas Jefferson:HSCCVCRU
U of AB:
U Baylor:
U of Cali-Irvine:
U of Chicago (Schwab):
U of Cincinnati:
U of Colorado:
U of Kansas:
U of Kentucky:
U of Michigan:
U of Minnesota:
U of Missouri- Colombia:
U of NC:
U of Penn:
U of Pitt:
UT Southwestern (Dallas):
U of Virginia:
U of Wisconsin:
Wayne State:
William Beaumont:

 

[Ligament]

Spaulding does not belong in the same ranking as the other "super six" its good but not THAT good.

"The Super Six"
RIC:
Kessler:
U of Washington:
Spaulding:
Baylor Houston:
Mayo:


Albert Einstein:
Carolinas:
Columbia/Cornell:
East Carolina:
Emory:
EVMS:
Indiana University:
JFK:
Loyola:
LSU:
Marianjoy:
MCV/VCU:
MCW: docmd
Mt. Sinai:
Nassau:
North Shore-LIJ:
NYU (Rusk):
Ohio State: PMR2008
Rush:
St. Vincent:
Stony Brook:
Temple:
Thomas Jefferson:HSCCVCRU
U of AB:
U Baylor:
U of Cali-Irvine:
U of Chicago (Schwab):
U of Cincinnati:
U of Colorado:
U of Kansas:
U of Kentucky:
U of Michigan:
U of Minnesota:
U of Missouri- Colombia:
U of NC:
U of Penn:
U of Pitt:
UT Southwestern (Dallas):
U of Virginia:
U of Wisconsin:
Wayne State:
William Beaumont:

 

[savealife]

Ligament,

How can you be sure of this? I would like to know how people designated the so-called "super six" in the first place? For example, I've heard great things about the University of Michigan's program; why isn't it "super"? And, unless you spent time at Spaulding, how can you be sure it doesn't compare to the other five programs listed?

I ask these questions for advice/knowledge, as I'm currently applying to all of these programs and I'd like to know what the basis of these rankings is.

-savealife

 

[joseppi]

the whole "super six" is by no means anything bonefide. Originally called fab five - It was a designation by some applicants a couple years ago- just one persons opinion with some others confirming their preferences. If you read through the archived interview threads or ranking/invite threads you'll see its evolution. (i believe 2005-6, can't remeber exactly and I tried a search but don't have alot of time to devote to it)

The rankings for PM & R are somewhat personal- what one person sees in a program as a top spot for them may be much different for the next person.

As for Spaulding - its reputation is much linked to its institution which has a known reputation, which doesn't necessarily reflect the PM & R department. Unfortunately this is what people out PMR may see, oh.... you went to Harvard, Stanford, Hopkins what ever the case may be. As we know these aren't generally regarded as "top programs."

Once interviews start - the candidantes should post their comments about the programs, likes/ dislike, etc.... in an interview trail thread. 😀 I know this helped me in the past trying to get ideas about which programs I thought would be a top fit for myself.

 

[fozzy40]

I believe that the "super six" are based on US News and World Report Hospital rankings. These programs seem to be the more "popular" and interview stingy, which translates to medical professionals as competitive programs. These programs are well-rounded in my opinion and are paired with outstanding facilities. Like others have said, this list is does not include some of the other great programs out there.

fozzy40

 

[joseppi]

I believe that the "super six" are based on US News and World Report Hospital rankings. These programs seem to be the more "popular" and interview stingy, which translates to medical professionals as competitive programs. These programs are well-rounded in my opinion and are paired with outstanding facilities. Like others have said, this list is does not include some of the other great programs out there.

fozzy40

Just so everyone is clear - the US News "rankings" are also very sujective. Based only on reputaion - whatever that may be. I wouldn't based my decisions solely by these "rankings." PM & R is one of the fields were a good fit is most important. You can get a good education most anywhere if you apply yourself.

Below is the cut and paste from their report.
(see thier methodology in full report if interested, 😴 rehab final listing is on pg 92 for 2007 list and Spaulding is actually #8)

http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/best-hospitals/methodology_report.pdf

U.S. News Score

"Calculated for hospitals in 12 specialties to summarize overall quality of inpatient care. One third of each hospital's score is based on reputation, one third on mortality, and one third on a mix of other factors that varies by specialty, such as number of discharges, nursing care, and technology. A score of 100 is assigned to each specialty's top-ranked hospital. In four other specialties (Ophthalmology, Psychiatry, Rehabilitation, and Rheumatology), ranking is determined solely by reputation."

 

[ampaphb]

I believe that the "super six" are based on US News and World Report Hospital rankings. These programs seem to be the more "popular" and interview stingy, which translates to medical professionals as competitive programs. These programs are well-rounded in my opinion and are paired with outstanding facilities. Like others have said, this list is does not include some of the other great programs out there.

fozzy40

pretty much NONE of that is accurate, just so you know

1) has nothing to do with the US NEWS ranking of hospitals
2) many are some of the mroe generous re interveiws, given the size of their programs (Baylor in particular)
3) other than mayo, and to a leeser extent RIC, most are inpatient heavy, and not terribly interventionally focused

 

[murphles]

My experience with RIC grads-inpatient experienced, clueless outpatient- (may have changed recently)
My experience with Spaulding-mostly they relied on "harvard" rather than training-but smart
My experience with Washington-smart and well trained
My experience with NJ grads-opportunists, (my experience limited)- does not mean they are not well trained. My understanding is that east coast is an extremely competive market
My experience with Mayo and Michigan-extremely well trained, Michigan better with inpatient, mayo and michigan-same with outpatient
Baylor grads never go north.... 🙂

All of these programs have extremly good training and with a good program and a good resident, it is ALWAY POSSIBLE FOR AN INTERESTED TRAINEE TO GET AN EXEMPLARY EDUCATION

 

[murphles]

reading that-this is why email should never be used for real communication.

All of these programs I am sure are great. But I am only talking about my personal experience with a few grads....

Really, my real real message......a reaaly great education, is possible where a resident is motivated

 

[Taus]

My experience with RIC grads-inpatient experienced, clueless outpatient- (may have changed recently)
My experience with Spaulding-mostly they relied on "harvard" rather than training-but smart
My experience with Washington-smart and well trained
My experience with NJ grads-opportunists, (my experience limited)- does not mean they are not well trained. My understanding is that east coast is an extremely competive market
My experience with Mayo and Michigan-extremely well trained, Michigan better with inpatient, mayo and michigan-same with outpatient
Baylor grads never go north.... 🙂

All of these programs have extremly good training and with a good program and a good resident, it is ALWAY POSSIBLE FOR AN INTERESTED TRAINEE TO GET AN EXEMPLARY EDUCATION

opportunists?... what does that mean in this context?

 

[axm397]

My experience with RIC grads-inpatient experienced, clueless outpatient- (may have changed recently)

When you say recently, are you talking the 80s? Cuz Dr. Press has been an attending at RIC since 1988 and he set up the sports and spine program in the 90s. Since then RIC grads have gone on to become some of the more known sports/spine physiatrists and fellowship directors in the country.

 

[Finally M3]

I know a couple of Baylor grads who came up here, murphles, but promptly returned down south (well one is still in the Midwest, but for family reasons...he's desperate to leave, tho)

PS I thought the super six was not based on US news but rather board consensus. I may be wrong, though, and as many of the older posters know, I have a limited view of PM&R outside of the Midwest.

 

[docmd]

Wasnt this supposed to be a rejection thread?

 

[Shalom77]

Wasnt this supposed to be a rejection thread?

yes, so I'll add to the list and "demote" the "super-6" to keep the thread on track. 😉


Albert Einstein:
Baylor-Houston:
Boston University:
Carolinas:
Columbia/Cornell:
East Carolina:
Emory:
EVMS:
Indiana University:
JFK:
Kessler:
Loyola:
LSU:
Marianjoy:
Mayo:
MCV/VCU:
MCW: docmd
Mt. Sinai:
Nassau:
North Shore-LIJ:
NRH:
NYU (Rusk):
Ohio State: PMR2008
RIC:
Rush:
Spaulding:
St. Vincent:
Stony Brook:
Temple:
Thomas Jefferson:HSCCVCRU
Tufts:
U of AB:
U Baylor:
U of Cali-Irvine:
U of Chicago (Schwab):
U of Cincinnati:
U of Colorado:
U of Kansas:
U of Kentucky:
U of Michigan:
U of Minnesota:
U of Missouri- Colombia:
U of NC:
U of Penn:
U of Pitt:
UT Southwestern (Dallas):
U of Virginia:
U of Washington: Shalom77
U of Wisconsin:
Wayne State:
William Beaumont:

 

[madrid2008]

Albert Einstein:
Baylor-Houston:
Boston University:
Carolinas:
Columbia/Cornell:
East Carolina:
Emory:
EVMS:
Indiana University:
JFK:
Kessler:
Loyola:
LSU:
Marianjoy:
Mayo:
MCV/VCU:
MCW: docmd
Mt. Sinai:
Nassau:
North Shore-LIJ:
NRH:
NYU (Rusk):
Ohio State: PMR2008
RIC:
Rush:
Spaulding:
St. Vincent:
Stony Brook:
Temple:
Thomas Jefferson:HSCCVCRU, madrid2008
Tufts:
U of AB:
U Baylor:
U of Cali-Irvine:
U of Chicago (Schwab):
U of Cincinnati:
U of Colorado:
U of Kansas:
U of Kentucky:
U of Michigan:
U of Minnesota:
U of Missouri- Colombia:
U of NC:
U of Penn:
U of Pitt:
UT Southwestern (Dallas):
U of Virginia:
U of Washington: Shalom77
U of Wisconsin:
Wayne State:
William Beaumont:[/quote]