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Hypothetical Situation:

Say I graduate medical school, but decide not to do a residency and instead want to get back into research without having to get a PhD... Is this possible w/o the MD/PhD?

Thanks.
 
Sure is. My PI is an MD at a respected lab at UC Davis and is a leader in his field of research. A senior research associate in the lab is an MD, as well. Both are practicing physicians, but only one day a week.

They don't even work in translational research at the lab. It's all basic science & benchwork.
 
Yes. I know many MDs who do almost exclusively research.
 
Sure is. My PI is an MD at a respected lab at UC Davis and is a leader in his field of research. A senior research associate in the lab is an MD, as well. Both are practicing physicians, but only one day a week.

They don't even work in translational research at the lab. It's all basic science & benchwork.

Chances are that means they completed a residency...
 
If you choose not to do a residency, then it's probably best to do a post-doctoral fellowship or two, whether before entering industry or academic science.
 
Everyone who just said "hey my PI's an MD" didn't mention whether or not the person did a residency.

First off - ask this in the MD/PhD forum - they'd know better than us.

Obviously, you need to do a post-doc. I'm willing to bet you could find a lab that would take a post-doc with no PhD and a decent number of pubs. However, you're definitely not going to get a prime spot anywhere.

MDs that do basic research are usually practicing and, if not, then have definitely completed a residency. I've never heard of MD-->post-doc before, but it seems possible. I bet most labs with a decent reputation will want you to get a PhD first.

I just realized - stupid question - why the hell are you getting an MD?
 
Just curious as to what I would do if I changed my mind in medical school for some reason! (Heaven forbid... lol)
 
Just curious as to what I would do if I changed my mind in medical school for some reason! (Heaven forbid... lol)
Become a high school bio teacher.

My bio teacher did that after leaving Stanford med.

You can imagine how much he talked to his family after that stunt.
 
Just curious as to what I would do if I changed my mind in medical school for some reason! (Heaven forbid... lol)

You'd be universally regarded as an idiot. I know it sounds harsh, but it's pretty much true. Clinicians will invest thousands of hours training you to do something you'll never do. You'll be $200k in debt and will have no time to do research (except summer between M1&M2). I can go on for quite a while.

I know I'm assuming here and I apologize if I'm wrong. But if you didn't know that you'd have to do a post-doc, you probably don't have a lot of research experience. Spend a year in a lab and see if research is really your cup of tea. The good news is that you can get a much more realistic experience than you could shadowing a clinician to see if you like that.
 
Medical school is designed to prepare you to be a clinician. I would think that any value you could add in the research field as solely an MD would be built upon clinical abilities.

I would think an MD without any residency training and lacking a license to practice medicine would not be very highly valued for a research team.
 
I know one guy who quit after MS2 to do research and get a PhD instead, really cool guy but very research oriented.

I know a couple of MDs that do purely research but I think all of them have finished residency, and I think 1 or 2 ended up getting a PhD after that.
 
i have a close friend who is a professor at baylor now. he is an md and never completed a residency. he does basic science research and is quite successful in his field. after he graduated med school he did 2 postdocs and was a research fellow before he finally got a faculty position. i asked if he would do things differently if he could go back and he said yes, he would have gotten a phd instead of an md. moral of the story: yes you can do it but it is easier, faster and cheaper to just get your phd.
 
As someone headed first for the PhD ...

A medical degree does not prepare you for basic sciences research. Many MD's who do research actually do clinical/clinically-oriented research, for which you would still need a residency. Quite frankly, as someone coming out of medical school you would probably not be a strong candidate for good post-docs. You definitely won't be publishing anything while you're in medical school, your lab technique will be rusty and/or outdated, and a lot of the effort you put into medical school would be a complete waste (like clerkships, maybe gross anatomy, all of the patient-interaction stuff, the list goes on ...). Even if you get a decent post-doc, you'll have a steep learning curve for both scientific knowledge and laboratory techniques.

You would also be at a huge disadvantage financially. Any decent PhD program includes funding for full tuition, health insurance, and living stipend; our debt is solely from undergrad. As a non-clinical researcher, you would face a lower earning potential and have a higher debt than your peers.

If you're not sure about research vs. clinical practice, why don't you try a terminal masters? 2 years, funded, and you'll finish with publications and experience. You'll improve your strength as either an MD or PhD applicant. You'll also get a much more realistic idea of research than what you could have gotten as an undergrad.
 
I'm taking a seminar/shadowing a pediatric cardiologist who went to UCSF for the MD/phD program and dropped the phD, because he felt it was useless. He now spends the majority of his time devoted to his research on collapsable pediatric heart valves which should soon go on the market. Anyway, he explained how md/phd programs are too drawn out and the three extra letters by your name don't add much purpose or wealth of knowledge beyond the MD.
 
Become a high school bio teacher.

My bio teacher did that after leaving Stanford med.

You can imagine how much he talked to his family after that stunt.

😱 that is so stupid, it's sad that stanford accepted him. i mean it's only four FREAKIN years. then be a boring high school teacher. :laugh:
 
Look at dr robert jarvic (sketchiest man alive and also inventor of the jarvic artificial heart).. He did it.
 
Look at dr robert jarvic (sketchiest man alive and also inventor of the jarvic artificial heart).. He did it.

"He wanted to be an architect in college, but once his grandfather had a heart attack he devoted his life to studying the heart"


We all heard the story 😀
 
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