Residency Question

[lawvsmed]

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Hey all,

I asked this question in another thread but I guess noone saw it.

I was just wondering: If I am a California resident, but go to an out of state school, am I still going to be preferred by California dental schools?

Thanks alot everybody!

 

[kejs]

Yes, if you are a California resident then you will be preferred by California schools. Your school does not play a role in determining your residency.

 

[cwoodds]

I have another question related to residency (sorry for hijacking your thread!). It was suggested in a predental society powerpoint I pulled up that you could apply for residency after one year as an OOS, so you would only have to pay one year OOS tuition. I thought once you attended as OOS, you were classified as OOS for the duration. Any input??

 

[PointEstimate]

I have another question related to residency (sorry for hijacking your thread!). It was suggested in a predental society powerpoint I pulled up that you could apply for residency after one year as an OOS, so you would only have to pay one year OOS tuition. I thought once you attended as OOS, you were classified as OOS for the duration. Any input??

Those schools are likely to be few and far in between. Most state schools have it set up such that you can't claim time towards residency if you are in that state purely for school. Why would they make it easier for students to get the in-state "discount" when they can charge you the premium price.....

 

[RU1992]

Are you sure about that? Don't schools want students to come there, so thus, they will make an effort to have in state tuition for those students who get an off campus apartment? I was under the impression that most schools would allow students to become in state as long as they had paid one year out of state tuition.

 

[cwoodds]

Are you sure about that? Don't schools want students to come there, so thus, they will make an effort to have in state tuition for those students who get an off campus apartment? I was under the impression that most schools would allow students to become in state as long as they had paid one year out of state tuition.

I know for undergrad, you can't claim residency if you moved to a state to go to school. Why would the ADEA guide list 4 years of OOS tuition if you're in-state after the first year? It would be great for me if this is the case (we don't have a dental school in my state and WICHE funds are limited to about 10 students/year), I just have my doubts.

 

[PointEstimate]

Are you sure about that? Don't schools want students to come there, so thus, they will make an effort to have in state tuition for those students who get an off campus apartment? I was under the impression that most schools would allow students to become in state as long as they had paid one year out of state tuition.

I stand corrected. At least for Michigan (as a California resident), which is what I am most familiar with....

http://www.ro.umich.edu/resreg.php (scroll down to Circumstances that do not demonstrate permanent domicile)
http://studentservices.uchc.edu/registrar/forms/form_status.pdf (UConn seems to have the same)

 

[calid]

for lots of states residency is determined by

having a job there and paying taxes
voter registration
car registration/license
having an address in state that you've lived at for at least one year

and some even have an age requirement (like 23) if you are a student since lots of students would finish their ungerdgrad before turning 23 and therefore not be able to get in-state tuition. i've even seen some states recommend writing a letter back to your old home state saying you are changing state residencies (don't know who you're supposed to write that letter to...)

 

[cwoodds]

PointEstimate, What do you mean you stand corrected? I think those links prove your point. Living there to attend school does not qualify you for residency. From the UCONN link:

'Residence or physical presence in Connecticut primarily to attend the University does not entitle a student to in-state tuition rates.'

 

[PointEstimate]

cwoods. It does prove my point that you can't just be in the state for school and expect (after a year) to be paying in-state.

I stand corrected by the qualifier "most schools have it set up..." and "few and far in between" in the off chance that it is the opposite (i.e. most schools have it set up the other way that allow you to be considered instate after one year).

I still believe that state schools, despite maybe letting you apply for in-state residency, will make it difficult for you to get in-state status after going to the school and (obviously) living in the state for 1 year because they make more money off of you. I am under the impression that schools have an OOS quota to help balance the budget, but have traditional/legal preference for in-state students based on how the school receives state funding. However, I am preemptively removing myself from a semantics debate in case RU1992 (or someone else) finds some number of example where this is not the case.

 

[lawvsmed]

Yes, if you are a California resident then you will be preferred by California schools. Your school does not play a role in determining your residency.

Btw, in case it wasnt obvious, I meant if I attend an out of state undergrad, would I still be preferred by California Dental Schools if I am technically a California resident still.

 

[cwoodds]

Btw, in case it wasnt obvious, I meant if I attend an out of state undergrad, would I still be preferred by California Dental Schools if I am technically a California resident still.

Yes, kejs is correct, as long as you are still a California resident that's what matters, not where you are going to school. Based on the links that PointEstimate provided (assuming CA schools have similar policies), you may be asked to 'prove' that you are a California resident for tuition purposes, but I wouldn't think that would come into play during the selection process.

 

[RU1992]

Haha @PointEstimate I don't want to argue. I'm just curious how this would work and I'm going to make it a point to ask this question at each of my interviews. Cost is one of the biggest factor for me when choosing a school, so becoming a resident after one year would be a huge turn of events in either direction (whether it is allowed or not allowed). So what you're saying is that those two schools make it difficult to get in state tuition, while the other schools aren't as difficult? Just trying to clarify.

And @calid, I would get a part time job during dental school so I'm paying taxes and would make sure to get a license in that state. I just wouldn't have a car necessarily, but I'm sure there are people in the state that don't have cars. The age factor I wouldn't know how to bypass though :/

 

[Bis-GMA111]

Are you sure about that? Don't schools want students to come there, so thus, they will make an effort to have in state tuition for those students who get an off campus apartment? I was under the impression that most schools would allow students to become in state as long as they had paid one year out of state tuition.

not at all dude..why would a state school want an OOS to be claimed as an in state resident as soon as possible when they can get the extra money for OOS tuition?

remember, when a state institution admits an OOS resident, they have to justify picking that person over an in state resident who pays taxes in that state.

i mean yeah, you would have to wait at least a year in the more lenient states, but no state certainly "makes an effort" to ensure in state residency for OOS. there aren't many states that do that (from what i've read and researched)

 

[RU1992]

I understand that they don't go out of their way to make sure that person pays in state tuition, haha. That would be absurd. But in general, I figure if a student stays off campus for a year that they can then claim in state for the second year? That's comparing it to a student who lives in the university's dorms for a year, that person would remain out of state since they actually are not a resident of that state. This is a huge topic for me, I guess the best bet would be to ask the school at the interview?

 

[PointEstimate]

@ RU1992 -

You should definitely ask to know the policy at the schools you are interested in. Those are two OOS schools that I am considering, so I didnt bother looking up other ones. I went to graduate school at Michigan for 2 years (living off campus for that time) and had to pay out of state for two years. It's a hard case to make that you are "in-state" when the primary reason you came to the state in the first place is for school. A lot of in-state status has to do with making sure that the state's investment in your education stays in that state (that's why, for example, married couples where one is working in that state is one way to petition for in state status - see OSU for other examples). I have a hard time seeing living in an apartment as some reasonable way of demonstrating residency.

The point I was trying to make is that as an out of state student, you are an individual that brings the school a little more money than an in-state student and, with public funding tight, you help the school weather the storm by paying more. See what they are doing at UC Berkeley as an example. I can't imagine state schools who are seeing their state funding slashed making it easier for someone to pay less as the school has to tighten its belt.

 

[doc toothache]

Ohio is the only school with a notation of: "Nonresident students are eligible to apply for residency after their first year."
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=941500

 

[RU1992]

@PointEstimate: I guess you're right. I'm going to ask the question at each school I interview at and see what they have to say.

@Doc: Do you know of any other schools where becoming a resident isn't 'difficult' after the first year? I know the University of Kentucky clearly states on their website "it is very difficult for an out of state student to claim residency in Kentucky for education".

 

[Bis-GMA111]

Ohio is the only school with a notation of: "Nonresident students are eligible to apply for residency after their first year."
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=941500

nevada has a policy where you can declare in state after 1 year

 

[Changedude21]

I know for undergrad, you can't claim residency if you moved to a state to go to school. Why would the ADEA guide list 4 years of OOS tuition if you're in-state after the first year? It would be great for me if this is the case (we don't have a dental school in my state and WICHE funds are limited to about 10 students/year), I just have my doubts.

I have a friend that received in state tuition after one year at Maryland. So, it definitely is possible, but I don't know if a lot of schools do it or not.

 

[goffdent]

Many schools (not all) DON'T allow you to claim in-state tuition even if you have been there for a year and own a house etc... Many state that if you are attending our state for "THE PURPOSE OF EDUCATION, then you will remain (out of state) as far as tuition price is concerned.

 

[sacapuntas]

Many schools (not all) DON'T allow you to claim in-state tuition even if you have been there for a year and own a house etc... Many state that if you are attending our state for "THE PURPOSE OF EDUCATION, then you will remain (out of state) as far as tuition price is concerned.

Do you have any idea how a spouse that is working in the new state affects this OOS designation?