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One of my parents is a doctor and invited me to assist with a research publication that also involved several other doctors who work with them. My name is listed in the author list, so I'm putting it on my AMCAS. I feel kind of weird listing my parent as the contact person on the work/activities entry for the publication though. Am I just being overly critical or will it look weird that my parent is the contact for an entry on my work/activities section?
 
One of my parents is a doctor and invited me to assist with a research publication that also involved several other doctors who work with them. My name is listed in the author list, so I'm putting it on my AMCAS. I feel kind of weird listing my parent as the contact person on the work/activities entry for the publication though. Am I just being overly critical or will it look weird that my parent is the contact for an entry on my work/activities section?
It will look weird for a Publication contact. Use one of the other authors or the editor of the journal. If you are asked about this pub at an interview, you'd better know that study design backwards and forwards, so it's clear your name wasn't just added on as a favor.
 
If that's one of several papers you've authored that's fine. If it's your only first author it will look like nepotism. If it's a common last name (i.e. Smith) no one may ever know. I do note that there are a fair number of papers out there with same last names by husband and wife teams, so if you say nothing that may be the assumption. I also point out that if there are more than three authors and your parent isn't #2 you can try to list it as Dr Binko "et al."... May look deceptive though if they actually look it up.
 
Is your parent the corresponding author? If not list whoever that is, if so list another author who would be willing to verify.
 
It will look weird for a Publication contact. Use one of the other authors or the editor of the journal. If you are asked about this pub at an interview, you'd better know that study design backwards and forwards, so it's clear your name wasn't just added on as a favor.

Well I basically wrote the thing myself and have already presented it alone at a conference so I think I'm ok there. I'll list the editor as the contact, I didn't even think of that. Thanks.

Another related question I have: some of my volunteer/shadowing experience was with a program where my parent was one of the doctors in the clinic. I have a different contact listed for that experience so that's no problem, but I wanted to write my personal statement about some funny/poignant anecdotes that came from my experience assisting my parent. Is this inadvisable? Should I write about it but somehow obscure the fact that the doctor I was working with was my parent? Or should I just acknowledge it frankly? Or just write about something else?

I'm a nontraditional applicant and had a career after school, if that affects how adcoms would see this at all.
 
If that's one of several papers you've authored that's fine. If it's your only first author it will look like nepotism. If it's a common last name (i.e. Smith) no one may ever know. I do note that there are a fair number of papers out there with same last names by husband and wife teams, so if you say nothing that may be the assumption. I also point out that if there are more than three authors and your parent isn't #2 you can try to list it as Dr Binko "et al."... May look deceptive though if they actually look it up.

It's not a common last name at all, and it is my only publication.
 
Then probably just come clean if someone asks, and assume that your first author paper won't compare quite as well to a similar applicant whose first authorship came from strangers.
 
This highlights a point that comes up a lot on preallo -- if you have parents who are doctors don't work with them. Use them to set you up with colleagues to work with. It's true for shadowing and equally true for research. Your paper may be great but you might not get the full benefit of it.
 
Another related question I have: some of my volunteer/shadowing experience was with a program where my parent was one of the doctors in the clinic. I have a different contact listed for that experience so that's no problem, but I wanted to write my personal statement about some funny/poignant anecdotes that came from my experience assisting my parent.
1) Is this inadvisable?
2) Should I write about it but somehow obscure the fact that the doctor I was working with was my parent? Or should I just acknowledge it frankly? Or just write about something else?
1) No problem, so long as you weren't engaging in an activity requiring special training that you don't have, or you were very young at the time, doing something in a foreign country that a US doc would deem inappropriate.

2) Probably you're fine acknowledging the family connection, but you may not be giving me all the info I need to judge the situation fully.
 
1) No problem, so long as you weren't engaging in an activity requiring special training that you don't have, or you were very young at the time, doing something in a foreign country that a US doc would deem inappropriate.

2) Probably you're fine acknowledging the family connection, but you may not be giving me all the info I need to judge the situation fully.

The relevant background is that I was assisting with ultrasounds. Mostly I sterilized probes between patients and transcribed the notes that my parent dictated, and then made sure it got to the clinic's permanent doctor so he could answer any follow-up questions the patiens had. My parent also explained to each patient that I was their child and asked them if it was ok for me to assist, so sometimes I would hold the probe and help do the exam, under my parent's supervision.

Another unanticipated role I had was helping communicate. My Spanish is not great but my parent's Spanish is worse and so I ended up translating really basic things (stuff like telling patients to drink water and return with a full bladder, asking them to turn right or left) or if it was a sensitive situation that requred more communication (such as if we found something worrying on the scan), asking them to wait while I went to get the permanent doctor, who could speak Spanish and the local languages.

Before I went, all the people on the program had to sign papers promising not to do anything that would be considered unethical or illegal in our home countries, even if it were permitted by the local laws. To my knowledge, we adhered to that strictly. It did raise some interesting questions about informed consent because we had to take the word of the local doctor who spoke the language that patients understood and consented to the procedures. There were more protocols in place for that when it came to the surgical team, but since ultrasound is so low-risk and people were so eager to get anything and everything examined, it was a little open-ended.

Does this make it a bad topic? I don't want to get into anything controversial, but the ethics questions involved with medical mission work and rural medicine were part of what made it so interesting for me.
 
-assisting with ultrasounds.
-I sterilized probes between patients
-transcribed the notes that my parent dictated
-parent also explained to each patient that I was their child and asked them if it was ok for me to assist
-sometimes I would hold the probe and help do the exam, under my parent's supervision.
-Another unanticipated role I had was helping communicate. My Spanish is not great but my parent's Spanish is worse and so I ended up translating
-all the people on the program had to sign papers promising not to do anything that would be considered unethical or illegal in our home countries,

Does this make it a bad topic? I don't want to get into anything controversial, but the ethics questions involved with medical mission work and rural medicine were part of what made it so interesting for me.
What you did sounds OK to me. Be sure you emphasize the translation role.
 
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This highlights a point that comes up a lot on preallo -- if you have parents who are doctors don't work with them. Use them to set you up with colleagues to work with. It's true for shadowing and equally true for research. Your paper may be great but you might not get the full benefit of it.

Yeah, I'm aware of that. I've done a variety of other research but for various reasons none of it resulted in having my name on accepted publications. Not much I can do about it this application cycle.
 
The relevant background is that I was assisting with ultrasounds. Mostly I sterilized probes between patients and transcribed the notes that my parent dictated, and then made sure it got to the clinic's permanent doctor so he could answer any follow-up questions the patiens had. My parent also explained to each patient that I was their child and asked them if it was ok for me to assist, so sometimes I would hold the probe and help do the exam, under my parent's supervision.

Another unanticipated role I had was helping communicate. My Spanish is not great but my parent's Spanish is worse and so I ended up translating really basic things (stuff like telling patients to drink water and return with a full bladder, asking them to turn right or left) or if it was a sensitive situation that requred more communication (such as if we found something worrying on the scan), asking them to wait while I went to get the permanent doctor, who could speak Spanish and the local languages.

Before I went, all the people on the program had to sign papers promising not to do anything that would be considered unethical or illegal in our home countries, even if it were permitted by the local laws. To my knowledge, we adhered to that strictly. It did raise some interesting questions about informed consent because we had to take the word of the local doctor who spoke the language that patients understood and consented to the procedures. There were more protocols in place for that when it came to the surgical team, but since ultrasound is so low-risk and people were so eager to get anything and everything examined, it was a little open-ended.

Does this make it a bad topic? I don't want to get into anything controversial, but the ethics questions involved with medical mission work and rural medicine were part of what made it so interesting for me.
So you weren't involved in any study design? Seems like there was no actual "thinking" involved from that description.

I had a lot of interviewers ask me what my role was in my project and what exactly I had done. If you have a first author and you were only carrying out the mechanical work and not involved in more intellectual aspects, your paper will not have the same impressiveness. If they find out that it was done through parents, then it may be even less impactful.

I don't think there's any harm in listing it if you know the research inside out. Not just enough to give a poster presentation. But if you get grilled, you have to be able to stand your ground. Worst case scenario, someone pieces everything and ignores the pub.

For the future, it is highly advisable not to work through parents. I've had friends who purposefully found different people to work with. What happens when it comes time for a LOR?

Lastly, as an anecdote, I had one friend who also had doctor parents and got a 1st author in high school. I'm not sure of the exact details of what happened (he was a solid applicant) but he was WL at his state school (stats above median), rejected everywhere else.
 
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So you weren't involved in any study design? Seems like there was no actual "thinking" involved from that description.
I think you are responding to a second question OP asked rather than a description of activity leading to the research that got published.
 
Never understood why this matters. You can tell in about 1-2 minutes if someone was actually involved in their research or they hung onto the coat tails of others. I think it's great that you have parents who want to include you on things so long as you did the work. My opinion but eh! My dad was a salesman btw so I never had this benefit.
 
Ah yeah sorry I made this confusing my asking two different questions about two different activities with the same parent.

I've got LORs from research that wasn't with my parent, but for a variety of reasons, those didn't lead to publications with my name on them. I realize that it would be better if there were papers from that research but there's nothing I can do about it now. I was very involved in the paper that has my name on it and have answered questions about it on my own at a conference.
 
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