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Hi,

I am doing continued research on the subject of "nice guys." I am hoping that some of you are nice guys and are willing to participate in my research.
In order to keep this post brief, I will ask three questions for those who classify themselves a "nice guy."

1. What are the qualities of nice guys.
2. What do others not know about nice guys?
3. How do you know when to leave a relationship?

Please feel free to add any other info you would like and include your Myers-Briggs, if you don't mind sharing.

My email is [email protected]

Thank you very much.
All the best,
Ameena
 
WTF? Is this a joke?
 
:laugh: what is this?

my answer: THEY DO NOT EXIST!! Just kidding...I am hoping to find one someday! 😍
 
RachMD2B said:
:laugh: what is this?

my answer: THEY DO NOT EXIST!! Just kidding...I am hoping to find one someday! 😍


Ahh, ya. She said nice, not rich.
 
ameena said:
Hi,

I am doing continued research on the subject of "nice guys." I am hoping that some of you are nice guys and are willing to participate in my research.
In order to keep this post brief, I will ask three questions for those who classify themselves a "nice guy."

1. What are the qualities of nice guys.
2. What do others not know about nice guys?
3. How do you know when to leave a relationship?

Please feel free to add any other info you would like and include your Myers-Briggs, if you don't mind sharing.

My email is [email protected]

Thank you very much.
All the best,
Ameena

You can't do valid research on an internet forum. For one thing, the internet is self selecting.
 
medic170 said:
You can't do valid research on an internet forum. For one thing, the internet is self selecting.

Sure she/he can, as long as it's in the realm of "nice guys that use the internet."
 
medic170 said:
You can't do valid research on an internet forum. For one thing, the internet is self selecting.


Thats exactly right. Now I need you all to participate in this highly scientific poll: Kerry or Bush? I expect the results to be an accurate predictor of Novs. election.
 
ameena said:
Hi,

I am doing continued research on the subject of "nice guys." I am hoping that some of you are nice guys and are willing to participate in my research.
In order to keep this post brief, I will ask three questions for those who classify themselves a "nice guy."

1. What are the qualities of nice guys.
2. What do others not know about nice guys?
3. How do you know when to leave a relationship?

Please feel free to add any other info you would like and include your Myers-Briggs, if you don't mind sharing.

My email is [email protected]

Thank you very much.
All the best,
Ameena


You are leaving out the most important question of all, namely: why don't nice guys get any tail?

[yes, I know someone will direct me to the ladder theory]
 
This thread belongs in the lounge...but I'll take a stab at these questions because the term "nice guy" seems to follow me around 😉..heheh








1. What are the qualities of nice guys.
This one is going to be cheeeesssy...so prepare yourself. Nice guys genuinely try not hurt or antagonize people. They are humble. They consider themselves fallible and thus readily admit to their shortcomings.


2. What do others not know about nice guys?
That these guys are reliable and usually fall into the 'friends' category.



3. How do you know when to leave a relationship?

Hmm...depends on each particular relationship 😀 🙂

Please feel free to add any other info you would like and include your Myers-Briggs, if you don't mind sharing.

ESTJ



I know the answers are short..but hey..that's the best I could do 🙂

-Harps
 
samurai_lincoln said:
You are leaving out the most important question of all, namely: why don't nice guys get any tail?

How sad..................but SO true :laugh:

-Harps
 
im a self-proclaimed nice-guy and I dont rather enjoy being one. Like when i really had feelings for a friends girl friend, and probably had good chance to go for it, since she probably realizes she really belongs with me, i sucked it up and didnt do a thing b.c that little sound in my head (perhaps emanating from a homunculus) that says im a nice guy somehow takes over in what always seems like, in hindsight, inopportune times. I could go on, but im too depressed to...
 
ameena said:
1. What are the qualities of nice guys.
2. What do others not know about nice guys?
3. How do you know when to leave a relationship?

Please feel free to add any other info you would like and include your Myers-Briggs, if you don't mind sharing.

My email is [email protected]

Thank you very much.
All the best,
Ameena

In the opinion of a not-so-nice girl 😀 :
1. Nice guys listen, care (at least do a good job of pretending), are intuitive, and make you fell comfortable in their presence--so comfortable, in fact, there is no sexual tension or chemistry. (This is also why they don't get any tail)

2. What we don't know is that they're not so nice. Nice guys have a little hidden mean streak (usually bitterness at the girls who dump them for the bad-boy element). When a nice guy lets the inner bitterness come out, it's actually more appealing (IMHO). Guts that are too nice are hiding something, or too unsure of themselves to be real, which is s turn-off for me. Showing a little bitterness and truth lays it out on the table. I appreciate honesty. Show me your not-so-nice side (I'm not talking mean, spiteful, verbal abuse here--just don't go out of your way to be nice if you don't really feel like it)

3. When to leave? When honesty, integrity, and respect has exited the relationship

INTJ
 
I, uhh, follow the golden rule; a de facto nice guy. Frankly, I might just end up gay. Why? I honestly don't believe most women deserve a nice guy. That, or only go after Asian women. Pick your poison. Frankly, I don't want to date persons just because of their race. Welcome to the world of the spoiled, psychotic western woman.
 
Thearchitect said:
Welcome to the world of the spoiled, psychotic western woman.

Well said...well said, my friend 👍 :laugh:

-Harps
 
Thearchitect said:
I, uhh, follow the golden rule; a de facto nice guy. Frankly, I might just end up gay. Why? I honestly don't believe most women deserve a nice guy. That, or only go after Asian women. Pick your poison. Frankly, I don't want to date persons just because of their race. Welcome to the world of the spoiled, psychotic western woman.


Amen to that.
 
b.c that little sound in my head (perhaps emanating from a homunculus) that says im a nice guy somehow takes over in what always seems like, in hindsight, inopportune times.

That cracks me up! That would be a pretty cool homunculus! I bet it would have a very large representation of the face but it would have those big lips smiling politely instead of the ape looking thing on the real homunculus! That would be classic . . . unfortunately, being a nice guy is probably a prefrontal cortex instead of motor or sensory cortex function . . . oh well, it would be cool if it was a motor or sensory function that could be mapped on the homonculus . . . we could even do brain surgeries to remove the nice guy factor! Oh well, enough neuroanatomy about being a nice guy.
 
hmm, i wouldn't know....

nobody ever calls me nice... :meanie:
 
my friend sent me this a few weeks ago and i thought it was hilarious

This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what dinguses guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl?s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they?re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don?t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn?t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you?d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn?t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing ?serious? between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: ?oh, but we?re just friends!? And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you?re nice like that.

The nice guys don?t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don?t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can?t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as ?oh, he?s too nice to date? or ?he would be a good boyfriend but he?s not for me? or ?he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn?t possibly ask him out!? or the most frustrating of all: ?no, it would ruin our friendship.? Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can?t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I?m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn?t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you?re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.
 
The world is 80% beta male. Yay for marriage, or otherwise society would break down 🙂.
 
Word of caution: Often, self-proclaimed "nice guys" are really just "I'll do whatever she wants just so I can have a relationship to validate my existence guys".
 
Medikit said:
Word of caution: Often, self-proclaimed "nice guys" are really just "I'll do whatever she wants just so I can have a relationship to validate my existence guys".


*Throws the bull**** flag.*

Stop rationalizing women's hypocrisy.
 
I will openly admit that I "used to" like the bad boys. Nice guys did finish last in my book. But as I matured, all those dumb games and the melodrama got old fast. So, I am pro-nice guy now! 😍
 
Medikit said:
Word of caution: Often, self-proclaimed "nice guys" are really just "I'll do whatever she wants just so I can have a relationship to validate my existence guys".

Medikit obviously wants in the pants of somebody on this forum.

As for nice guys, girls don't want nice guys. Deep down the majority of girls want somebody who will tell them what to do.
 
gizmoduck said:
As for nice guys, girls don't want nice guys. Deep down the majority of girls want somebody who will tell them what to do.

I agree.

Here is what God said after Eve screwed things up for us all.
Genesis 3:16
To the woman he said,

"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."


edit* NIV
 
4 Ever said:
my friend sent me this a few weeks ago and i thought it was hilarious

This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what dinguses guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl?s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they?re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don?t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn?t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you?d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn?t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing ?serious? between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: ?oh, but we?re just friends!? And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you?re nice like that.

The nice guys don?t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don?t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can?t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as ?oh, he?s too nice to date? or ?he would be a good boyfriend but he?s not for me? or ?he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn?t possibly ask him out!? or the most frustrating of all: ?no, it would ruin our friendship.? Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can?t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I?m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn?t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you?re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.

now if i agree with this does that make me a nice guy??? 🙄 hahaha... sounds good to me as long as more than one girl is involved :meanie: .... so much for the nice guy image
 
Nice guys finish last. Winners go home and f**k the prom queen.
 
Thearchitect said:
Yep.

twoface1a.GIF

OMG. Thats is the funniest thing ive seen in the last two weeks.

Maybe i should start a no ma'am chapter. Oh wait, I dont have to, cause im not a nice guy, and dont have problems.
 
Used to be a nice guy...now I'm just bitter against the world. No but seriously...the best is to be a nice guy disguised as a bad guy.
 
Glad you reposted it -- egg shells and everything.
 
IllinoisStudent said:
Not the ladder theory again. I hate when ppl use smart tricks to fool me to go to some old links.

LOL, at least he didnt point it to gay porno. Gizmoduck and I like playing mean tricks on each other like that.
 
Ah the countless variations on goatse.cx we've found. The internet is a disturbing place.
 
gizmoduck said:
Ah the countless variations on goatse.cx we've found. The internet is a disturbing place.

It pissed me off that they had to take it down too. I mean, even the christmas islands got hit by "the MAN". 👎

Now i have nothing to tell unsuspecting people to go to.
 
Here's all I have to say - most guys who categorize themselves as "nice guys who never get anywhere" are unable to stand up for themselves and like to whine about how the more confident guys score all the women.
 
Medikit said:
Word of caution: Often, self-proclaimed "nice guys" are really just "I'll do whatever she wants just so I can have a relationship to validate my existence guys".

It came from right there...
 
gizmoduck said:
It came from right there...

I realize that, but I suppose that I don't really see how my comments would appeal to women. The comment was directed toward men. Often times they complain about how difficult it is to be a "nice guy" when the reality is that they are simply weak and desperate.
 
Leave my desperation out of this. 🙁
 
4 Ever said:
my friend sent me this a few weeks ago and i thought it was hilarious

This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what dinguses guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl?s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they?re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don?t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn?t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you?d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn?t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing ?serious? between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: ?oh, but we?re just friends!? And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you?re nice like that.

The nice guys don?t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don?t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can?t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as ?oh, he?s too nice to date? or ?he would be a good boyfriend but he?s not for me? or ?he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn?t possibly ask him out!? or the most frustrating of all: ?no, it would ruin our friendship.? Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can?t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I?m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn?t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you?re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.

The first thing that comes to mind when I read this was...DOORMAT. I lose respect for a guy once I know he'll sacrifice his dignity (like waiting outside a dressing room) for a chick that is so selfish she doens't realize the needs of her so-called "best-friend"

To me...it looks like nice-guys get the short end of the stick because they're too nice to speak up for themselves and let their needs be known.

I personally dig bad boys...who aren't spineless wusses
 
nina512 said:
I personally dig bad boys...who aren't spineless wusses

I wouldn't go this far... some 'nice guys' are nice because they chose to....it's not hard to be an dingus....especially w/ girls......

-Harps
 
TheProwler said:
Here's all I have to say - most guys who categorize themselves as "nice guys who never get anywhere" are unable to stand up for themselves and like to whine about how the more confident guys score all the women.

I agree. I m one of those losers. I should have my SN "2afraid2ask". :laugh: :laugh:
 
It's all about being the guy who is on his own ride. Screw the bad boy routine (really nothing but a liability, an inflated ego, and generally bad hygiene and a pot belly on the way), screw the nice guy schtich (generally no guts, no core, and no heart). Do your own thing, and if the girl wants to come along for the ride, good for her.

The guy is the prize in the long run, anyhow. If the girl is good enough, she gets to join the ride. If she tries to change all the parameters or act possessive, off she goes. It's not that tough to find a better companion. Guys don't get that their ability to act as initiators comes with its perks, just as girls just having to sit and act pretty has its perks.

Women are looking for stability. If they can tip the boat on their own, why bother?
 
The trick is for the man to realize he is in control and act like it. If a chick doesnt go for you, oh well too bad for her. Remember, she is the one losing out, not you.
 
4 Ever said:
my friend sent me this a few weeks ago and i thought it was hilarious

This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what dinguses guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl?s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they?re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don?t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn?t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you?d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn?t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing ?serious? between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: ?oh, but we?re just friends!? And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you?re nice like that.

The nice guys don?t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don?t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can?t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as ?oh, he?s too nice to date? or ?he would be a good boyfriend but he?s not for me? or ?he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn?t possibly ask him out!? or the most frustrating of all: ?no, it would ruin our friendship.? Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can?t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I?m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn?t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you?re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.


Dude, I have done everything described above..kinda scary. A nice guy who is only nice to score isn't a genuine nice guy. It's a part of you and the way you are, in the end I really couldn't be any other way, and I make no apologies for it.

On a side note: I have been a nice guy all my life and when I started getting a crush on my best friend, I'll admit it freaked her out. She pulled all sorts of stunts to scare me away, but I just silently suffered. Guess what, we have now been seriously dating for 10 months and the longest relationship she ever had before was 2 months with a "bad boy."
 
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