Residency program hours

[EMbound1]

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After browsing through several of the posts, I have noticed the hours of the residency programs vary widely. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a convenient way to know the hours listed by year unless you contact the program directly. For prospective applicants, if you can list the hours of programs that you know by years that would be very helpful. Something like:

PGY1: 12 8hr shifts, 4 12 hours shifts
PGY2: ....... etc

 

[Apollyon]

The problem is that the amount of hours is fluid - ours changed between the end of my EM1 year and beginning of EM2.

Those of us out of residency may be giving out of date information. Some of those in residency have an (in my opinion) over-inflated fear of loss of anonymity, so they'll give you their hours, but won't say where. Finally, there are the people that applied this year - who will state with certainty what the hours were at which were locations where they interviewed, but are subject to recall errors.

One resource that might help, though, are the many residency review threads. They have been collated by some guy (I assume). I don't know how reliable the guy is, as he has posted essentially nothing else beyond "reposted for another member".

 

[EMbound1]

Thanks for the advice. I have already started to see the issue with anonymity. I received a few PMs from people stating their residencies hours. Since they wanted to remain anonymous, I will post what they stated so other applicants might benefit.

 

[EMbound1]

New York Presbyterian
PGY1- 20 12 hour shifts
PGY2- 20 12 hour shifts
PGY3- 18 shifts which are composed of 10 and 12 hour shifts
PGY4- 16 10 and 12 hour shifts (also a few 8s)

 

[EMbound1]

NYU-Bellevue

PGY1- 18 12 hour shifts
PGY2- 18 12 hour shifts
PGY3- 18 10 hour shifts
PGY4- 18 8 hour shifts

I will post more if I receive more PMs

 

[michigator04]

After browsing through several of the posts, I have noticed the hours of the residency programs vary widely. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a convenient way to know the hours listed by year unless you contact the program directly. For prospective applicants, if you can list the hours of programs that you know by years that would be very helpful. Something like:

PGY1: 12 8hr shifts, 4 12 hours shifts
PGY2: ....... etc

Read this thread for starters: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=82181

 

[qwerty1234]

That thread is from 03 and only has a few current posts.

I think this would be a helpful list to have both for applicants and for current residents and leadership to determine if their program is an outlier.

There's been a lot of discussion about quantity vs quality of hours and what is the low and high end for hours. I think at the end of the day, you just don't want to be at either kind of outlier.

It'd be nice if the list stated whether the months were 28 days or calendar months and how long folks stayed after signout.

 

[MSmentor018]

Thanks for the advice. I have already started to see the issue with anonymity. I received a few PMs from people stating their residencies hours. Since they wanted to remain anonymous, I will post what they stated so other applicants might benefit.

at tampa, interns work

15 12's hr shifts
5 8's
1 10's
(1 wk straight nights)
it decreases 1-2 days for R2-3
we take the last hr to catch up, finish that last pelvic exam..etc
sign out in 6-7 min

what's there to hide? you see the hours during interviews.....it is what it is

 

[Arcan57]

what's there to hide? you see the hours during interviews.....it is what it is

And there are so many more important things to training then the number of hours/ ED month. What you want to do is find out how those hours are used, and that requires talking to residents going through that particular program.

 

[qwerty1234]

It still wouldn't hurt to have a comprehensive list.

 

[MSmentor018]

And there are so many more important things to training then the number of hours/ ED month. What you want to do is find out how those hours are used, and that requires talking to residents going through that particular program.

very true, i was talking about the anonymous issue..residency hours in the program isn't a secret

 

[EMbound1]

I agree. Minor differences should not make or break a decision but consideration should be placed when programs fall in the extremes with hours. Also, having a working list might empower residents to advocate more for potential changes in their program.

As indicated above, if you post your programs hours (or send them to me to post), please indicate if this is based on a 28 day cycles and if the residents tend to stay hours after their shift.


Duke

PGY1 22 10 hour shifts
PGY2 ditto
PGY3 ditto

The person did not indicate if this was based on a 28 day cycle.

 

[fergustsi]

New program at JPS/Tarrant County Hospital

supposedly the hours will be

R1 - 20 10s
R2 - 18 10s
R3 - 16 10s

Built in overlap of 2 hours at the start and end of your shift.

Thats in a true month, not a 28 day cycle.

We'll see what the true hours and signout is like in a few short weeks.

 

[deleted109597]

ECU
PGY-1 19 10s
PGY-2 18 10s
PGY-3 16/17 10s

28 day block scheduling

 

[xaelia]

ECU
PGY-1 19 10s
PGY-2 18 10s
PGY-3 16/17 10s

28 day block scheduling

All the 10s are truly 9s with + disposition and clean-up time. How long that extra time ends up being is highly variable depending on the resident and the shift.

I'm 95% successful at being out on time or early...of course, one of our attendings says, if you're not staying 2 hours after your shift, you're not doing your job....

 

[EMbound1]

Anyone know the breakdown of hours for UCLA- Olive View? I heard one resident complaining of more hours there than most other comparable residencies...any truth to that?