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I’m not sure if this is the right forum but why does the US government pay for residency slots? Why did they cap them at 100,000 and are there any pushes to raise this number? Is there anything stopping hospitals from privately funding new physician residencies?
 
I’m not sure if this is the right forum but why does the US government pay for residency slots? Why did they cap them at 100,000 and are there any pushes to raise this number? Is there anything stopping hospitals from privately funding new physician residencies?
Lots of places privately fund
 
It was part of the original Medicare legislation as a way to foster medical education across the country and has a rather tortured political history. Essentially, getting money out of congress for anything is difficult and residency slots are no exception. So while the US has done a good job of increasing medical school seats (increased by 30% since 2009), residency slots have increased at a snail’s pace.

This isn’t that big of a problem just yet though right? Because iirc there are still more residency slots than there are fresh MD/DO graduates (the remainder are filled by international grads).
 
This isn’t that big of a problem just yet though right? Because iirc there are still more residency slots than there are fresh MD/DO graduates (the remainder are filled by international grads).
But if this is the case, why is there MD/DO that goes unmatched every year?
 
But if this is the case, why is there MD/DO that goes unmatched every year?

because people are liars about their competitiveness or they are completely atrocious candidates.

No one who passes and isn't a complete oddball on an interview goes unmatched if they are willing to apply to unpopular FM locations

Cause everybody is match dermatology/Ortho/other competitive specialty or die. There are more applicants than spots around the country.

Unfortunately there are also times when a program director would rather leave a spot empty than give it to someone who could potentially cause harm.
 
Unfortunately there are also times when a program director would rather leave a spot empty than give it to someone who could potentially cause harm.

I don’t think this is unfortunate. I wouldn’t want a program trusting someone who they feel is incompetent with others’ lives. The harm one could cause is not insignificant.
 
I don’t think this is unfortunate. I wouldn’t want a program trusting someone who they feel is incompetent with others’ lives. The harm one could cause is not insignificant.

Why is that unfortunate? That’s a good PD

I mean that it’s unfortunate on a societal scale. The fact that the process produces people who get into medical school and graduate medical school but can’t fill any residency spots. When, instead, someone else who is more competent (and perhaps, more mentally stable) could have had their spot in medical school all along.
 
This isn’t that big of a problem just yet though right? Because iirc there are still more residency slots than there are fresh MD/DO graduates (the remainder are filled by international grads).

Yes and no.

From a med students prospective - no. You can be confident matching somewhere from any MD/DO school stateside.

From a society prospective - yes. Because we’re about to have a fuq ton of baby boomers enter their geriatric years and have nowhere near the docs necessary to care for them.

There’s fixes - like letting NPs and PAs care for patients with less physician oversight. But this is only a stop gap, since these providers can care for only the simplest of patients. Theres a tidal wave of patients with renal failure, COPD, vascular disease, etc. on the horizon and nowhere near the number of docs needed to care for them effectively
 
I’m not sure if this is the right forum but why does the US government pay for residency slots? Why did they cap them at 100,000 and are there any pushes to raise this number? Is there anything stopping hospitals from privately funding new physician residencies?

It was part of the original Medicare legislation as a way to foster medical education across the country and has a rather tortured political history. Essentially, getting money out of congress for anything is difficult and residency slots are no exception. So while the US has done a good job of increasing medical school seats (increased by 30% since 2009), residency slots have increased at a snail’s pace.

I haven’t seen any posts on this yet, so I apologize if I’m repeating something that’s already been posted. It looks like some action has been started in congress to try and increase residency slots by 3000 per year for a total of 15,000 with the Resident Physician Shortage Reduction Act of 2019. Here’s the info so far for those want to follow the bill’s progress.

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hr1763/BILLS-116hr1763ih.pdf

H.R.1763 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): To amend title XVIII of the Social Security Act to provide for the distribution of additional residency positions, and for other purposes.
 
Do lots of places fully private fund? Or do you mean the ones that supplement due to high cost of living area?

And I guess you may mean those who are providing residencies for international doctors?
No. I mean a lot privately fund
 
Download the latest ACGME Data Resource Book:
ACGME Data Resource Book

On page 50 you will see that the number of active residents over the last 10 years has grown from 91,384 to 111,758. Part of this stems from AOA programs becoming ACGME accredited but there was growth long before merger discussions began. I can't cite it now but I know a couple of economists published an article a few years back noting that the number of residents kept growing in spite of the 1997 budget freeze. Their point was that at the margin it may be cheaper to bring in more residents than to hire PAs, NPs or board certified attending physicians to see patients.
 
A bill like this has been submitted almost every congress since the late 1990s and has rarely passed, never even gets into committee much less out of it. Indeed, the administration keeps submitting budgets to cut existing funding. Most recently these have been introduced by Representative Joe Crowley who recently lost the primary and thus election to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

:whoa:
 
This is a ridiculously complicated topic, but the short story is that hospitals that employ residents are paid a lump sum by CMS for each resident that they employ. Much of this goes to support the resident's salary, but significant portions also go to the hospital to support "direct medical education" and "indirect medical education." As an example, at my institution the average resident's salary is somewhere around $60-65k, but the hospital receives a total of about $90k per resident. The remaining amount goes to the hospital to support a variety of things related to having residents at their institution. The exact formulae used to calculate how much CMS will pay and where the residents can actually work in order to be supported by that funding are complex and not straightforward.

As mentioned above, this is the primary but not only source of residency funding. In my state, for example, millions of dollars are paid to medical institutions to also fund residency slots. Compared to the funding provided by CMS, this is a comparatively small amount but nevertheless is present.

As far as I know, there is no requirement that hospitals receive money to fund residency slots. They could simply fund residency slots themselves, if they wanted to. However, the bureaucratic requirements dictated by the ACGME in order to have an accredited program are so onerous that this is likely a financially silly move to make, even with an army of relatively low-paid physicians bolstering the institution's workforce. Programs must have dedicated staff to support the program in order to be accredited, and physicians that serve as program directors, assistant program directors, etc. must, by ACGME mandate, set aside a certain amount of their time to their PD/APD role. In a situation where a hospital is funding their own residencies, this is a direct loss to income generated from clinical services as that is time that the physician cannot be doing clinical work and is, instead, doing nothing that is financially productive for the institution. This doesn't even take into account the time required to actually fulfill the educational aspects of residency training, which requires even more physician time.

Since hospitals generally are not interested in pissing money down the drain, they fund residency slots based on their ability to find revenue streams to support them. At my institution, for example, requests to expand programs must be approved by the GME office, and one of the criteria for approving an expansion is that the department must be able to demonstrate that they have a stable source of funding for the position(s). These streams come almost entirely from government.
 
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Cause everybody is match dermatology/Ortho/other competitive specialty or die. There are more applicants than spots around the country.

I second this. I had friends who didn't match last cycle and were very competitive applicants. They had better luck this cycle but reality is there are more applicants than positions.
 
@gonnif If several residency slots are funded by the government, what will happen if Medicare gets severely cut and the government refuses to continue funding those salaries?
 
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