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Ad Comms should take into account significant, long lasting, interpersonal relationships. It takes a lot of time, energy, and work to maintin a relationship (marriage or otherwise) and this fact is often overlooked. Also, there are a lot of pre-meds who are 'too busy' to or just haven't had any sort of relationship. I find it hard to believe they are emotionally mature enough having never dealt with a lot of the things that go on in relationships.
 
That kind of stuff, if it really plays a very important role in your life, probably would come up in some interviews. In two of the interviews I had, we discussed that I had been in a 6 year long distance relationship and the interviewers seemed very empathic and I was later accepted. I think they do take in consideration of this stuff, you just need to not be afraid to talk about it.
 
I agree; I think I have the best shot at schools that look at the entire applicant--rather than just MCATs and GPA and extracurriculars. I am out of college 2 years, have done some post-bac and grad school in related health care fields, and am married 2 years (the relationship has been 5 years long). I personally think being married has helped me to understand so much about myself and others on an emotional level, and I think it's very difficult for people who aren't in relationships to come by that experience.

But it's true: I like being married more than doing 10,000 research projects or extracurriculars. We have a lot of personal stuff going on right now, between her family and mine, and that takes it's toll. Sure, I'll do some other things in life to make myself a more well rounded, cultured individual, and I'll always try to be the best physician I can be, but I have another HUGE chunk of my life that I genuinely enjoy and have no desire to seriously neglect. Schools that don't understand that right from the start--well, I don't think I'd want to go there anyway. 😉
 
What about ppl who just haven't met the right person? I don't know what the right answer is, but I don't know if it's fair to give ppl who have had long relationships an advantage in the admissions process. Some ppl just have really bad luck with love, and it doesn't really have a bearing on what kind of doctor they will be.
 
They probably do take that stuff into consideration but I doubt there is a column for "maintaining serious relationships" on your interview score sheet.
 
dara678 said:
What about ppl who just haven't met the right person? I don't know what the right answer is, but I don't know if it's fair to give ppl who have had long relationships an advantage in the admissions process. Some ppl just have really bad luck with love, and it doesn't really have a bearing on what kind of doctor they will be.

I agree. And sometimes it's not "bad luck with love", just a matter of being perfectly content with being single--I don't think everyone is cut out for marriage. The majority, probably. But not everyone. And the way I see it, there are certain advantages to being single in medicine, with the time commitment it takes--you don't have to feel guilty about spending less than the ideal amount of time with your spouse, kids etc. Not saying it's a bad idea for a doctor to be married, by any means. Just that there are two sides to the situation.
 
skoaner said:
Ad Comms should take into account significant, long lasting, interpersonal relationships.
well, i agree in principle, but in reality that would just make an already subjective, confusing process even worse. i wouldn't give somebody bonus points just cuz they've been shacking up wit they baby-daddy for a year or two. 😉

Originally Posted by skoaner
there are a lot of pre-meds who are 'too busy' to or just haven't had any sort of relationship. I find it hard to believe they are emotionally mature enough having never dealt with a lot of the things that go on in relationships.
ok, now that's just unfair. if being in long-term romantic relationships becomes a pre-requisite for being mature enough to handle the rigors of medical school, then what the hell are we looking for, anyway? is having a pet good enough? 😀
 
If someone is in a good relationship, is happy being single, etc., then I would consider that in their favor. If someone bounces from one bad relationship to the next and jumps ship at the first sign of trouble, then that's not a good thing. Too bad that the interviewer isn't necessarily going to know which kind of person you are.
 
v-tach said:
I agree. And sometimes it's not "bad luck with love", just a matter of being perfectly content with being single--I don't think everyone is cut out for marriage. The majority, probably. But not everyone. And the way I see it, there are certain advantages to being single in medicine, with the time commitment it takes--you don't have to feel guilty about spending less than the ideal amount of time with your spouse, kids etc. Not saying it's a bad idea for a doctor to be married, by any means. Just that there are two sides to the situation.

Also you can always end up with hot dates 😎
Who wouldn't want to date a doctor?
 
skoaner.. where did this come from????

But as always I totally agree. It's really hard to take care of a "child" in addition to being pre-med..... just kidding you know I love you boys!! 😍 and I'm not bitter at my ex or anything 😉


But yea, it does take a lot of maturity to make a relationship work beyond hanging out and doin' the durty. It really helps you grow.
 
skoaner said:
Ad Comms should take into account significant, long lasting, interpersonal relationships. It takes a lot of time, energy, and work to maintin a relationship (marriage or otherwise) and this fact is often overlooked. Also, there are a lot of pre-meds who are 'too busy' to or just haven't had any sort of relationship. I find it hard to believe they are emotionally mature enough having never dealt with a lot of the things that go on in relationships.

I don't think that length of relationships is a good factor for adcoms to be considering. But I do think that one's level of maturity (emotional or otherwise) will shine through in an interview and is certainly something schools are evaluating.
 
It is something that takes time and energy out of your daily activities. It should be taken into consideration. But you can't make something such as this into a factor in the admissions process, anyone could just lie about it and say they have been in a 5 years relationship.
 
dara678 said:
What about ppl who just haven't met the right person? I don't know what the right answer is, but I don't know if it's fair to give ppl who have had long relationships an advantage in the admissions process. Some ppl just have really bad luck with love, and it doesn't really have a bearing on what kind of doctor they will be.

give me a break!! I'm sure they don't give them an advantage; they just take into consideration of how many things an applicant can juggle and still succeed. they want well rounded applicants who are not studying all day.
 
Law2Doc said:
I don't think that length of relationships is a good factor for adcoms to be considering. But I do think that one's level of maturity (emotional or otherwise) will shine through in an interview and is certainly something schools are evaluating.
well committment should be a plus, as oppossed to bouncing from one relationship (or bed) to another...
 
Psycho Doctor said:
give me a break!! I'm sure they don't give them an advantage; they just take into consideration of how many things an applicant can juggle and still succeed. they want well rounded applicants who are not studying all day.
What's your definition of advantage ? Face it, it is an advantage. I'm not complaining or anything (as if I cared right now 🙄 ), but you just explained the definition of advantage.
 
skoaner said:
Ad Comms should take into account significant, long lasting, interpersonal relationships. It takes a lot of time, energy, and work to maintin a relationship (marriage or otherwise) and this fact is often overlooked. Also, there are a lot of pre-meds who are 'too busy' to or just haven't had any sort of relationship. I find it hard to believe they are emotionally mature enough having never dealt with a lot of the things that go on in relationships.

I agree with you to some extent on this topic, i.e., your last statement. Those who have been involved in relationships tend to be more emotionally mature because they have ample experience respecting, compromising, and fulfilling the needs (emotional, physical, etc.) of a whole other person.

At the same time, however, I also disagree with your last statement because whether a person is "emotionally mature" enough depends on that person's potential or capacity to be emotionally receptive of other people, i.e., a person's EQ, or emotional intelligence quotient. For example, I can imagine two people who have been together for a very long time, but their relationship may not be based on compassion or respect for each other at all. Maybe one is abusive (either physically, verbally, or both) towards the other, so the other person feels subjugated and does not know how to end the relationship. In this instance, both people are not necessarily "more emotionally mature" than the average person just because they have been together for a long time.

That is simply an example, but my point is whether a person is in a relationship does not necessarily determine how emotionally mature s/he is. I think it's the other way around, i.e., how much potential does that person have to become emotionally receptive to other people? We are all constantly reacting to our experiences, whether they include dealing with the challenges in a relationship, encountering personal failures, or coping with the death of a loved one, but however we react to that situation is different among all of us.

Furthermore, I think what determines how that person reacts is a person's learning capacity, which, again, is different with each person. You can sit down with a person and teach him/her how to read nonverbal cues and be emotionally receptive of others (this is a component of empathy), but if s/he does not have the learning capacity for this part of empathy, that person may simply not ever "get it." Some people have either more of an inherent capacity to be empathic or the potential to become empathic. It just depends on the individual.

In addition, a very close family relationship or friendship may also involve the aspects of a romantic relationship, such as learning how to respect another's needs, be understanding, knowing how to relate to another person and tolerate his/her actions, and most importantly, learning how to effectively communicate with this other being in an emotionally sensitive and appropriate way. So again, I'm arguing that a romantic relationship is not the only type of relationship where a person may emotionally "flourish"; I think other close and healthy interpersonal relationships can suffice, too.

I will step off my soapbox now. 🙂 Hope this makes sense, and if it doesn't, feel free to fire back with your counterarguments!
 
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